XY- Unused Static Abomasnow and Scatterbug Encounter

[jojo12100]

Hi,

so according to TCRF there are 2 unused Static Encounter in XY: a Scatterbug and a Abomasnow.

 

Speaking about a way to get it with @BlackShark I thaught we can use the same method as I did for GS Unused Venomoth slot.

But for that we need first to know where those 2 unused encounters are located.

 

What to do?

Modify a Static Encounter in XY with PK3DS and check the differences with an HexEditor.

Look around if there is the Scatterbug and Abomasnow slot and then swap them with Mewtwo for example.

 

Any volunteer?

I tried to do this but with my Gateway O3DS I failed using PK3DS.

 

I'll do some researches too in order to know more about those 2 Pokemon.

[BlackShark]

17 minutes ago, jojo12100 said:

I tried to do this but with my Gateway O3DS I failed using PK3DS.

How did you unpack/repack your ROM? Did you try https://github.com/evandixon/DotNet3dsToolkit?

[jojo12100]

55 minutes ago, BlackShark said:

How did you unpack/repack your ROM? Did you try https://github.com/evandixon/DotNet3dsToolkit?

I tried with another method but I'll try this one tommorow.

 

@BlackShark Found this for the moment.

What? A Pidgey too?

Edited August 30, 2017 by jojo12100

[Ruby Genseki]

59 minutes ago, jojo12100 said:

What? A Pidgey too?

I might be wrong, but that may be the preset Pidgey you find as a "random" encounter the first time you enter Route 2. The first Pokémon supposed to appear in there is a Lv. 3, Keen Eye, shiny-locked Pidgey.

[jojo12100]

Just now, Ruby Genseki said:

I might be wrong, but that may be the preset Pidgey you find as a "random" encounter the first time you enter Route 2. The first Pokémon supposed to appear in there is a Lv. 3, Keen Eye, shiny-locked Pidgey.

Oh I totally forgot that one. If I'm correct it was uploaded yet bu @BlackShark.

Will swap Mewtwo and Abomasnow slot first hoping it'll work.

[Ruby Genseki]

1 hour ago, jojo12100 said:

Oh, now that I see, that data perfectly matches the Pidgey I mentioned..

Now, as for the Scatterbug...

1 hour ago, jojo12100 said:

I'm not sure if it's the case, but looks like a possible preset first encounter for Santalune Forest. That, or it might have been meant to appear at Route 2 before being changed for the Pidgey.

Do you guys remember your first random encounter in Santalune Forest? I have yet to properly play XY, so I have nothing to say about it.

[theSLAYER]

8 minutes ago, Ruby Genseki said:

I might be wrong, but that may be the preset Pidgey you find as a "random" encounter the first time you enter Route 2. The first Pokémon supposed to appear in there is a Lv. 3, Keen Eye, shiny-locked Pidgey.

 

That's a thing?

is that the only thing that will appear, before the catching tutorial?

[Ruby Genseki]

Just now, theSLAYER said:

That's a thing?

is that the only thing that will appear, before the catching tutorial?

Seems to be the case. I've seen that Pidgey bypassing randomizers when static encounters are not changed.

[jojo12100]

2 minutes ago, Ruby Genseki said:

Oh, now that I see, that data perfectly matches the Pidgey I mentioned..

Now, as for the Scatterbug...

I'm not sure if it's the case, but looks like a possible preset first encounter for Santalune Forest. That, or it might have been meant to appear at Route 2 before being changed for the Pidgey.

Do you guys remember your first random encounter in Santalune Forest? I have yet to properly play XY, so I have nothing to say about it.

In that case I should swap them too but for the moment PK3DS crashes

[wrathsoffire76]

22 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

 

That's a thing?

is that the only thing that will appear, before the catching tutorial?

It's hardcoded into the game

Actually, does the unreleased gallery have it?

Edited August 30, 2017 by wrathsoffire76

[theSLAYER]

I don't think so, I wasn't aware of it.

then again, I think that Pidgey isn't considered uncapturable (if it's route 2, I think you could buy balls after getting starters, before getting there?), unlike the other 2. (Scatterbug and abomasnow)

[Ruby Genseki]

Just now, theSLAYER said:

I think that Pidgey isn't considered uncapturable (if it's route 2, I think you could buy balls after getting starters, before getting there?)

Yup, there's that "specialized shop that only sells Poké Balls" in Aquacorde, you can actually catch that Pidgey before the catching tutorial.

[theSLAYER]

4 minutes ago, Ruby Genseki said:

Yup, there's that "specialized shop that only sells Poké Balls" in Aquacorde, you can actually catch that Pidgey before the catching tutorial.

 

By accident I went there at the start of the game, before catching tutorial, and was rather surprised.

[jojo12100]

Actually both modded .3ds and .cia failed in Gateway.

Someone with a better equipment ?

[jojo12100]

Ok I have the Pidgey for the moment but I think I need help for the 2 others

016 - Roucool - C3D83202B088.pk6

 

Edit @SciresM Is it why it crashes on Gateway? Could you help me please?

Edited August 31, 2017 by jojo12100

[jojo12100]

There is no ROM hacker or Luma user here? Seriously?

[Ruby Genseki]

32 minutes ago, jojo12100 said:

There is no ROM hacker or Luma user here? Seriously?

Not moi. I'd probably learn how to use Luma if I had a 3DS, but.. a computer alone can't do that much.

[wraith89]

On 2017. 8. 31. at 7:11 AM, Ruby Genseki said:

Seems to be the case. I've seen that Pidgey bypassing randomizers when static encounters are not changed.

 

Wow. I learn new things every day. So that Pidgeot I have been using on my first playthrough was exactly that, a fixed encounter. I did notice that i always encountered a Pidgey first. Cool info mate!

 

(I just want to show off. She is from Route 2, Level 3 with Keen Eyes. Modest natured unfortunately, personality is "hates to lose" and I had to resort to Air Slash and Return throughout the game. Return was surprisingly decently strong, even off a - Atk nature with base 80, STAB really hurts. Before I got the VS Seeker, some Japanese people challenged me through the PSS while I was still gathering badges. I got surprised with a Mega Mawile lead, but this Pidgeot got the guy to surrender because of Featherdance + Roost + Air Slash flinch spam. Level 62 Air Slash sucks, and so does Level 38 Wing Attack, but whatever. I wish I had the VS Recorder then. All those fun times... sigh. 

I long suspected there would be a special based Mega for it, so I bred a bunch of Timid Pidgeys and sent them off Miracle Trade. Imagine the shock when I realised a Mega Pidgeot actually DID come out! There it is, all my memories from 2013.)

(inb4 cool blog bro)

[theSLAYER]

I've got a Luma, but the rom hacking portion usually gives me shit results -.-

[jojo12100]

On 31/08/2017 at 0:09 AM, Ruby Genseki said:

Now, as for the Scatterbug...

I'm not sure if it's the case, but looks like a possible preset first encounter for Santalune Forest. That, or it might have been meant to appear at Route 2 before being changed for the Pidgey.

Do you guys remember your first random encounter in Santalune Forest? I have yet to properly play XY, so I have nothing to say about it.

After some tests I can say that it meant to appear at route2 before being changed for pidgey.

Edit: Abomasnow encounter definitively is the one from Frost Cavern.

 

Still no rom hacker or luma user to help us, please?

Edited September 2, 2017 by jojo12100

[jojo12100]

Blackshark found that there is a Weavile too instead of Abomasnow in Pokemon X.

Any theory about their origin ?

I thought it was Frost Cavern but Weavile ...

[Deoxyz]

Weavile is an Ice-type too, so they may have been planned as version exclusives in Frost Cavern, before being scrapped to just an uncatchable Abomasnow.

[jojo12100]

I remember Team Flare was hunting Abomsnow for its Mega Stone, does that mean Mega Weavile was planned and scraped like Mega Flygon?

[BlackShark]

It seems like I made a mistake..........there's no Weavile.
In pk3ds it's right below Abomasnow in that species dropdown. Maybe I accidently scrolled it down, ooops sorry. xD
This is the static encounter data for X and Y. (DllField.cro, 0xEE478 - 0xEE506) https://github.com/kwsch/pk3DS/blob/master/pk3DS.Core/Structures/Gen6/EncounterStatic6.cs

CD 02 00 32 FF FF 92 01 27 27 3C 00 // Yveltal
CC 02 00 32 FF FF 92 01 26 26 17 00 // Xerneas
CD 02 00 32 FF FF 92 01 27 27 18 00 // Yveltal
98 02 00 02 FF FF 12 00 00 00 00 00 // Scatterbug
10 00 00 03 FF FF 12 00 00 00 01 00 // Pidgey
90 00 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 1A 00 // Articuno
91 00 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 1A 00 // Zapdos
92 00 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 1A 00 // Moltres
CE 02 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 19 00 // Zygarde
CC 01 00 2D FF FF 92 00 00 00 06 00 // Abomasnow
96 00 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 1A 00 // Mewtwo
CC 02 00 32 FF FF 92 01 26 26 3B 00 // Xerneas

I'm wondering what the last 4 bytes are used for. I thought it might be some sort of assignement so the game knows which map it belongs to, because it's zero for the unused Scatterbug. But where's Abomasnow assigned to then?

[theSLAYER]

54 minutes ago, BlackShark said:

It seems like I made a mistake..........there's no Weavile.
In pk3ds it's right below Abomasnow in that species dropdown. Maybe I accidently scrolled it down, ooops sorry. xD
This is the static encounter data for X and Y. (DllField.cro, 0xEE478 - 0xEE506) https://github.com/kwsch/pk3DS/blob/master/pk3DS.Core/Structures/Gen6/EncounterStatic6.cs

CD 02 00 32 FF FF 92 01 27 27 3C 00 // Yveltal
CC 02 00 32 FF FF 92 01 26 26 17 00 // Xerneas
CD 02 00 32 FF FF 92 01 27 27 18 00 // Yveltal
98 02 00 02 FF FF 12 00 00 00 00 00 // Scatterbug
10 00 00 03 FF FF 12 00 00 00 01 00 // Pidgey
90 00 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 1A 00 // Articuno
91 00 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 1A 00 // Zapdos
92 00 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 1A 00 // Moltres
CE 02 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 19 00 // Zygarde
CC 01 00 2D FF FF 92 00 00 00 06 00 // Abomasnow
96 00 00 46 FF FF 12 01 00 00 1A 00 // Mewtwo
CC 02 00 32 FF FF 92 01 26 26 3B 00 // Xerneas

I'm wondering what the last 4 bytes are used for. I thought it might be some sort of assignement so the game knows which map it belongs to, because it's zero for the unused Scatterbug. But where's Abomasnow assigned to then?

Out of Curiosity, can this analysis be done to ORAS and SM?