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It's all good. That was an epic debate though.

Yeah, but I think we can make it.

Considering that most of the argument has derailed into opinionated territory; I'm gonna go ahead and wrap things up. I do in fact understand where you are coming from. For the record, I liked these Pokemon since before I saw their stats, so don't count me in as the crowd that only cares about numbers. I always find it more fun to when with an unorthodox strategy than spamming awesome OU Pokemon. Anyways, I can understand your opinion, and I respect that. Anything further than that though' we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Oh, and my argument sounded really heated. that's just how I type when I'm trying to make good points, I hope you didn't take offense to it or anything. ^^

Glad we're on the same page here. Let me first take a look at the current Metagame. #3 Gengar, #4 Gyarados, #6 Starmie, #9 Dragonite, #13 Machamp. So with Four Generations, Generation I takes up 1/3rd of it. 4 Pokemon came from Gen IV, 2 from Gen II, and 4 from Gen III. What do these numbers tell me? It says that Generation I is the best. These Pokemon have withstood the test of time, and can compete in today's metagame, so I don't see where you're coming from with all this talk of Pokémon getting more broken each generation. I will give you that this Generation has a considerable spike in stats than previous generations. Here is what many are calling the most broken Pokemon from this Generation: Aekeosu Type: Rock/Flying Ability: Faint Hearted Base Stats:75 140 65 112 65 110 [Total:567] (Here's an interesting tidbit, his National Dex number is also 567) Just by looking at it's stats premiliminarily, you'd think he's extremely broken. Something that fast, and with such absurd attack? Not to mention his great Special attack as well. Even Salamence can't boast figures like that, and he's been deemed Über! Let's take a closer look; however, first we'll gesture over to it's ability. It's effect is " If it's HP drops below 50%, Attack is reduced by half", and no, he doesn't have a Dream World ability to fix this. a single Bullet Punch from Scizor ruins him. After that, his best stat is his respectable 112 Special Attack, and a great Speed Number. His strongest special attacks are Focus Blast, Earth Power, and Dragon Pulse, two of which are Egg Moves. So if you go the special attacking route, you'll be easy to predict, and if not, then you only have access to one maybe two of these moves, and none of them are STAB for you to take advantage of. He doesn't even break the 600BST needed to be a pseudo legend like Salamence. He's an Early Game sweeper, meant for Hyper Offense, and that's it. Once you see all of what he is, instead of just glancing at it, you start to see it's not so bad after all. (I didn't cover everything here, because this argument isn't about him really.) " as they have mixed bigger numbers on Pokemon that don't look like they possess the stats or anything" My only response to this is, since when do magical make-believe critters have to obey the laws of physics and have big burly arms in order to be strong. You also claim that the Pokemon have Lousy Designs, you're argument has been repeatedly "They no longer look like Pokemon." Well guess what. They DO look like Pokemon, because they ARE Pokemon, and they were made by GAMEFREAK. You can say they don't look like it all you want, but the simple fact of the matter is...they are, and they do. You have no control over that, and if you have a problem, take it up with GameFreak. The metagame shifts each generation. This time around, Stall sucks, learn2play a new style, or keep trying with stall until you find a way to make it work. If you liked Stall, you might like Bulky Offense, if you are any good you should know what that is. If not, take a gander at my RMT for an example. That'll end this section of the rant. With Mence and Latias gone, this metagame is as close to balanced as we can get. I did not say; however, that this future generation would be balanced, but that so far it seems that way. Keep in mind that when I say this, I am not saying that "Stall will be just as good as Hyper Offense, and vice-versa." but that our metagame will be more than the same 15 Pokemon spammed repeatedly. Small paragraph gets small reply. Ducks fly South during the Winter; my parents fly south during the Winter; therefore, my parents are Ducks. This is the connection you are trying to make between Pokémon and these other games. It doesn't work, so stop using these ridiculous examples. ~whistle~ Long paragraph. This'll take a while to break down. You say Base Stats can't be changed, but why should they? Let's compare two very similar Pokemon, one we all know and love. Machamp. The other, is almost his exact clone, Roopushin. Let's break them down and have a look-see. 90 130 80 65 85 55 [505] 105 140 95 55 65 45 [505] Well wouldja look at that. The have the SAME BASE STATS. So from Generation I, to Generation V, there has been no sudden spike in the BST. The only difference is the distribution. Here, we have a bulkier Machamp, but without No-Guard. They are equals in every since of the word, and if you had bothered to look at pokemon as a whole, instead of saying "WTF 140 HAX THIS GAME SUCKS." You'd have realized that. (For the record, I find this guy one of the slightly more unimaginative Pokemon. He even evolves via Trade like Machamp.) Giving him new moves, and this will effectively "catch him up". Some Pokemon, struggled more than others, and for them, they were usually given new and better abilities. I mean, how epic is Gliscor now that he can heal 1/8th in Sandstorm instead of 1/16th. Some of these new Pokemon, are of course better than others. That's how things have always been. No matter what you do, Machamp will always pummel Blissey into oblivion, does that make him Broken? No, of course not. Some Pokemon, yes will be Uber. That shadow dragon we got might just make it, who knows, but the vast majority is on Par with previous generations. Maybe they'll have some sort of "edge" thanks to better stat distribution, but our old favorites are still viable, and will still be useful. Of course some will get gipped out of the curve, sometimes things happen. I mean, before SR, Charizard was barely playable, and now. Gone completely. These things happen, and while you might not like all of them, it's the way they are. Nothing is overly broken here, if it is, Tiering will set it right. To the rest of your argument. The pokemon you listed were mostly NU in the first place. Of course it's not going to help much for them, they've been NU, and will stay NU. Some others, like Politoad went OU overnight. Regardless, they can't help them all. Competitively speaking, most of our favorites will still be viable, if not moreso than usual. (I believe you had a SD Breloom set, correct? Well it can get technician now. Imagine all the fun you can have with Mach Punch now.) I wont pretend to know exactly how this metagame will play out, but I do know for sure that it wont break. Besides, with the convenience of Wifi, I'm almost certain that Gen-IV will still be popular to play. (Similar to how ADV is popular in some circles.) So it's not like your being forced into this generation. If you don't want it, don't buy it. You don't want to compete, fine, don't. I know you probably want it too, but it wont. There are over 100 Pokemon who still get SR, and the only thing stopping them is a quick migration. The only Draw Back is you wont get new egg-moves/abilities. That's it. It will be more balanced this generation, from what I've seen. Of course I can't predict the future, but it just feels like there's going to be way more diversity. Weather or not Kuromoi is stupid or not, is you're own opinion, and as such isn't fact. It is a new bat pokemon, and I actually preffer it's design over Zubat. (But perhaps that's because I'm tired of seeing it, lol.) Yep, we got something new, finally. Not all of it I agree with. (See: Trash Bag) but the majority I like. That ninja-bug looks cool (I'll give you that 135 speed is pretty bad, but so is ninjask, and he gets speed boost to boot.) They don't fit in? If you've payed close enough attention, each generation has it's own design flare to it that seperates it form each geneartion. Each region "feels" different from the rest, this one might feel slightly more different in that it is "farther away." [/endrant]

1) Eel's are commonly Electricly charged throughout their body, which they use to paralyze prey. It makes sense, quite crying. The only possible change needed here, is to possibly include Water in it's typing. 2) The game isn't that Broken, that's the thing. You're little example fabricated, and thus holds absolutely no relevance. Pokemon aren't Broken, they just look that way to you because they are better than previously. 3) You clearly haven't been paying attention to the new items or attacks, looking only at their stats, and being completely close-minded to their appearance. The reason they look "different" is because they are in a "far-off region" (America). So yes they don't look like Traditional Pokemon, but do they need to? No, change is a good thing, over half of the gamers were crying that each gen is just a repeat of the last, even you have been crying about the boringness of the metagame because it's so centralized, well from what I see it's now actually balanced. (except stall, it'll be nearly impossible to pull it off.) Take a look at all the Items, and all the Moves. You'll see that this metagame is going to be balanced. At first you'll thing "Why the hell is everyone so broken, poor gen I-IV" but then you'll realize the previous generations are being brought up to this level. There are even tons of new items as well, like the Aiming Mark. In case you were wondering, Aiming mark allows you to bypass Immunities, like Gravity did for Ground immunity, the Aiming mark will do the same.

That's the thing, I've been looking beyond the skin. I will admit a good chunk of the new Pokemon are just plain fail. (A Garbage Bag...Really...) But the vast majority are freakin' sweet. This metagame will be chaos at first. Oh, and Wraith; the new item "Aiming Mark" will dispel all of your troubles with my Eel.

If Final Fantasy has had 14 games, Pokemon can easily match 14 Generations.

1: You're statement is purely opinionated, and as such, cannot be stated as fact. Saying the Pokemon Anime sucks is completely untrue, as I, and many others enjoy it. Just because you don't, does not make it bad. 2:You double posted, and it is recommended you delete one.

<Bump Post> I've updated the Main Post. I need to figure out the new Ev Spreads I'm using from PO. Too lazy atm. Rate and whatever, thanks, g'night.

I have this game, so far its been great. I only have on badge so far, but I look foward to continuing my adventures, lol.

I believe that if there should ever come a time where "catching 'em all" became difficult, they would release an Omni-Game, that contains most up-to-date regions, as well as mass migration (hopefully). Compared to previous generations, some things would seem over-powered, but it looks like GF did a good job catching the older Pokemon up, and so everything is balanced. Like I've been saying lately. "If the entire game is broken, the field is level."

No silly, he's Kyogre/Politoad, duh.

I honestly have no clue what you are talking about. Pokemon is on the Rise; how can you possibly say it's near the end if all it is doing is going up.

I doubt Gamefreak will ever make a starter a Dragon, as it just seems to me to be a bit unfair to the others. I honestly don't see Miju being a Water Ice other than it's snowy colored whiskers. It would have been better off as a Water/Rock or a Water/Steel (Samurai). Also, I love it when people make baseless claims like "This is Pokemon's last stand." Despite the fact that this game pre-ordered 15 million copies (Fastest selling DS game ever. Period.) Scored a perfect 40/40 in an official game review; something a Pokemon game has never achieved before, and is still selling at an incredible rate. Yep, Pokemon is certainly dying. No Gen-VI people /sarcasm. I for one like the designs of most of the Pokemon. Rankurusu, and Shandeera are my favorites at the moment, but there are so many good ones. (Except that trash bag, I hate that thing.)

Here, one of you two please take this one, lol. I can't think of anything for it (even though I want to) and I've been busy. Banana, I'm going to finish yours up today, I apologize for your extended wait during this entire process. Sabedit: Here you go Banana, satisfied yet? (Again, if you aren't, don't hesitate to say so, and I'll fix it. [i sound like a broken record])

I apologize for my apparent lack of activity these past few days, lol. I've been busy lately with College Preparations, so I'm a tad bit unavailable. Sorry again, I hope to be back in full soon though.

It has been confirmed that Weak Knees, the ability of that bird; cuts it's attack stat in half when it's HP falls below 50%. Not as broken, but an effective EARLY game sweeper. Pretty interesting. Shibirudon-Electric-Levitate-85 115 80 50 105 80 This Pokemon is interesting, it techinically has no weakness.

I'm a bit disapointed in the Starter Types this generation. Pure Grass, and pure Water. Oh, but Gamefreak couldn't give us a pure fire, no they decided it would be better to give us ANOTHER Fire/Fighting. Oh well, we've gotten a whole slew of pokemon, and i'm excited about most of them. The Candle pokemon, Ghost/Fire; Flash Fire. Not quite as good as Rotoms, but it should be interesting ^^.

Hmm, I'll start to get on that, I'm feeling a tad lazy today with all the new Pokemon information I need to ogle.