Sabeta

I used both on one team.

Victreebell at *4 is 982, but that's with neutral nature. If you want, you can run Growth on him too, for the +2 to your special attack, if you do that, Sucker Punch is a very viable move over say Hidden Power. Both builds are fine though. I also tested Venusaur, it's rock solid as a Pokemon, both are quite respectable.

Really, Growth gives +2 in the sun now? Interesting.

The problem though, is if weather changes, you have to wait a turn, You don't get to sleep, because they just killed you. I find Victreebell MUCH better. Weather Ball, even if your opponent goes for Rain, is a 150 Power Water Move, which even many water types don't like to look at. With Leave Storm, he kills a good majority of them as well.

If it has nearly ALL of the same tools that I use on a regular basis, and is free, I'll try GIMP.

Untrue good sir. They will likely only be banned until the Japanese release of the ability. I see absolutely zero reason to ban any Dream World abilities. The most broken by far is Shadow Tag shandera, and even then it's too frail, and most the meta is too bulky, for it to be deemed Uber. As for you 0660, I would take Nintales out of the lead position. She's too fast. When playing weather, the slower Pokémon is the one whose weather will stay, so if you go against a Tyranitar/Politoad/obambasnow, the turn will look like this "The Suny intensified" "It started to Hail/Rain/Sandstorm" and you're forced to switch immediately. I would put Shandera in the lead, give it specs or scarf. Have it run Focus Blast and Energy Ball. (Note, you need specs for the following to work) so that it becomes a perfect counter to Tyranitar and Politoad leads, and with that; you can safely bring out the sun without worries. Uru is an amazing pokemon, no exceptions. I sweep teams with it all the time. It's my ace in the hole, even at 50%. For a special Sun Sweeper, it doesn't get better than Victreebell; try Weather Ball and Leaf Storm, and watch the carnage you get.

Well, I can't complain then. Just fix the Venusaur isshu.

Because in 5th Gen; Ninetales gets Drought as a Dream World ability, allowing for infinite sun. Just as well, there are more, and better chlorophyll users, and a good selection of fire types. All around it's pretty sweet.

I think I'm going to call the team done, I'll test out infernape on this team, and afterwords I'll finish up the OP. Zapdos is win.

Fine, let me go to smogon. Spiritomb Arcanine Uxie Clefable Alakazam

I meant Registeel, not steelix, lol whoops. I just threw random UUs that I knew were good at it, lol.

5th Gen Sun is infintely better. Hail teams are alright, not the best you can build, but they are better than Sunny Day to be sure.

Well, it turned out to be quite successful. It dies sometimes, it kills others. In general a useful Pokémon, but his role is just expendable enough to be used as Suicide bait if need be. A solid addition, but not critical. And I'm only going to poke the things I know, so lemme see. Finished checking. Steelix says hi, on most of those Pokemon. Milotic walls a decent portion of your team. Venusaur is awesome. Nasty Plot Mismagius spells your doom. At a glance that's all I can think of, feel free to refute these points.

I actually am terrible at UU, so I'm not much help here. I certainly can't poke holes into it.

Sadly, It doesn't work. I did an amazingly in-depth research into the metagame, and built around 20 Sunny Day teams. The simple fact is, they don't work. The reason for this, isn't neccassarily lack of Permanent sun, but of the current pool of Pokémon who can abuse it. A Sunny Day team in this meta, needs to win in about 12 turns. Otherwise, you're screwed. Despite this, I will try and rate you're team. Switch Bronzong to Heatproof, and it becomes a Heatran Counter. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY uses ground moves on Bronzong, unless they surprisingly do pitiful damage with a Fire Blast. If the sun is up, null what I just said (FireBlast outside of sun=~40%) Solar Beam is the worst move possible in this Metagame. Here's how the typical play would work out. [insert Pokémon here used Sunny Day] I switch to Tyranitar now, while you begin Solar Beam. Now your Solar Beam is weaker, and I get a free turn. Also, while Heatran is awesome considering your Fire Weaknesses, he's so common in the meta, there are a plethora of counters to him, and as such, will be taken out early. (He's on one out of every four teams). Again, Solar Beam hurts his performance, as his biggest counter is Tyranitar. Don't you dare get rid of Exeggutor. He's your saving grace. Ditch Solar Beam, iirc he gets Flamethrower+Sun. If you need Stab, go with Leaf Storm. He'll be forced out quickly anyway. Dugtrio doesn't do anything to gengar. Gengar knows about Sucker Punch, and will switch out. Levitate>Arena Trap.

Well, I am currently playtesting this team on PokeLab.

Now the only question that remains, is how does it fare against Togekiss?

sounds like a plan.

Hmm, now I just need to know what set to run.

I've had longer. PP stalling Skarmory vs Poison Heal gliscor isn't fun.

If I remember to, I'll rate this later lol ^^

How about Zapdos then? (Since Rotom forms are barred from me)

Thanks for these, that helps quite a bit actually.

Oi, I just thought, what about Jolteon>Shaymin? I found out I have a Togekiss weak anyway, and this was the best way to take care of it.

I no longer have CS5extended, so I can't make sigs atm. I need to find a way to get, preferably free, but I believe the ladder is illegal.