Silent Storm

Basic offensive combinations supported by bulky waters with good prediction should be able to take down most of his team, ScarfZone + Salamence with Vaporeon comes to mind here (totally unresisted type coverage and great support if you get what mean). Next I would get a ghost type, preferably Dusknoir to soak up predicted Earthquakes and Lucario hits (cause from the looks of things I doubt his Lucario will be using dark moves. Next get stuff that soak up physical attacks, the things that come to mind are Porygon2, who can paralyze the pokemon. Nearly all of his team is outsped and killed by Infernape, due to the slow attackers, Infernape (MixApe or SD Ape) KOs Gyarados (Stone Edge or Thunderpunch) Salamence (Stone Edge or Hidden Power Ice) Arcanine (Stone Edge) Manectric (Stone Edge), the only thing that would out speed him is Lucario who is frail and can open him up to McGar. Though you can ignore everything I just said and rely on Stealth Rock and prediction, it shouldn't be hard, with what he is using, Stealth Rock as well as the top OU pokemon (Heatran, Salamence, Scizor etc) give you an idea on why teams like his do not work.

Thanks. Sorry but it is your fault, choice items are risky business anyways, using a full team of choice items would open you up to set up sweepers that only need one turn to decimate you as you an only use one move when holding the item. Choice items are balanced as it increases an attack or speed stat in exchange for using multiple items, you as well as Eon-Rider have implied they are imbalanced because you couldn't predict around it, hence why I said its you that is the problem here.

Go right ahead, I will then predict with ease, set up one turn and them sweep your team. If you lost to a team with all choice pokemon then it is your fault, not the items.

Eh what? You are better of using this line up. Metagross (Lead) Gyarados Lucario Salamence Infernape Jolteon Try that line up, not as effect cause you guys are playing no legends. =/

^ OK, so from the good rates I have gotten so far: DDSalamence Machamp Kingdra Lucario Infernape Breloom Spikes/Toxic Spikes Harm my team, to help with DDSalamence (sorta) and Toxic/Spikes Donphan would help over Starmie due to him having Ice Shard and Rapid Spin or I could go with a spin blocker. To help with Infernape Vaporeon can stay, still considering Ice Beam but I want to do something to Gyarados. I am stuck on the rest.

So far I am liking the rates here. That is true, Swampert can be especially annoying this team. I was thinking of adding Celebi somewhere on here as I have generally had great success with him, I was also thinking of ditching Starmie and Rhyperior for Mamo and somebody else.

Me too. Four letovers are not banned.

Well....not really much to say other than that is half true, around the time Rhyperior was popular I wanted to make a team based around it, after some searching I came to that thread, took some of its line up and made some adjustments that fit my liking.Replaced Slowbro with Vaporeon (I read the rates now only to find out Vaporeon was suggested) as I wanted recovery. I replaced Blissey with Salamence, preferably the wall breaker set (4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Naive with Outrage / Brick Break / Fire blast / Draco Meteor) as I hated Blissey from the start, then switched to Blastioise cause someone suggested I use a Rapid Spinner plus I wanted to give Blastoise a try, then someone suggested I use Starmie, again I never paid attention to the rates there so I didn't know Starmie was also suggested. After I replaced Scizor with Lucario cause I was using Scizor on every other team, then switched back to him using the SD set with Brick Break over Superpower and roost over X-Scissors as I don't like choice items/superpower was not appealing to mee plus I wanted Scizor to have recovery, again I never paid atention to most of the rates so I didn't know SD Scizor was suggested. And on the topic of Rhyperior, the set I am using is a set I saw somewhere on Smogon that I liked because of the speed boost. Thanks for posting though as I have been meaning to revamp this team some more getting rid of some members and replacing them ( Rhyperior with LO Mamoswine as well as adding Ice Beam on Vaporeon and then using CB Scizor with U-Turn) I will look into those Pokemon that hurt this team and find effective checks for them.

Those are not big weaknesses. That is true but 90% of the time Zapdos is not taken down so easily thanks to roost and leftovers, and even if Zapdos is taken down I can play around those threats. Lucario is frail so priority should deal with him, most Heracross are choice banded so i can predict around him and force him out same goes with Breloom, predict around him thanks to Natural Cure Starmie. Skarmory's EQ immunity is not irrelevant here as Skarmory is eaily taken down by Zapdos of Starmie. The counter mentality annoyes me, countering became redundant during the trantition from DP to Platinum, so my way of dealing with Machamp is to take full advantage of his medicore speed, by this I mean he is very easily revenge killed by faster opponents. The only thing Abomasnow ruins is sandstorm, which itself comes back as Hippowodon is not taken down early in the game, but when things get tough, Scizor who resist Abomasnow ruins him with Bullet Puinch and/or U-Turn if I decide to go with Choice Band or add U-Turn over something on the Swords Dance set. Yet I am not going to be keeping Scizor in on Heatran or any other non-physical fire type as that is suicide. On the topic of Superpower over Brick Break, that itself will not happen, as Superpower despite being a very powerful move imo ruins the whole point of the Swords Dance set, Brick Break being the weaker move is still powerful after a boost and can break dual screens (Ligth Screen + Reflect) imo that is more useful than sacrificing a power boost which is the case with Superpower. On the topic of Roost < X-Scissors - you have a point but even then I am not convinced , I would much rather use an atack with the same typing (U-Turn) which can help with scouting (seeing what my opponent will play if he switches in) thus minimizing the risk of switching into a move that could kill my check for the opposing Pokemon. But roost is still goo here as in increases my Pokemon's survivibility thus increasing the amount of time Scizor has of sweeping/dealing heavy damage. I should have made it more clear that this is a Rhyperiror team. The way this team works is by using Pokemon that help eliminate Rhyperior's counters/usual switch ins so by the time Rhyperior comes out he is able to set up Sub reliably and and proceed to clean up whatever mess is left late game, as it is not practical to reveal him early game. After subbing, the speed boost he will get from Rock Polish + the Special defense boost from Sandstorm + Solid Rock + he already great attack with Leftovers should make it so that he is extremly hard to take down. Timid Heatran's Earth Power is a 3HKO. Zapdos Hidden Power Ice won't 2HKO Rhyperior. Blissey's Ice Beam won't break the Substitute. Bronzong and Forretress's Gyro Ball won't break the Substitute. Cresselia can only break it with Grass Knot. Physical Jirachi that lack Iron Head are walled by this beast. Salamence Earthquake is a 2HKO at best. Scizor won't OHKO with Bullet Punch. Gliscor Earthquake won't 2HKO. But I am liking Mamoswine being here, as an alternative I will make a team with some heavy changes to this team making it more Sandstorm-like. Thanks for posting, I will consider Ice Beam on Vaporeon and maybe add Psychic somewhere on Starmie.

Demonic Storm Wifi and Shoddy team. OK my friends, I get this wacky idea in my head to build one of my first ever weather based teams, when my brain is scrambling on what kind of deck I create based on weather, and I narrowed it down to two things: Rain Dance Sandstorm Rain Dance has its benefits of me being able to out speed most things and kill while boosting the power of water while sandstorm is kinda a stallish weather condition with the ability to screw up focus sash and boost special defense, now I have made a rain dance team but I like sandstorm teams more because of sandstorm hitting stuff not rock and ground, and setting up rocks is easier in my opinion. Demonic Line up OK so here is the line up for this team, as you can like most teams nowadays this is comprised of mainly OU titans and support Pokemon, unoriginal (for some Serebii members standards, they know who they are >=]) but still awesome when they get the ball rolling, this is by far the best team I have as it is bulky and strong, speed is lacking here but that is to be expected when creating teams like these. In-depth look Hippowdon @ Leftovers Ability: Sandstream Nature: Impish (+ Defense, - Special Attack) EVs: 236 HP | 24 Attack | 192 Defense | 58 Special Defense Earthquake Stealth Rock Ice Fang Slack Off ....................... Comments & Suggestions: OK my peeps, I start the game out with Hippowdon, my past experience tells me that Hippo is an effective lead and can set up Stealth Rock and Sandstorm reliably which is crucial to this kind of team as this negates the effects of Focus Sash, Leftovers and turns many 3 hits into 2 hits. Hippo also helps against Tyranitar and physical hits, with Scizor down Tyranitar can be a major pain in the backside, so with Hippo around, I am able to take down Tyranitar effectively as well as take hits for the team. Ice fang seems out of place here but at least it helps with Flygon and Salamence who is already being worn down by Sandstream and Stealth Rock. Zapdos @ Leftovers Ability: Pressure Nature: Timid (+ Speed, - Attack) EVs: 252 HP | 80 Special Attack | 176 Speed Thunderbolt Heat Wave Roost Hidden Power [Grass] ....................... Comments & Suggestions: Zapdos is one the most vital members of my team and probably the Pokemon I can rely on, being the main counter to most counters here helps alot. Since I don't RS, Zapdos along with Salamence are my Stealth Rock weak Pokemon though this is taken care of by Roost. Zapdos also acts as my Phazer since my team is otherwise set up bait. To further display the power of this guy I have compiled a list of stuff that die to him: Lucario Heracross Bronzong Celebi Breloom Torterra Skarmory Forretress If it wasn't for Zapdos, I'd probably have difficulty taking down the these titans. Scizor @ Life Orb Ability: Technician Nature: Adamant (+ Attack, - Special Attack) EVs: 252 HP | 252 Attack | 4 Speed Bullet Punch Brick Break / Quick Attack Roost Swords Dance ....................... Comments & Suggestions: Scraped CBzor for SDzor. Apart from Rhyperior who is not even that much of a set up Pokemon, I lacked many set up pokemon, I had CBzor as I believe revenge killing with him was best but in the end I just scraped the whole idea as I never really like thay Pokemon to begin with. The basic idea here is for me to set up as quickly as possible so I can do significant damage to my opponent, Brick Break helps agaisn't screeners that could hurt me while Bullet Punch helps with Tyranitar, originally I had 244 speed EVs here but becaise I was never really interested with out speeding Tyranitar (Bullet Punch still hits him first) I moved all those EVs to HP as the EVs Smogon suggests is only there if you don't have Bullet Punch. Vaporeon @ Leftovers Ability: Water Absorb Nature: Bold (+ Defense - Attack) EVs: 252 HP | 252 Defense | 4 Speed Protect Hidden Power [Electric] Surf Wish ....................... Comments & Suggestions: Lost a big paragraph here. =/ Short and sweet, Vaporeon acts as a team healer, while dealing with Gyarados and Infernape both who are hurt by Sandstream and Stealth Rock Starmie @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Cure Nature: Timid (+ Speed, - Attack) EVs: 136 HP | 156 Def | 216 Speed Thunderbolt Surf Recover Rapid Spin ....................... Comments & Suggestions: This is something d2m suggested for me to help against MixApe and Gyarados but after more testing and research I have discovered he helps against Toxic Spikes + Spikes - which are normally seen on Stall teams that would give me some problems, Rapid Spin would get rid of entry hazards which helps Rhy sweep. Also Starie adds a bit more speed to this team as well as status absorbing thanks to Natural Cure. Rhyperior @ Liechi Berry Ability: Solid Rock Nature: Adamant (+ Attack, - Special Attack) EVs: 4 HP | 252 Attack | 252 Speed Substitute Rock Polish Stone Edge Earthquake ....................... Comments & Suggestions: At the end now, I here we have the star of the show, Rhyperior. I was browsing on Smogon, where I found someone promoting the use of Substitute Rhyperior. Now I have been a fan of Rhy ever since I got a glimpse of the new evolutions in 4th gen around 2007, also there was some hype around him early DP. Basically how he works is that you use Sandstream + Solid Rock + Substitute as a defensive for him so you can set up up Swords Dance and sweep, the set I have here works a little different, near the end I use my berry to power up Rhy while having blasting speed, the thing the old version suffered from was speed, though he was protected by Sandstorm and Solid Rock, this set remedies his speed problems while giving him decent attack, which is much more scary than having good attack buy poor speed.

This has probably been brought up before but I would just like to say: That there needs to be a Rate My Team sub forum in Competitive Battling main forum, having a single thread for posting teams makes things messy and inconvenient, having a dedicated forum for posting rate my team threads would remedy this. If such a thing is considered then I would recommend these rules. Unless stated your team must consist of 6 pokemon, 1 from a different species (now more than one lucario per team for example). There should be no ubers in your team unless you are posting a uber tier team. Teams must follow this format: Pokemon @ Items Ability Nature EVs Moveset - Moveset 1 - Moveset 2 - Moveset 3 - Moveset 4 When posting your rmt thread have some actual words to say about your choices, what they do for your team and why they do it, one line sentances does not help the rater get an idea on why you chose your members. Have a strategy for your team, posting 6 random OU or any other tier Pokemon does not get you anywhere, if it is an offensive team, tell us why it is an offensive team, is it bulky offense? Avoid posting the same old repetitive team you posted before. Something along those lines would improve the quality of the comepetive battling forum and make things more organized.

Eh not be be an ass or anything but this is just really a shoddy log with sprites, warstories has more than that. To give you an idea on what is a good warstory check this out. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49780 (no Rate my Team forum )

Can't right now (on Wii) but the thread where I saw the post was named "changes to 4th gen battling" or something like that in the 4th Gen WiFi Center there.

Actually, right now Serebii follows Smogon, a Mod said that their attempt at a list around the DP Era failed because of a bias against OU titans such as Blissey, Salamence, Tyranitar and friends plys no meaningful disscusion came from it.

In terms of tier lists and stuff, I can help this community construct one.

What I think should be added are the three main battle styles, them being Offensive, Stall and Balanced.

You mean spin blockers?

Anything below uber is usable, if people get uppy about you using them tell them to stuff it. :grog:

No legendaries = No legendary Pokemon that are caught in game if you know what i mean. Ubers - Pokemon too powerful for OU play, some of them are Pokemon that are not legendary (Wobbafett) while some Legendaries (like Jirachi, Celebi) are not Ubers and are thus allowed in standard play. ^ Normally no Ubers is a common rule used in the competitive evironment, no Legends are used mostly by people: - Think the games should rsemble the anime. =/ - Think that all Legendaries are cheap/legendaries = Ubers. =/

Suicide leads only exist so they can set up Stealth Rock or something like and die, anti leads are there so they deal with common leads in the current metagame like suicide leads. Suicide leads are best know for having focus sash ensuring that they lay done stealth rock Common lead would be Azelf having stealth rock explosion, filler moves and focus sahs with max speed IVs and EVs. The common anti lead would be an Infernape with Fake Out, which deals with suicide leads (kills sash).

Updated the credits , I am also planning on adding some more stuff if I find them useful.

For an Hidden Power guide, this site is more useful especially for savers http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/OnlineProgram/Calculators/HiddenPower.aspx

- Greencat @ 12:34 PM Thank you for contributing Silent Storm! Your guide was so great, it had two in one. I went ahead and reposted it in two forms. You have been credited and mark up was added. Thanks again. http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?p=6773 http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?p=6782 I will now lock this thread and everyone can fallow the links above.

The whole thing was a lie until some countdown was revealed. I think around the time the site renovating, so they lied about (don't know why, maybe it was just a reason to take down the old site, all events were still downloadable though at the time, fun memories lol).

What we would need is dedicated raters as well, I will be one.