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no idea. If both games on same patch and both consoles on same firmware should work.

For Gen 6 and 7, they’re thought to be sufficiently random and not linked between the different stats. It would not be detected illegal presently, if you don’t make any other weird changes.

Fair enough. Yup, HT/WT gets assigned in HOME. And when the mon enters SV, it copies HT to the variable Scale, before it enters SV (Scale is used by SV to visually show sizes of stuff) The only time SV gives HT/WT of stuff, is for stuff that is generated in SV, so it wouldn't apply to stuff caught/bred outside of SV.

While Gen 5 has some slight PID correlations, if a mon is caught/bred in Gen 5, there’s no PID to IV. While I agree with that statement, I cannot be certain that principle was what Powersaves was aiming to tackle with their shiny code. Hence why I said what I said.

And for the record, if the Pokémon's origin isn't a SV game, then absolutely no. The HT/WT/Scale was GIVEN BY HOME. It is generate/rerolled in HOME. It has the data before it even enters SV. No offense, I think you have no idea what you're saying, and might be unconsciously bending known facts to fit your mental narrative, to justify you being able to whatever size you want. It is likely an unconscious cognitive bias, and not a personal attack. Just pointing it out before you fully commit to that train of thought. It is true that if a mon was caught/bred in SV, HOME would absolutely have no way of knowing what size it was supposed to have before entering SV, but then you encounter a different breed of issues: the size is defined by RNG, and what if that RNG state was correlated, and became public knowledge after? Changing HT/WT/Scale could break that. A lot of people in Gen 8 didn't know there were RNG correlations (cause at that time it wasn't discovered), and all the edits became illegal. So both sides (pre-HOME and post-HOME) of the coin you're causing trouble for yourself. Literally keeps tracks of data structures. HOME probably doesn’t assign the space for every piece of data to a user, but instead give all of them a list of trackers regarding what mons a user has, done for space saving purposes. In any case I’m not too interested in discussing how to beat HOME’s TOS; this feels like it’s slowly moving to that direction. You probably shouldn’t. When a HOME Tracker changes (if it mutates data from a previously valid tracker), it Carries forward all valid data from the previous tracker. That said, HOME could easily bring forward the previous tracker too, making a chain of trackers. Meaning they can follow the chain to find the first entry point, and see who is the first device that brought stuff over. I feel like I've already tackled the original queries, plus more, in this thread. Any last questions from the people that are in this thread, before I lock this thread?

It’s not working per se. If you deposited it into HOME, and viewed it from HOME mobile, you’ll probably see it has no ball. If you transfer them into other games via HOME, it’ll appear incorrect in those games. You’re better off using unedited copies of mons from my HOME compatible living dex.

Then that’s wrong. They must enter HOME from the correct games. And that game differs based on origin game.

Yeah they should have. People are just documenting the changes as it happens, wondering why. Anyhow, no worries

And how did it enter HOME?

Once again, don’t edit anything that has been through HOME. OT was by HOME for sanitisation reason, be it invalid characters, language mismatched characters, censorship, etc.

We don’t operate under PowerSaves, so wouldn’t know for sure until we see an example of the changed file.

If it has been through HOME before, it would have obtained a HOME tracker. As long as you don’t edit any of the immutables on the file, then it should be fine.

Yea if it’s triangular it is possible 1/16512. But out of all the people that have done it, I’ve not heard reports stating it’s possible, so who knows. Not safe. Whether they’re clones doesn’t matter. HT/WT appears to be assigned randomly (if they didn’t already have it). Don’t edit anything that has a HOME tracker.

I'm sorry, is the issue loading the save into PKHeX, or loading the save back into your game? It loads into PKHeX just fine. (A lot of illegal stuff lol)

@apri I figured out how it works (in terms of why I had mons that were HTWT 0). But you’re probably out of luck. if you want to keep a Bank transfer Pokémon to have HT/WT 0 (resulting in scale 0) in HOME v3.0.0 (and other stuff, such as old HOME events), it needs to have entered PLA before v3.0.0. Once it gains a scale, that value sticks, and the HT/WT doesn’t get rerolled. As of now the rerolling is random, as I’ve got clones that gets different values, meaning it’s likely not derived from some other value on the Mon. edit: If you're looking at the chance to generate a mini/jumbo via HOME, read the Tweet thread

I think all PLA uniques evolutions are known to have this false flag right now. Wait for a PKHeX update

You likely injected your mons (presumably their templates show them as caught from other games, you did not mention that) into PLA. The way HOME works, is that any legitimate Pokémon sent you from Bank effectively goes into “SWSH data” first (HOME has many subcategories). So any Pokémon from the previous games need to go into “SWSH data slot” from SWSH first. If their game of origin isn’t PLA, you cannot enter from PLA first, that is just how HOME works. The fix would be to transfer them from Bank properly, or have them enter HOME from SWSH. Note that you can only send from SWSH if their species exist in SWSH. Read this if you’re interested in the technical details:

Get someone to actually transfer the mon into HOME. This way it'll have a HOME tracker. After that, you can use PKHeX to convert the PK8 into a PK9 for usage in SV.

You can make it appear legal, but if you ever need to use HOME to transfer them to other games, they’ll look and be illegal. It won’t be detected in the sense that “you’ll be banned” or any negative consequence will come to you, but it’ll effectively become illegal; it is just how HOME works. You’ll be going against how HOME works and stores the data, resulting in illegal Pokémon.

PKHeX isn’t fully updated to deal with old transfers. Even then, if you didn’t receive an XD Mon in SWSH, transferring it back from SV would yield an illegal Pokémon, due to data being missing and it not having a proper HOME Tracker.

Upload the new save you just made

I was moving them to and fro. originally, they entered HOME A and SWSH, PLA, and LGPE in v2.0.0 After HOME v3.0.0, they entered HOME B, and went to and fro SV, then finally went back in and out of HOME A to have a different HOME tracker.

Yup! Give that a try

Not event news. Thread moved.

Stuff that has been through HOME before v3.0.0 gets size 0, yes. Yes but v3.0.0 supposedly gives those Pokémon a proper size. Meaning none of them should be non-zero; it fixes them retroactively. Why some of them non-zero for me, I can only theorise that it involves me swapping them across different HOME accounts. Maybe they only fix non-zero to HOME existing HOME trackers at that point, and the act of me entering from a HOME (hence getting those assigned different trackers) circumnavigated that. However I cannot be sure, as not all my old Pokémon are non-zero, only some.