Pokemonman1000 Posted June 8, 2009 Posted June 8, 2009 I think they should make Mewtwo, Mew, and the legendary birds available in Kanto. I really don't feel like booting up the sham of a game Platinum just to trade Mewtwo and Mew over.
wraith89 Posted June 8, 2009 Posted June 8, 2009 The legendary birds were available in Platinum, so I doubt they'll be seen at all in HG/SS
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 8, 2009 Posted June 8, 2009 And I doubt Mewtwo will be in the cave. Remember, the game takes place three years after Red's adventure, so the cave has been closed off.
DanteKoriyu Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 You also seem to forget that this is a remake on a DS cart, they won't have to worry about saving space by removing maps from the Kanto region (Like the Unown/Cerulean Cave, Viridian Forrest, or Mt. Moon.) There is a 50/50 shot for any of the Kanto region stuff that was removed or downgraded in the original GSC to be included in full this time around,... except maybe the 3 birds, since they were in Platinum I'd say they have 15-25% shot of being included in the remake.
InuYouki Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 I see them expanding upon the areas that were shrunk down in the original, however, I do not see them adding in the birds and mewtwo etc. Like Floot said, this is three years later and with Platinum filling in where the birds went there is no need to include them in HGSS. Stuff was changed in FRLG, but for the most part it was the same and or expanded on, so I really don't see those guys making an appearance.
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 Exactly. All of this stuff has already been accessed by Red. And there is no need for these Pokémon since there is already a link to obtain them all. That's how Nintendo makes their profit, by having to make us buy all the Pokémon games in order to complete the Pokédex. Speaking of the Pokédex, what do you think they will do with the Unown dex?
InuYouki Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 I honestly forgot about the Unown dex. I hope they have it in again. Playing with the Unowns was fun.
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 Maybe they will do the same thing and keep that exclusive dex after catching three Unown.
DanteKoriyu Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 I know Nintendo loves to make you have to buy multiple games to complete the Pokedexes, but they are also fazing out the use of the 3rd generation carts with their move in making the DSi. Not everyone can use a GBA cart to obtain the GBA exclusive Pokes. Yes, all the stuff was already accessed by Red, but its not like that really matters. The birds and Mewtwo were removed from GSC because they had already been captured or defeated by Red, then in Platinum it is revealed that the birds were defeated and migrated to Sinnoh, possibly roaming to find a new suitable home. that leaves more than enough room for Mewtwo to have been defeated and residing somewhere new within Johto or Kanto, or if they feel like being uncreative, within Cerulean Cave again (though redesigned,. bits and pieces could still have caved in and changed the layout instead of closing off the whole entrance.)
wraith89 Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 Red? Defeating Mewtwo? Nonsense! Maybe he left and went to another place... or stayed in Cerulean Cave. I hope they open the place up again... but what was up with that Berserk Gene found in the water? Does it mean he got killed? :eek:
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 Point is, Red already did this, so Gold cannot. He got the birds, he defeated Mewtwo he did it all. You can't do it again, it's a one time thing. I speculate that you will be able to fight Red and he will probably talk this time. Seems like a possibility.
wraith89 Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 No he didn't get the birds. The birds are in Sinnoh now >.>
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 He defeated the birds and they are in Sinnoh now, so they shouldn't be in Johto. But I think they might do something with Mewtwo...
wraith89 Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 Defeated the birds? Or most likely the cave ins? He could have caught the birds when he had the chance to, but apparently, we don't know. Speculation is the opposite of calm
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 9, 2009 Posted June 9, 2009 All we know is that now the birds are in Sinnoh, so they can't be in Johto. But Mewtwo might still be in the game, hopefully. I think Mewtwo will still be in the game.
InuYouki Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 I don't think they will have Mewtwo. Honestly, anyone thinking that he will be in the game will most likely be sadly disappointed Regardless of the "phase out" of Gen 3 games, I don't see them making it that easy for us to get Mewtwo. If I am wrong, then good, but I wont be getting my hopes up.
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Hmm, maybe Mewtwo might not be in the game, but do you think they will add any more event legendaries like FR and LG did? I think they will add more legendary events.
punky Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Great news on CoroCoro of june = The 3 legends from Hoenn will be in Heart gold and Soul silver!! Awesome! Kyogre in HG Groudon in SS Rayquaza in both games when you have the two others!
wraith89 Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Punky, really? Wow... so they're making it so you don't have to depend on Pal Park after all... :-/ And Punky, you mean HG, not HS
Klaatu Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 I knew they'll put other palpark legends in it after the regis and birds were confirmed for Pt. Now everyone who said stuff like "Mewtwo won't be in" or "Jirachi event doesn't make sense in those games", think again. The big Hoenn legends were the last on the list of probable non-Johto legends included in HGSS. I'm (still) sure there will be at least 1 Lati@s roaming around (Kanto) in each game. The chances for Jirachi ingame (wifi) event at white rock in Kanto have risen alot too IMO. And Mewtwo? NOW WAI /jk That's the most obvious. Oh, btw Deoxys plx Offtopic: anyone check out my water starter @ sig LOL
wraith89 Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 The Hoenn legends are very improbable. I even wonder if the Lati@s twins are in... I'm not sure about Deoxys/Jirachi because even if they were available, it will probably be through an event or something >_> Mewtwo... they have to find a way to make him available
DanteKoriyu Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Hoenn Trio Rival and Elm Cynthia Arcues Event *CoroCoro images from Pokebeach* There is the proof for the Hoenn Legends. After beating the Elite 4, Kyogre will appear in HeartGold, and Groudon in SoulSilver, and catching them in their respective game then bringing both into one game will unlock Rayquaza in it. There is also apparently a Cynthia/Arceus event in HGSS. and the rumor is if you transfer the Movie Arceus to HGSS, and you may be able to unlock/capture Dialga, Palkia, or Giratina. As the screen shows text of someone (Arceus or Cynthia most likely) saying something along the lines of being " given the right to choose one life out of three" with three symbols on the ground. ------------------------- As for my opinion on this, it brings up a concern. While I like the inclusion of as many legendaries as possible, me being a collector and the legends being my favorite Pokemon, I'm very much enjoying Platinum and HGSS including as many as possible. But the CoroCoro page says that the Hoenn Super Ancient Trio will be available after defeating the Elite 4, but I can't believe they would release the titans only after defeating Johto's Elite 4. While beating the Elite 4 signifies the beating of the main story part of the game, at least in the originals (Kanto was more like a side quest with little to it), I'm hoping this isn't hinting towards Kanto's removal in the remake. Hope not though. And for the record, I knew these guys would be included, and I'm expecting the Lati twins and Mewtwo as well to be included at the very least, if not the rest of the legendaries that aren't currently available in the 4th Gen in event item format. Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Lugia, Ho-Oh are guaranteed to be in and Celebi is very probable as an in game Event Pokemon. That left Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Mewtwo, and Mew as unaccounted for. Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza were just confirmed, so now we only have the Lat@s twins, Jirachi, Deoxys, Mewtwo, and Mew. I wouldn't be surprised if Lati@s were roaming the map and exclusive in some way, by game or by character gender? I also expect Mewtwo to be within the game, possibly after beating Red, and that would leave Jirachi, Deoxys and Mew as in game Event Item Pokemon to finish out the list. Most people claim that to be too many Legends, I welcome it though.
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 This is to much. This is even more than I expected. Hoenn legends? Sinnoh legends? Add that with the Johto legends already in there and we a lot of legends in one game! I think they might even add Mewtwo so we can all forget about pal park!
FLOOTENKERP Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 And I think this is the best way how. Now people won't have to waste money to complete the Pokédex. I think you may be able to catch Hoenn Pokémon as well.
InuYouki Posted June 10, 2009 Posted June 10, 2009 Well, like I said, I doubted it, but I would welcome it. This is awesome, and a complete surprise for me :3 Now I am not disappointed. I still wont hold my breath for Mewtwo, but now I believe there is the possibility. It would be great to catch Mewtwo all over again,
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