AurelionColress Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 21 minutes ago, Madbronine said: I'm just going to post my case here for some additional info. Moon = Banned - genned mons [legal], max items [all types], pokemon dex complete, max money, edited trainer location and pokefinder. Sun = not banned - genned Mons [legal], 999x all medicine and item slot items and max money. It seems Pokedex is the main culprit here. My friends who have genned mons from me or themselves are not banned either. The bans are save/game sync only and only restrict you from playing in battle spot, rating battles and global missions. As far as I know the pkhex rules state that you shouldn't be playing battlespot etc with genned mons anyway, so this ban barely matters. I think I deserve the ban but hey it was for science, I wanted to check if getting the shiny charm through the achievement of filling the pokedex was different from just adding it in. I also genned complete National Pokedex and got banned. Could you please check your Moon's Save Data? I want to see whether Pokemon not belong to Alola Dex will be registered. I doubt that what cause the problem is not The National Pokedex but Marshadow's Dex Data. Thank you!
Madbronine Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, AurelionColress said: I also genned complete National Pokedex and got banned. Could you please check your Moon's Save Data? I want to see whether Pokemon not belong to Alola Dex will be registered. I doubt that what cause the problem is not The National Pokedex but Marshadow's Dex Data. Thank you! I checked all for my pokedex entry in pkhex. So I have the full international dex filled with all entries. GF probably checks for pokemon that are unobtainable as that is the most effective way of weeding out obvious hacks. And it has the lowest chance of banning innocent players since they couldn't possibly access them unless they traded locally.
Sabresite Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 For the sake of argument, lets say I wanted to go fully legit. Could I wipe my savegame and be ok? Or would that count as changed data too?
hehrerh Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Sabresite said: For the sake of argument, lets say I wanted to go fully legit. Could I wipe my savegame and be ok? Or would that count as changed data too? I would guess that would depend on if gamesync has already detected the changes. If it's already picked up on illegal changes, then you could be on the chopping block. If it hasn't, then a game restart would theoretically erase any possibility of a ban resulting from the dastardly deeds committed on your original save.
Madbronine Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Sabresite said: For the sake of argument, lets say I wanted to go fully legit. Could I wipe my savegame and be ok? Or would that count as changed data too? Yes, Since you generate a new save and a new game sync id you will just have a clean slate. With pokehex you can always check to be sure, I don't have the time right now but you can: - Backup your save data - Delete the save game, hold UP + B + X in the title screen - Play like normal till you can use game sync - Check if everything is fine Honestly you wouldn't need to do all this but if you want to be 100% sure you have the tools do to so. I just checked the Global link, my account is fine while it has both of my saves linked. It seems GF has put in a check before the game sync occurs, my last game sync on moon was 24th before the banwave and my sun was the 26th after the banwave. The only reason not to go online now on affected saves would be to wait for a definitive answer on why people are getting banned. Removing the irregularity from your save would then "evade" the ban. Edited January 27, 2017 by Madbronine format
Michael728 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Can you access battle spot even your band? Or let me ask what feature can you still use if your ban
karurosu Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 @Deoxyz No GTS no pokebank, just game sync and rating battles.
Kingsob Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Information I've found from msging people that are banned Seems to be linked to the Dex and or Items. Most likely Using PKHex to fill in the Dex. If you don't link your game to an account they can't see any of your information you'll (Should) be fine. Starting the game fresh removes the ban, Using an old save file seems to also remove the ban if it's before you linked your account (Not 100% sure) Edited January 27, 2017 by Kingsob
winkun24 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Well, I was really afraid that I would be banned since I genned in Marshadow and its already registered into my Dex both in-game and the Pokebank. For other mons, I obtained them legit(caught + GTS). However, I was not banned and can get in the Battle Spot just fine, so I guess it's nothing to do with your Pokedex Entries?
XerneusGuy Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 I don't know if it's important now but I got banned on Moon. Genned mons, Full Dex using PKHeX and 990 of every item and berry including unlreased items and Mega Stones. May also be worth noting I uploaded a Gen 1 Mew to the GTS
AurelionColress Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Madbronine said: I checked all for my pokedex entry in pkhex. So I have the full international dex filled with all entries. GF probably checks for pokemon that are unobtainable as that is the most effective way of weeding out obvious hacks. And it has the lowest chance of banning innocent players since they couldn't possibly access them unless they traded locally. I appreciate your research on it. So that means although the National Pokedex will not be displayed, the data of the Pokemon(like Charizard) has already been registered? I didn't genned any theoretically illegal Pokemon but also got banned. Also I didn't participate Rating Battle and online competition. I don't think this will have something to do with Pokemons. The only I can do is clear the Pokedex, Items and change the game sync id....Anyway, thank you. Edited January 27, 2017 by AurelionColress
lurv2lurk Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Is there a chance edits such as the remove outlines mod would trigger a ban? Anyone using this been hit?
LifeMushroom Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) I think genning legal Pokemon won't get you banned? Can someone confirm? I'm hearing too much contradictory information, and I'm still scared of using it, because if I get banned, then rip my save file. Edited January 27, 2017 by LifeMushroom
Kingsob Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 25 minutes ago, LifeMushroom said: I think genning legal Pokemon won't get you banned? Can someone confirm? I'm hearing too much contradictory information, and I'm still scared of using it, because if I get banned, then rip my save file. Seems to have nothing to do with Genning pokemon. Its more about the Dex and items
LifeMushroom Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Is there a way to desync from Game Sync? Is there a way to backup save data if you get banned so you can restore it?
Hide Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 I wouldn't be so scared; it could have been anything from powersaves to PKHEX. As a game-shark user from the gameboy era, I noticed that generating Pokémon or (anything else) trough HEX editing was not a simple task. Your code has to take into account all the stuff involved with the changes you make: For example, sometimes, in-game acquired items trigger changes in your save/game, while "illegally acquired items" do not. If you own the original code, you can “quickly” scan the game and detect such irregularities. It was rather obvious when the things scaled to GBA and the DS, it was a pain getting your Pokémon right. I remember it was when the first “Pokémon consistency check” software was launched. Perhaps there will be need for a “Pokémon saved-game consistency check” software, in the future? If you ask me, I think it most of it was powersaves, because their codes do not take into account trainer data or the fine details. As far as I know or as far as I am concerned, they just duplicate the same stuff in whatever saved-game you tamper with. That happens when you are deprived from making your own codes. On the other side, I believe PKHEX is primarily intended to help you grow with your Pokémon and have fun with them; I don't know how PKHEX works from the inside, but if I was going to work with save data, I would try my best to make my edits work -exclusively- with my target-data. And I think the science behind PKHEX's is focused on that subject. As long as you stay within the boundaries, you will be fine, I think. So, it is pretty obvious to me: Whatever method they employed, those bans are the result from exceeding the limits of the game using external devices. Pretty much, it was people getting greedy. I did not expect that people capable of editing their saves were so privileged… I think that 6'000 of banned individuals is a very small number (considering market size and demography). You can always start over, just take smarter shortcuts. 2
neto3333 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 If i dont have my game synced can i get banned??
Hide Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, neto3333 said: If i dont have my game synced can i get banned?? Editing your save-data is not a guaranteed ban. You need to connect to their servers, and they need to tell whether or not you changed the information they care about. That's why people recommend not connecting to Pokémon servers at the moment.
Hide Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 13 hours ago, Sabresite said: For the sake of argument, lets say I wanted to go fully legit. Could I wipe my savegame and be ok? Or would that count as changed data too? I believe you will be OK. Isn't your Pokémon player ID different from your Device & Marketplace User ID? Market wise, it would not be good banning a device, lest they disturb their other franchises.
neto3333 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Simmsy said: Here what i seen about these bans Can someone confirm and say if someone has been banned with the pkhex??
JustZer0 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Hi guys. I've just ended to read everything of this topic. I'm new in the world of PkHeX and I was scared about using it. I've downloaded it just yesterday, before this post creation. I've created a few LEGIT pokèmon such as Arcanine and something else in order to be legit. I'm playing on Pokemon Sun and what I did with Hex was just create some legit pokemon with some item with them like assault vest etc. I didnt get banned even If I used the global link. I've alsod did a trade with a friend. So what I think is that ppl who got banned just did a wrong usage of sav like hacked pokedex and some locked pokemon such as Shiny tapu. I dont know if this might help you a bit. With Hex I haven't changed my char name/location and other stuff. 2
LifeMushroom Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 So I guess we can try using PKHex for legal Pokemon now.
JustZer0 Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, LifeMushroom said: So I guess we can try using PKHex for legal Pokemon now. I think it's better wait more time to see if is a stuff releted with items or locked pokemon
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