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Rain teams are indeed a nightmare, but you shouldn't be having too much difficulty if you're running thunderus, as there aren't many rain based water pokes that can outspeed him. And starmie should be doing a dandy job, Starmie works well against any rain teams, and with rapid spin starmie's also stopping you from being beaten by random rain stall. However, the number one rain killer is Rotom-Wash. So if you are really struggling then that might be something for you to consider. Ferrothorn is kinda cool for taking out water pokes, but I'm not sure if you still have him on team, but most bulky waters have now figured how to get around thorn (Jellicent = Will-o-wisp + Taunt, Slowbro = Flamethrower, Starmie = HP Fire) Just try out a bunch of different stuff, but I don't see a crippling water weakness on your team (at least not on paper) what are the specific problematic pokes?

Rain teams are indeed a nightmare, but you shouldn't be having too much difficulty if you're running thunderus, as there aren't many rain based water pokes that can outspeed him. And starmie should be doing a dandy job, Starmie works well against any rain teams, and with rapid spin starmie's also stopping you from being beaten by random rain stall. However, the number one rain killer is Rotom-Wash. So if you are really struggling then that might be something for you to consider. Ferrothorn is kinda cool for taking out water pokes, but I'm not sure if you still have him on team, but most bulky waters have now figured how to get around thorn (Jellicent = Will-o-wisp + Taunt, Slowbro = Flamethrower, Starmie = HP Fire) Just try out a bunch of different stuff, but I don't see a crippling water weakness on your team (at least not on paper) what are the specific problematic pokes?

Quickly going over your threat list: Rotom lost its ghost typing so don't expect kills from shadow ball. LO Adamant Excadrill can net 2HKOs on Skarm after SR damage, so watch out for that. What's more, Excadrill fears nothing from chansey thus giving him prime opportunity to switch in get the free plus two and start doing cruel things. Whilst you can wind him, you know flinch hax happens at the worst of times . In saying that LO adamant is then susceptible to Gliscor. (again, not sure if he can outright switch in on a +2 Rockslide if toxic orb isn't activated) However... this leads me to my next point, Having skarm and gliscor together, to me, seems like a waste when they pretty much do they same job. Gliscor + Jirachi seems to be the way forward here, and then you could even forego the use of chansey. Rotom-W + Gliscor + Jirachi is beast of a core, I feel that should be where you should go from here. It'd work really nice with Heatran + scizor, in any case. Not only that but you are going to definitely need paralysis support if you're going to try and pull off a mew sweep, failing that, wobbuffet for snaring choice scarfers. Though then with all the steel here you're pretty magnezone weak, and zone will only need to take out Jirachi/skarmory + Scizor to set up a Latios/reuni sweep. Meh I guess heatran can take it out so long as you don't switch tran in on a +2 Magnezone behind a sub. Cloyster can set up on chansey and sweep... Basically that chansey is set up bait. I'll come back with some suggestions a little later... and was there really any need at all for those damned spoilers ?

I was thinking about mamoswine too, not so much as a sweeper but more for something that can attack with Ice Shard to remove things like Landolos and Gliscor. I'm not too sure how well he'd work on this team but he'd be a good option to atleast try out. Thunderus as lead is a boss, I would personally suggest Focus Blast over HP Ice to nail people dumb enough to put their Ttar in lead. As for infernape... Well things have changed for him with the shift, he can no longer afford to lose any speed. so 252 Spe with a Niave or hasty nature, 252 in Atk 4 in SpA And run Fire Blast, close combat, Stone Edge and Flare Blitz or Mach Punch. HP Ice + stone edge provides redundant coverage, really, so decide who you want to hit harder, Gliscor (HP ice) or Zapdos and other bulky flyers like Gyarados (Stone Edge). The main thing I wanna see in the 6th spot is someone that can beat landolos; because in doing so you can pretty much guaratee you can beat most sand teams. Edit your first post once you have tested changes, there's no point editing the first post if the suggestions don't work out

I'm a little out of touch but from what I can see ferrothorn is redundant. You have Jirachi and gliscor on team and they make a beastly defencive core, Use jirachi in thorn's place. Jirachi @ Leftovers Careful 240 HP / 228 SpD / 44 Spe - Iron Head - Wish - Body Slam - Stealth Rock The thing is, Jirachi provides support in form of health and hazards, like ferrothorn with paralysis and flinchax. For your bulky water troubles you have starmie. This now nicely frees up a spot on your team for a good lead, whatever that may entail. I wouldn't be adverse to the idea of putting thunderus in lead position with Thunderwave (volt Switch) / Taunt / Thunderbolt / Focus Blast. Your Gliscor set pairs nicely with the new jirachi. Infernape, I feel, should almost always be mixed even if it's a no invest-fire blast, it means you can OHKO things like Skarmory with ease, and that's always nice. with one spot left on team let's look at who you're weak against... Number one enemy of this team seems to be Landolos(sp) Rock polish = gg for you. You should be beating excadrill most of the time Terrakion should also go down easily enough, unless you lose ape then you're in trouble Now, without thunderwave on thunderus you're pretty susceptible to DD mence Reuniclus can set up on everything in your team. CB Uturn from infernape manages at best 50% on full invest reuniclus (not a 2HKO) whilst reuniclus can OHKO infernape and whole portion of your team at an easily gained +2. Your best bet here is my offered Jirachi with Paraflinching it. Sub Roost Zapdos is going to annoy you a little too. Heh my mind's gone blank I've forgotten my initial thoughts I think Stone edge on infernape would be a good idea, or even hidden power Ice. This would probably have to go over Mach Punch, but you then lose your terrakion coversage (not that you can directly switch into him anyway.) Unaware quagsire could really help your team, but I don't want to get rid of starmie as it's doing quite a good job. Yeah, I'm a stop before I start giving bad advice.

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Tentacruel would seem to be better than froslass + donphan and would free up a slot on your team. With the Stally feel to the team tentacruel provides almost crucial toxic spikes support. Backing him up with a spin blocker is a good idea. As it's 4th Gen Rotom would go nicely; Rotom-H specifically. It can take both electric and ground types for Tentacruel and deal heavy damage with Overheat. The choice specs variant wouldn't be a bad idea as it gives you a nice power house to the team. After you've bitch slapped a couple pokes with Overheat, Blissey switch ins will be easy as hell to predict so you can cripple them with a trick. Choice spex is further boosted by the fact that you have paralysis support running through the team. Now for some problem pokes; Gyarados: After you've spored someone with Scarf Smeargle he's forced out, he's also forced out if gyara switches in on spikes, he can then set up a DD, Taunt Blissey, and Togekiss, rendering them useless, giving Gyara another DD after which it's sweep city. Rotom-H fixes this. Infernape: Whilst you have a lot of paralysis support that can cripple him, if he switches in you have nothing that you can soundly switch into him. Tentacruel is Infernape's worst enemy. Opposing Blissey: The thing with your team is it lacks that win factor. It can quite easily grind out a couple of wins, but it doesn't particularly set up to anything; thus you are walled by stall that is stronger than your own. Something cool that you could try out would be switching Snorlax for CroMiltank. Rest/Sleep Talk/Curse/Return(/Bodyslam) Whilst not being quite as tankish as snorlax it can run mono more easily due to scrappy allowing it to hit Ghost types. You could then use Blissey as set up bait, which is always neat. He too would be weak to infernape; but if you put tentacruel on team you're on to a winner. Skarmory would wall it to high hell, too, but that's why I suggest Rotom-H. I dislike the smeargle lead in all honesty. It seems to allow too many things to switch in and set up on it. If I think of anything/set that'd work better I'll come back.

I am really struggling with UU. I can't get a footing on it all

Well in the last thread we speculated that UU tier wouldn't form until a couple months along the line, but here it is folks. It's a bit of a mess, but it's got some sort of balance. The main problem I'm finding is that there are a lot of hard hitting things and not as many walls, as OU has usurped them all but there are plenty of viable tanks, like empoleon, and donphan... and the ever present Chansey / Zapdos still in there to chose from. Personally I'd like to see Kyurem and Victini booted to BL, but that's got a ways to go, and they'll probably make the jump to OU before that happens. I do quite like Weavile in UU, however, as without scizor running around everywhere it does get a chance to shine, and while there are some over powered pokes in there, Weavile sits quite nicely in there as a revenge killer... but it isn't seeing much use. Shocked that Azelf isn't seeing much use, too, as it can certainly hold its own against many of these top UU threats.

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I don't believe there's any difference. There's STAB and no STAB. For Instance, an Ice Beam and a Thunderbolt with have their natural Base Powers, while hydro pump will have a boosted base power due to STAB. Starmie being weak to Electric won't change the power of the Thunderbolt.

Blaziken uncounterable -> Uber As for Kyurem... Well, yeah that's just going to be scary in UU. I am taking a wide berth of UU at the moment. It's craziness. Give it like 2 - 3 months of testing and they'll have a solid BL tier. Then we can all go and play a nice clean game of UU. The tier system does suck at the beginning, but once stuff gets voted out then we'll be all nice. I just hope they don't be as stupid as to Vote out Chomp and Mence again. And this time, ban Soul Dew not the twins. There's actually some sort of balance with all these dragons in at the moment, remove one of them and it's going to be Gen IV all over again.

These are just lists stating what HAS been used in battles, not the tiers themselves. However, 2 people thought vulpix would be more use in Ubers than Ninetales or Groudon .

Aye, he knows what you mean But spiking leads and such are quite hard to use now, as the opponent will just switch in a counter to your lead (due to team preview) so your lead won't be able to do its job. It's best now to just run a scouting lead or some form of disruptive lead. Things like Thundurus and Machamp are prime examples of such. 700th post like a boss.

Yeah it's actually quite sickening. I'm not quite sure what irks me more, trap Chandelure or those stupid sand gimmicks. I just RQ every time I see one. Aggron actually seems higher than I anticipated I know that's bad as he's actually quite usable, I just didn't think people used him... like at all.

Yeah I doubt this will be any deciding factor yet. I give it maybe three months of consistent statistics for tiers to be decided. On the Heracross note though... WHAT IN THE WORLD. I'd say it's one of the premium wall breakers this gen, personally. Megahorn dem Jellicents, and if they burn you... Well you'll just get even angrier. Ferrothorn stalling your shit? BAM smack them with a Heracross. Yeah, I don't get why he isn't being used any more He's great for taking out tyranitar, and unlike scizor he can actually directly switch into scalds from bulky waters and nail them. I mean everyone's running slowbro now, Heracross can destroy them I don't get it. Maybe people are trying to get him into UU again? Oh well, if he's an unexpected threat I think I might just use him in conjunction with Hydreigon and azumarill to get some sweeps on. Oh Aron and Gorebyss are being used for their gimmick sets. Endeavour shell bell quick attack sturdy for the former and Shell Smash / Baton Pass / White herb for the latter.

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From Smogon Black and white Standard Black and white Dream World Black and White Uber Black and White Littlecup So there you have it, that should help you with your team building endeavours. Even if you don't play on the smogon Server, this should give you a nice outline as to what you should be looking out for, and who might have a nice niche in the current metagame.

On that magnezone there'd be no need for recycle, as it has magnet rise anyway. Balloon is good for the instant immunity, definitely, but magnet raise > recycle. I don't know when it'd have time to put a sub up, however, as if you're switching into steel types, you may aswell just hit them with Tbolt. If you sub on skarm, it's going to be whirlwinding you, subbing on scizor would be a terrible idea and you definitely won;t get time to sub against dragons etc. I suppuse if it works for you, then cool; I guess it's a great Jirachi counter so long as it lacks U turn. Personally, without actually trying your set, I'd imagine the scarfed set would work better.

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It's not a bad set, and it's also not far off of the standard, too, IIRC. The main problem is switching him in. You can't really switch him into any direct walls, and it's too easily revenged. So there's not really much I can say; other than pikachu will stay UU or NU for quite a while

Walrein gets Oblivious as its Dream World ability In any case, Stallrein will never pass up ice body. It's just too good an ability, it's like Poison heal but in the hail. Stallrein can be an absolute boss in the hail, so it's definitely a pretty cool wall. -Protect -Substitute -Superfang -Filler That's pretty much the best way to run it, give it some toxic spikes support as to not limit its move pool. I'd say the best spiker for Walrein would be Tentacruel, as it can take out Infernape, which can do some bad things to Walrein if it can catch Walrein without a substitute up. Anyway, personally I would say the best wall at the moment is Gliscor. I can't say enough good things about it, it has complete Diversity at the moment and can work as a stall breaker, a tank, a physical sweeper and as just a general annoyance, this allows it to be unpredictable. It can also wall out top threats in the OU metagame like Excadrill, Conkeldur and Scizor. It also retains its ability of being able to take out pokemon like Lucario with its STAB earthquake. And lets not forget its new Dream World ability in form of Poison Heal, making it impervious to being toxic stalled or ruined by burn. This also means that with its Fling and Acrobatics set it can take out walls like Blissey one on one.

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That's a great read, buddy. You really do have some bad luck . Have you still got that warstory where my Heracross like Critted your whole team out? You were not happy that day. What I don't get is how in the face of adversity you still manage to kick the hell out of folk It's not fair, I tell ya! Not that I want to see you lose, just wish I could still win from 5-1 down