gen1 shiny excel I got a shiny pokemon of pokemon blue to pass it to the bank

[Fer026]

Edited January 26, 2017 by Fer026

[Sabresite]

Congrats! I assume you didn't hack this?

[suloku]

Mewtwo is a static encounter, so it can have any DVs in gen 1 (theoretically).

[coltonsmogon]

On 2/19/2017 at 7:23 PM, suloku said:

Mewtwo is a static encounter, so it can have any DVs in gen 1 (theoretically).

The chances of a Shiny like this are slightly higher than that of other Mewtwos from generations 3 & onward, due to the fact that Special DVs are copied to both Sp. Atk & Sp. Def IVs during Transporter transfer of said Mewtwo (or other Pokémon for that matter). Sorry if I'm being a broken record, but I thought I'd let out my opinion on this...

Edited March 20, 2017 by coltonsmogon
This happens during Transporter transfer, not through other types of transfer.

[theSLAYER]

There's an excel file from Collector Togami that highlights what Pokemon CAN be shiny from Gen I.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RkO023ZMvGBnK6Eo0BdB2NjwKrNwEZigDiza6Cvsp7k/edit#gid=0

Re-hosting the table here, in case it goes missing.

In summary
these cannot be shiny:

Spoiler

	010	Caterpie	No
	011	Metapod	No
	012	Butterfree	No
	013	Weedle	No
	014	Kakuna	No
	015	Beedrill	No
	016	Pidgey	No
	017	Pidgeotto	No
	018	Pidgeot	No
	019	Rattata	No
	020	Raticate	No
	021	Spearow	No
	022	Fearow	No
	023	Ekans	No
	024	Arbok	No
	027	Sandshrew	No
	028	Sandslash	No
	039	Jigglypuff	No
	041	Zubat	No
	042	Golbat	No
	043	Oddish	No
	044	Gloom	No
	045	Vileplume	No
	046	Paras	No
	048	Venonat	No
	049	Venomoth	No
	050	Diglett	No
	052	Meowth	No
	053	Persian	No
	056	Mankey	No
	057	Primeape	No
	058	Growlithe	No
	059	Arcanine	No
	066	Machop	No
	067	Machoke	No	Ingame trade but becomes Machamp
	069	Bellsprout	No
	070	Weepinbell	No
	071	Victreebel	No
	074	Geodude	No
	075	Graveler	No	Ingame trade but becomes Golem
	077	Ponyta	No
	078	Rapidash	No
	081	Magnemite	No
	082	Magneton	No
	084	Doduo	No
	085	Dodrio	No
	088	Grimer	No
	090	Shellder	No
	091	Cloyster	No
	092	Gastly	No
	093	Haunter	No	Ingame trade but becomes Gengar
	095	Onix	No
	096	Drowzee	No
	097	Hypno	No
	100	Voltorb	No
	102	Exeggcute	No
	103	Exeggutor	No
	104	Cubone	No
	105	Marowak	No
	109	Koffing	No
	110	Weezing	No
	111	Rhyhorn	No
	113	Chansey	No
	125	Electabuzz	No
	126	Magmar	No
	132	Ditto	No	Lol you wish
	151	Mew	No	Lol you wish

These can (and the circumstance that surrounds it):

Spoiler

001	Bulbasaur	Yes	Gift
002	Ivysaur	Yes	Evolve Gift
003	Venusaur	Yes	Evolve Gift
004	Charmander	Yes	Gift
005	Charmeleon	Yes	Evolve Gift
006	Charizard	Yes	Evolve Gift
007	Squirtle	Yes	Gift
008	Wartortle	Yes	Evolve Gift
009	Blastoise	Yes	Evolve Gift
025	Pikachu	Yes	Yellow starter
026	Raichu	Yes	Evolve Yellow starter in non Yellow game
029	Nidoran-f	Yes	Ingame trade
030	Nidorina	Yes	Game Corner prize
031	Nidoqueen	Yes	Evolve Game Corner prize
032	Nidoran-m	Yes	Ingame trade (JP RG only)
033	Nidorino	Yes	Game Corner prize
034	Nidoking	Yes	Evolve Game Corner prize
035	Clefairy	Yes	Game Corner prize
036	Clefable	Yes	Evolve Game Corner prize
037	Vulpix	Yes	Game Corner prize
038	Ninetales	Yes	Evolve Game Corner prize
040	Wigglytuff	Yes	Game Corner prize
047	Parasect	Yes	Ingame trade
051	Dugtrio	Yes	Ingame trade
054	Psyduck	Yes	Fishing
055	Golduck	Yes	Evolve fishing
060	Poliwag	Yes	Fishing
061	Poliwhirl	Yes	Evolve Fishing
062	Poliwrath	Yes	Evolve Fishing
063	Abra	Yes	Game corner
064	Kadabra	Yes	Game corner
065	Alakazam	Yes	Game corner
068	Machamp	Yes	Ingame trade
072	Tentacool	Yes	Fishing
073	Tentacruel	Yes	Evolve fishing
076	Golem	Yes	Ingame trade JP Blue only
079	Slowpoke	Yes	Fishing
080	Slowbro	Yes	Fishing
083	Farfetchd	Yes	Ingame trade
086	Seel	Yes	Ingame trade
087	Dewgong	Yes	Ingame trade
089	Muk	Yes	Ingame trade
094	Gengar	Yes	Ingame trade JP Blue only
098	Krabby	Yes	Fishing
099	Kingler	Yes	Evolve fishing
101	Electrode	Yes	Ingame trade
106	Hitmonlee	Yes	Gift
107	Hitmonchan	Yes	Gift
108	Lickitung	Yes	Ingame trade
112	Rhydon	Yes	Ingame trade
114	Tangela	Yes	Ingame trade
115	Kangaskhan	Yes	Ingame trade JP Blue only
116	Horsea	Yes	Fishing
117	Seadra	Yes	Fishing
118	Goldeen	Yes	Fishing
119	Seaking	Yes	Fishing
120	Staryu	Yes	Fishing
121	Starmie	Yes	Fishing
122	Mr-mime	Yes	Ingame trade
123	Scyther	Yes	Game corner
124	Jynx	Yes	Ingame trade
127	Pinsir	Yes	Game corner
128	Tauros	Yes	Ingame trade JP Blue only
129	Magikarp	Yes	Fishing
130	Gyarados	Yes	Evolve fishing
131	Lapras	Yes	Gift
133	Eevee	Yes	Gift
134	Vaporeon	Yes	Evolve gift
135	Jolteon	Yes	Evolve gift
136	Flareon	Yes	Evolve gift
137	Porygon	Yes	Game Corner
138	Omanyte	Yes	Gift
139	Omastar	Yes	Gift
140	Kabuto	Yes	Gift
141	Kabutops	Yes	Gift
142	Aerodactyl	Yes	Gift
143	Snorlax	Yes	Interactible
144	Articuno	Yes	Stationary encounter
145	Zapdos	Yes	Stationary encounter
146	Moltres	Yes	Stationary encounter
147	Dratini	Yes	Game Corner
148	Dragonair	Yes	Game Corner
149	Dragonite	Yes	Evolve Game Corner
150	Mewtwo	Yes	Stationary encounter

 

[suloku]

I wonder, does this apply to gen 2 shininess?

Also, why not ditto? Shouldn't one be able to abuse the ditto glitch for that? It's a glitch that was classically made with the red gyarados, but if you already have a 10/10/10/10 pokémon (say, bulbasaur), would that count as illegal? The glitch is less elaborated than the mew glitch in a way that it could happen without the player noticing, but I gess it's a glitch after all.

[theSLAYER]

2 hours ago, suloku said:

I wonder, does this apply to gen 2 shininess?

Also, why not ditto? Shouldn't one be able to abuse the ditto glitch for that? It's a glitch that was classically made with the red gyarados, but if you already have a 10/10/10/10 pokémon (say, bulbasaur), would that count as illegal? The glitch is less elaborated than the mew glitch in a way that it could happen without the player noticing, but I gess it's a glitch after all.

Even if the limitations were the same, a ton of Pokemon can be bred, so that bypassing the "wild Pokemon can't be shiny" problem.

While the process of getting Ditto to transform into a shiny Pokemon (preferably with mimic), then transform again, is convoluted,
it does result in a shiny ditto to be caught.

It'll be legal, since it isn't ACE or Trainer Fly related.

[suloku]

Just now, theSLAYER said:

Even if the limitations were the same, a ton of Pokemon can be bred, so that bypassing the "wild Pokemon can't be shiny" problem.

I was referring to the fact that pokemon bank screw up shiny formula and it's different from standard gen 2, I assumed the list is for the current gen1->7 shiny factor.

[theSLAYER]

Just now, suloku said:

I was referring to the fact that pokemon bank screw up shiny formula and it's different from standard gen 2, I assumed the list is for the current gen1->7 shiny factor.

Until they fix the formula, Gen 2 Shiny Pokemon may become unshiny when transferred, and that sucks.

[suloku]

I seem to not be exaplining myself well:

Collector Togami's list refers to gen1->7 shinies that can actually be catched in game. The list covers those that will have shiny DV as per gen 7 current pokébank formula. What I'm asking is if the list is also applicable to gen1->2 shiny factor (unrelated to gen 7).

Example: caterpie can't be shiny for gen1->7, but can it be shiny for gen1->2?

[theSLAYER]

23 minutes ago, suloku said:

I seem to not be exaplining myself well:

Collector Togami's list refers to gen1->7 shinies that can actually be catched in game. The list covers those that will have shiny DV as per gen 7 current pokébank formula. What I'm asking is if the list is also applicable to gen1->2 shiny factor (unrelated to gen 7).

Example: caterpie can't be shiny for gen1->7, but can it be shiny for gen1->2?

Actually I'm looking for the article regarding that right now.

The reason for why Pokemon can't be shiny in Gen 1 (DVs wise) is due to some algorithm problem relating to DVs generation.
While Pokebank does use a faulty implementation of the shiny stats,
I believe the problem is the same when trading Gen 1 -> 2.

Simply put, it seems not possible for wild encounters to create the wanted DVs in Gen 1.

The article/post should clear the air, if I can find it.

edit:
I think  it's this, and the pastebin inside:
http://wiki.pokemonspeedruns.com/index.php?title=Pokémon_Red/Blue_Wild_DVs

edit2:
I just did a search in the Nidoran DV list,
and none of Gen 2 proper shiny DVs are plausible as well.

I believe my excel formula is working properly.
Check the filters, no "Y" means no shiny.
(ignore the "test", it's just to make sure formula is working)
Ignore the weird textboxes that appear,
it happens when copy and pasting the pastebin.
DV list.xlsx

[coltonsmogon]

2 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Until they fix the formula, Gen 2 Shiny Pokemon may become unshiny when transferred, and that sucks.

And possibly even vice versa (some non-shiny Pokémon might become shiny for some reason during transfer).

[suloku]

If they ever release gen 2 I guess they'll just fix the formula, you aren't supposed to trade back anyways, so your aren't supposed to know they screwed up.

[jojo12100]

19 minutes ago, suloku said:

If they ever release gen 2 I guess they'll just fix the formula, you aren't supposed to trade back anyways, so your aren't supposed to know they screwed up.

If you think as @theSLAYER they are lazy what will they do? Well they'll fix the formula for Gen2 only. Pretty simple ^^

So keep your mons in Gen2 for now. And if they are stupid to keep it like that wait for Pkhex update to keep the Pokemon shyni after transfer.

Edited March 21, 2017 by jojo12100

[theSLAYER]

If they do release Gen 2, it'll likely sport the trading capabilities like VC Gen 1 did,
which will include time capsule, for the fun of it.
(simply so that VC Gen 2 can complete Pokedex, gain access to new moves etc).

Meaning @suloku tradeback will be incorporated.

Any patch for PokeTransporter always took time.

Took them quite awhile to patch recognition of fake "XY" pokemon.

(there was previously a glitch where they allowed hacked Pokemon with X/Y as origin game to transferred up from BW/B2W2,
meaning that transferred Pokemon will have the pentagon)

as @jojo12100 said,
If you have Pokemon that can be shiny based on Gen 2 formula, don't transfer it.
Additionally, if you have Pokemon that can be shiny based on the flawed formula,
transfer it now.

[LilSmooshy]

On 3/22/2017 at 1:59 PM, theSLAYER said:

If they do release Gen 2, it'll likely sport the trading capabilities like VC Gen 1 did,
which will include time capsule, for the fun of it.
(simply so that VC Gen 2 can complete Pokedex, gain access to new moves etc).

Meaning @suloku tradeback will be incorporated.

Any patch for PokeTransporter always took time.

Took them quite awhile to patch recognition of fake "XY" pokemon.

(there was previously a glitch where they allowed hacked Pokemon with X/Y as origin game to transferred up from BW/B2W2,
meaning that transferred Pokemon will have the pentagon)

as @jojo12100 said,
If you have Pokemon that can be shiny based on Gen 2 formula, don't transfer it.
Additionally, if you have Pokemon that can be shiny based on the flawed formula,
transfer it now.

I know the thread is old.

But would VC gen 2 shiny transferred back to VC gen 1 be legal.

Would have to be a mon that can go back through the time capsule.

[theSLAYER]

43 minutes ago, LilSmooshy said:

But would VC gen 2 shiny transferred back to VC gen 1 be legal.

If it was obtained legally, then yes.

Off the top of my head, I think Gen 1 wild grass/cave/surfing encounters will never give shiny DVs via how the RNG works. Only gifts, trades, static and fishing will be able to.

 

46 minutes ago, LilSmooshy said:

Would have to be a mon that can go back through the time capsule.

From Gen 2 to Gen 1, yes.

It just won't appear shiny in Gen 1, but you trade it back to Gen 2, and boom, it's shiny again.

Gen 2 uses DVs to determine whether a mon is shiny, and there is no legit way in-game to manipulate DVs of Pokemon you own.