Unreleased Prototype Pokemon

[jojo12100]

Great news everyone there is a project about Pokemon green prototype "recreation".

However this is just a ROM-hack (base on assets dumped from the ROM according to @theSLAYER) so beware.

Having the real prototype ROM would have been much more interesting however I won't complain about people working on it.

 

 

Red_Green_Blue_Prototype_Assets(2).zip

[theSLAYER]

17 minutes ago, jojo12100 said:

Great news everyone there is a project about Pokemon green prototype "recreation".

However this is just a ROM-hack (base on assets dumped from the ROM according to @theSLAYER) so beware.

Having the real prototype ROM would have been much more interesting however I won't complain about people working on it.

 

 

Red_Green_Blue_Prototype_Assets(2).zip

To be precise, I was just summarizing the info helix chamber mentioned.
They found a donor who originally wanted to provide their group with the prototype,
and they asked for dumped assets as proof. They got maps and sprites (tho the front sprites for the proto-mons were missing, even though the back sprites were included)
Eventually they stopped receiving a reply regarding it, so they decided to move ahead and create a rom hack with all the dumped assets they've gotten.

I would link to their site, but there could be a ROM lurking somewhere on their site (or eventually they'll upload one),
so I'm not gonna link it here. (If need be, I could provide screenshots, tho)

[jojo12100]

10 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

To be precise, I was just summarizing the info helix chamber mentioned.
They found a donor who originally wanted to provide their group with the prototype,
and they asked for dumped assets as proof. They got maps and sprites (tho the front sprites for the proto-mons were missing, even though the back sprites were included)
Eventually they stopped receiving a reply regarding it, so they decided to move ahead and create a rom hack with all the dumped assets they've gotten.

I would link to their site, but there could be a ROM lurking somewhere on their site (or eventually they'll upload one),
so I'm not gonna link it here. (If need be, I could provide screenshots, tho)

Such a missed opportunity. I noticed many interesting things in the few datas published, will list them later (Marowak-Kangaskhan theory was right wrong for example, some Pokemon at some weird locations ...).

[theSLAYER]

Yeah too bad they never gotten it
Also, if the dumps were true, Baby Ponyta, Baby Goldeen, Baby Vulpix, and the Raitora lines were in it too!
It's kinda sad they got scrapped from not just Gen 2, but also Gen 1

[SwagKey]

A German demo of Pokemon Silver was released a few days ago, but it's not too interesting. It has the exact same start as the final and blocks you off before you get to Violet City.

What is nice is that you can save in the demo...but it always locks the Continue option off so save states and walk through walls are the only way to progress. At least the save file loads in PKHeX with no issues for extraction. I guess you COULD try to get stuff in the demo, but it wouldn't count for much.

[jojo12100]

On 4/4/2019 at 3:28 AM, SwagKey said:

A German demo of Pokemon Silver was released a few days ago, but it's not too interesting. It has the exact same start as the final and blocks you off before you get to Violet City.

What is nice is that you can save in the demo...but it always locks the Continue option off so save states and walk through walls are the only way to progress. At least the save file loads in PKHeX with no issues for extraction. I guess you COULD try to get stuff in the demo, but it wouldn't count for much.

Will try my best, sorry I mostly focus on Go underleved for the moment but I mostly got them all (except very rare ones and egg exclusives).

[jojo12100]

Good news everyone today we got a debug Diamond version.

Unfortunately apart the starters which are already contributed in the site somewhere else nothing interesting (in my opinion).

 

Will share in public the XD Extra Shadow discovery in order to enlight it and maybe find someone to purify that Shadow Loudred.

[jojo12100]

So thanks to @theSLAYER I was able to correctly import Shadow Loudred however when I tried to purify it it lost all its move and the same occured for the shadow Carvanha found in the same box.

Our theory is that there must be a shadow list somewhere in the ROM that gives the moves to the shadow Pokemon.

Finding that list can teach us how does it work in XD and maybe finally find the original attacks of that Shadow Loudred and Carvanha (if they exist in that final list or if we find a beta list somewhere else; note that we could find other beta/cut shadow pokemon in the process).

Any idea or any XD specialist?

[SwagKey]

Found twelve more Pokemon in the Japanese Diamond debug.

Two options in one of the debug menus place six predetermined Pokemon in Pal Park to capture. Each have a PID of all zeros with a Hardy Nature, IVs and EVs are all zeros, and the OT name is blanked out which errors out the game if they are viewed at all. ID and Secret ID may be random but I didn't test much on that.

Anyways, here they are:

001 - フシギダネ - 898A00000000.pk4 006 - リザードン - 02E500000000.pk4 035 - ピッピ - 9CFF00000000.pk4 072 - メノクラゲ - 31FD00000000.pk4 128 - ケンタロス - 232600000000.pk4 148 - ハクリュー - 372400000000.pk4 007 - ゼニガメ - 185400000000.pk4 008 - カメール - 5A8900000000.pk4 010 - キャタピー - CB7900000000.pk4 015 - スピアー - 902700000000.pk4 027 - サンド - DF9500000000.pk4 027 - サンド - F40700000000.pk4

[jojo12100]

NIce @SwagKey

I tested SwSh demo recently in Japan Expo and noticed very interesting things,

the fact that the Pokemon came from Route 1 first meaning they didn't want to reveal the start place or it's the place you receive your starter,

the Fairy Dynamax that puts the Misty Terrain,

the date put into the pokemon 1st June 2019 is very interesting too as it's surely the build date,

apart that I have mixed feelings about it, lots of lags, cheap supporters, not very convincing water effects, awesome music,

about the dynamax mechanic the strategy will be to temporize it with Detect, Protect or any bulky Pokemon,

I easily beat the gym leader like that,

hope they'll release the demo in the E-shop later in order to study it.

[jojo12100]

In terms of investigations I noticed this mention in TCRF:

"Pokémon: Let's Go! Pikachu & Let's Go! Eevee has unused data for held items and double wild battles."

but also

The Pokémon Stadium games have more debug features, or at least debug leftovers.

 

Plus, I'll focus soon about XD shadow moves list but I want to investigate about the unused Dragonite (based upon its catch rate change) in Yellow and the Unused Pokémon Flight in Gold/Silver.

[theSLAYER]

6 minutes ago, jojo12100 said:

"Pokémon: Let's Go! Pikachu & Let's Go! Eevee has unused data for held items and double wild battles."

Whats the direct link for this? The link in the page doesn't direct to what you said.

[jojo12100]

Here's the link, apparently the note was from a certain SodaDog on July 9th 11:50

[SwagKey]

I found another Pokemon in the Japanese Diamond Debug...but it's impossible to acquire without some memory extraction.

There's an option in one of the debug menus that tests the deliveryman for events which just so happens to place him in the marts with every event item available, including the unreleased Azure Flute...plus some sort of Pokemon. You must have an extra slot in your party to acquire it, but once you do so the game crashes. Not even pressing the combination to bypass these sort of crashes works and leaves you stuck at the screen, forcing a reset to before you acquired it.

I have no idea what delivered Pokemon is behind that crash, but I can't get it.

[theSLAYER]

16 hours ago, SwagKey said:

I found another Pokemon in the Japanese Diamond Debug...but it's impossible to acquire without some memory extraction.

There's an option in one of the debug menus that tests the deliveryman for events which just so happens to place him in the marts with every event item available, including the unreleased Azure Flute...plus some sort of Pokemon. You must have an extra slot in your party to acquire it, but once you do so the game crashes. Not even pressing the combination to bypass these sort of crashes works and leaves you stuck at the screen, forcing a reset to before you acquired it.

I have no idea what delivered Pokemon is behind that crash, but I can't get it.

What is the option? I may be able to get it done.

edit: I used the deliveryman option, and nothing happened.

[SwagKey]

13 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

What is the option? I may be able to get it done.

edit: I used the deliveryman option, and nothing happened.

[theSLAYER]

edit: Took me a while to find it. It was field debug (overworld R+X buttons) > Ono (IIRC option is all the way at the bottom) > Delivery debug (second option from top).

In any case, here's a save with the mons right before they're collected.
When collected on a final DP game, what is received is a 2x Bad Eggs and 1 Manaphy egg.)

Based on my tests, the corrupted eggs are the reason why debug DP crashes.
When I remove those 2 wonder cards, the Manaphy egg that followed right after was able to be redeemed.

Here's a save from before the 3x eggs were collected. The debug wondercards can also be seen using PKHeX.
debug wondercards.sav

(I loaded a Complete Dex Save into the debug game, then used the debug menu to get the deliveryman, then saved into it)

[jojo12100]

10 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

edit: Took me a while to find it. It was field debug (overworld R+X buttons) > Ono (IIRC option is all the way at the bottom) > Delivery debug (second option from top).

In any case, here's a save with the mons right before they're collected.
When collected on a final DP game, what is received is a 2x Bad Eggs and 1 Manaphy egg.)

Based on my tests, the corrupted eggs are the reason why debug DP crashes.
When I remove those 2 wonder cards, the Manaphy egg that followed right after was able to be redeemed.

Here's a save from before the 3x eggs were collected. The debug wondercards can also be seen using PKHeX.
debug wondercards.sav

(I loaded a Complete Dex Save into the debug game, then used the debug menu to get the deliveryman, then saved into it)

I think the bad eggs issue is the same as the German Ruby Debug version.

We have to find the correct PID in order to make them work.

I have no idea on how to do it however as I didn't resolve the first issue.

 

Edit: MysteryGiftEditor gives me a Zubat but with a lot of datas missing.

[theSLAYER]

3 hours ago, jojo12100 said:

Edit: MysteryGiftEditor gives me a Zubat but with a lot of datas missing.

The first thing I did last night, was to change the options and see what data was possible (like how decchi's Azure Card could distribute Pokémon when gift type was changed)

Presently, I would be more inclined to believe that it was a real Pokémon gift, if the file had any semblance of Pokémon data.
It has messed up moves, messed up OT, and messed up TID/SID assigned to it. Every other field looks like junk data.
Frankly, I think the species data is also just junk data; the MysteryGiftEditor shows it's Zubat cause the junk data in that offset happens to coincide with a possible species ID.

Our situation is unlike the bad eggs obtained from Debug Ruby version, where the game actually gave you a pk3. pk3's in the save are actually encrypted.
Without the correct PID to decrypt it, the game would see it as a bad egg.

However, AFAIK pcd/pgt are not encrypted, so your "solution" does not apply here.
I believe that the reason we receive bad eggs, is because the pgt data is junk, and the bad eggs were merely following the structure dictated in the pgt.

I think the pgts are still worth archiving, just that I am not sure we can do anything more with them

[jojo12100]

I learned today that a proto-Pokemon Colosseum was planned for Nintendo 64DD in 1999 developped by GF itself called Pocket Monsters RPG.

It was probably scrapped not only because of Masuda opinions about the franchise that should stay portable but also probably because of GS delay.

I first thought it was about Pokemon Stadium but apparently Miyamoto stated they were 3 64 games planned during an interview (which I really want to find now).

 

Edit: Found something( original and translated ) and it's way more interesting than all I was expecting!

Edit 2: According to IGN Stadium was planned to have a 64DD update, probably the difference betwen the first Japanese release and the International one?

[jojo12100]

I come back for two news I recently got:

-first the discovery of a new debug mode for Stadium 2 which includes a Pokemon editor with a legality check. The Odd Egg events failed. It could be interesting to see if it's the case for other gen2 event pokemon or even find the legality list somewhere in the ROM.

-second I recently learned that in European FireRed manual guide there is a picture of a Charmander not from Pallet Town (probably used by the debuggers). Can anyone scan it here please?

[Knoxyz]

On 1/20/2017 at 12:50 PM, jojo12100 said:

Hi, today we begin this huge thread which collect of the other thread I opened about demo, prototype, bug, unused, unreleased Pokemon.

The aim is to collect them all.

What we did:

-Unused trade pokemon in gen 1 Here SUCCESS

-Debugger Pokemon in gen 1 Here SUCCESS

-Bug Contest Unused Slot Venomoth in gen2 Here SUCCESS

-Hidden Event Pokemon in gen3 Here SUCCESS

-Altering Cave Pokemon in Gen3 SUCCESS

-XD Salamence, Bonsly, Mew SUCCESS

-Battle Pyramid and Pike Pokemon Here SUCCESS

-Demo Kiosk Pokemon in Gen 4 Here SUCCESS

-Azure Flute via Pokemon Ranger Prototype in gen 4 Here SUCCESS

-FunFiesta exclusive mission Pokemon in gen5 Here FAILED

-Prototype Wondercard in Distro Rom (Bulbasaur done,Litwick done) SUCCESS

-ORAS Demo Pokemon in gen 6 ALMOST DONE

-Ghost Marowak in Gen1 and Gen3  HERE SUCCESS

-Ghetis Kyurem in gen 5 SUCCESS

-Japanese Exclusive Pokewalker Pokemon (x18) SUCCESS thanks to @HaxAras and @suloku

-Pokemon Sun/Moon uncatchables (totem, allies, demo ...) ! Here SUCCESS thanks to @thaleskpl @theSLAYER and me

-Wailord beta test in gen4 SUCCESS   thanks to @BlackShark

-Extra Shadow Pokemon in Colosseum Here FAILED

-X D Beta starters and beta pokestop geodude SUCCESS thanks to @StarsMmd

-Japanese Crystal Debuggers pokemon SUCCESS

-Tuto Catch Pokemon SUCCESS thanks to @BlackShark

-Pokestar Pokemon in B2W2 HERE  ALMOST DONE

-Main Battle Debuggers Pokemon in Stadium2 Here SUCCESS thanks to @BlackShark

-DP IV Ally Pokemon SUCCESS

-RFLG TV Teachy Pokemon SUCCESS

-GSC Carrie's and Cal's Pokemon SUCCESS

-Debug Battle Rhydon SUCCESS

-Stadium 1 and 2 Rentals thanks to @SwagKey SUCCESS

-Yellow Bug Town Pokemon SUCCESS

- Beta E-card SUCCESS

-Battle Revolution Rental Pokemon thanks to @BlackShark  SUCCESS

-Unused Roaming Darkrai thanks to @Aurum  SUCCESS

-XY Unused Static Encounters thanks to @Cstylzzz  SUCCESS

-Crystal Cavern Glitch Pokemon SUCCESS

-German Debug Treecko thanks to @BlackShark SUCCESS

-WCS17 QR Rental Teams thanks to @Holla!  SUCCESS

-SM Unused Static Pikachu thanks to @Cstylzzz  SUCCESS

-Glitch Gen1 Trades ALMOST DONE

-SM Illegal Kommo-o and Shuckle thanks to @Ruby Genseki SUCCESS

-USUM Morimoto and Iwao Pokemon thanks to @BlackShark  SUCCESS

-Test Pidove Wondercard thanks to @Sabresite  SUCCESS

-USUM Uncatchables thanks to @Ruby Genseki SUCCESS

-GSC Safari Beta Zone Pokemon SUCCESS

-Unused Entei Script SUCCESS

-XD Bingo Pokemon IN PROGRESS

-Shiny Trainers Pokemon thanks to @SwagKey SUCCESS

-XD Demo Pokemon SUCCESS

-Colosseum Demo Pokemon thanks to @BlackShark SUCCESS

-Unused Pelago Pokemon thanks to @Ruby Genseki @Poke J and me SUCCESS

-Zeraora from Battle Video SUCCESS

 

What we found: XY (with 6 pokemon); BW (with 5 pokemon); Ruby/Saphir; FireRed/LeafGreen; Emerald demos are still unavaible. Maybe one day?

 

Unrelased Proto Pokemon(07-05).rar 99.96 kB · 407 downloads

Any news about this or the XY Demo?

[jojo12100]

11 hours ago, Knoxyz said:

Any news about this or the XY Demo?

Not at my knoweldge,

Nintendo seems to be more concerned with the demo recently but not retroactively.

I visited 2 months ago the french national video game conservatory and unfortunately they don't have any of them too.

I should however ask them again for FireRed manuel guide if nobody have it now.

Whereas I think we'll get one day RS/FRLG/BW demos because they were in cardriges and collectors will get them one day I'm not very confident for XY demo as it was a downloaded programm.

 

But if you want to investigate you're welcome,

I really miss time to do more sorry.

[Poke J]

On 8/18/2019 at 2:06 PM, jojo12100 said:

I come back for two news I recently got:

-first the discovery of a new debug mode for Stadium 2 which includes a Pokemon editor with a legality check. The Odd Egg events failed. It could be interesting to see if it's the case for other gen2 event pokemon or even find the legality list somewhere in the ROM.

-second I recently learned that in European FireRed manual guide there is a picture of a Charmander not from Pallet Town (probably used by the debuggers). Can anyone scan it here please?

The picture of the Charmander isn't only in the European FireRed manual and is also in the North American manual.

Spoiler

My scanner is really bad so this is the information of the Charmander is as followed:

Nature: Serious

Met Location: Viridian City

Met Level: 5

OT: RED

ID: 40060

 Current Level: 13

In the LeafGreen manual the picture is replaced with a legal looking Bulbasaur.  I've also took the liberty to check all of the instruction manuals for gens 3, 4, and 5 and this is the only potential debug Pokemon that I could find.

[jojo12100]

@Poke J I'm pretty sure we'll find other evidences like this in future. Just remember debug Emerald Relicanth. Thank you so much for your scan.

Anyway I also asked ChickasaurusGL to investigate about Stadium 2 new debugger menu especially the legality checker inside it.

So much secrets still hiding it's really exciting ^^