Suicune from FireRed

[Wizkid]

Hi, i trade this Suicune today..It look legit, but the Iv's makes me suspicious..

Cune.pkm

[Sabresite]

Its hacked. Roaming dogs should say "Roaming GBA" when put through legal.

[Wizkid]

Many thanks Sabresite ^^..just for my knowledge, "Roaming GBA" which Type number has?

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Ah ok, maybe is Wild NDS or GBA?

[Sabresite]

It is Normal NDS/GBA or Wild NDS/GBA, but becuase the IVs are limited, when you put it through Legal.exe, it will say Roaming GBA.

[Wizkid]

Ok thank you..But the Suicune that we can download from Project Pokemon is a Wild NDS or GBA, this because it was traded to Ruby from FireRed?I don't understand...

[Eon-Rider]

It is Normal NDS/GBA or Wild NDS/GBA, but becuase the IVs are limited, when you put it through Legal.exe, it will say Roaming GBA.

Could you tell us what the limits of each of the IVs are?

[Sabresite]

The in-game Pokemon from our main site will be taken down because some are hacks.

[Wizkid]

Another Cune, this was traded from HG to Platinum..As well the first dog, flawless IVs...RNG Abuse or Hacked pokemon?

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[KazoWAR]

Another Cune, this was traded from HG to Platinum..As well the first dog, flawless IVs...RNG Abuse or Hacked pokemon?

Hacked.

Suicune's Nature and IVs.

PokeRNG spread report for BOLD nature, 30+ IVs in all stats.

743398494F e768c909 (BOLD, ability 1) 30/31/31/31/31/31 (Seed: 0d17025b Frame: 473) HP DRAGON 70

945359573F 0a3d505e (BOLD, ability 0) 31/30/31/31/31/30 (Seed: a6120316 Frame: 1643) HP PSYCHIC 70

1512890961F b4e5fc90 (BOLD, ability 0) 31/30/30/30/30/31 (Seed: 6e150113 Frame: 308) HP POISON 70

2005666391F 85f1be0b (BOLD, ability 1) 30/31/30/30/31/31 (Seed: 6e10039c Frame: 1823) HP GRASS 70

2719606830F e4f44b17 (BOLD, ability 1) 30/31/30/30/31/30 (Seed: d00a00ec Frame: 934) HP FIRE 70

2857098624F cbc3fad4 (BOLD, ability 0) 30/30/30/31/30/30 (Seed: ce01017c Frame: 104) HP GROUND 70

3482816184F 4167fe3a (BOLD, ability 0) 31/31/31/30/31/31 (Seed: 240402fe Frame: 550) HP ELECTRIC 70

3517876899F 5845fc7e (BOLD, ability 0) 31/31/31/31/31/30 (Seed: d10c00ef Frame: 538) HP ICE 70

RNG Reporter's Seed to Time function.

Suicune's Capure Date.

The seed needed to RNG abuse that set is impossible to hit on that date.

[Wizkid]

PokeRNG works in HG&SS too?

[Sabresite]

No, it does NOT work in HG/SS - Mingot is working on a new one.

[KazoWAR]

No, it does NOT work in HG/SS - Mingot is working on a new one.

It does work.

How to RNG, Part 1:

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How to RNG, Part 2:

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[Parma]

This concept is new to me. Just... what exactly does RNG'ing do?

Sounds useful..

[Sukeny]

Then you can tell if a pkm is hack using the RNG reporter if Pokesav been created despite passing the LegitCheck as legal?

And as is find the seed of Suicune in question?

Entonces se puede saber si un pkm es hack por medio del RNG reporter si a sido creado con Pokesav a pesar de pasar por el Legitcheck como legal?

Y como se encuentra la seed de ese suicune en cuestión?

[Sabresite]

Legality Checker doesn't do RNG report verifications yet. I haven't had time to speak with mingot about getting it implimented properly.

EDIT:

According to the RNG reporter when I use it, I get a seed of:

C8080A94

and it generates:

Frame 5, PID 1097334330 on 10/07/2009, at time 00:00:08

Did I do something wrong?

[kazumi213]

Hacked.

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Suicune's Capure Date. (20091007)

The seed needed to RNG abuse that set is impossible to hit on that date.

Sorry KazoWAR, I'm not sure whether I'm correctly using RNG Reporter (v7.10), but how about this?

[OmegaDonut]

kazumi is correct. It is possible to obtain Suicune on that seed, and many others as well. PokeRNG only displays seeds that match a certain constraint (like delay time) and it only displays one.

Imagine the RNG as a giant circle. The flawless Suicune is at one point of the circle, the seed is your starting point. You can reach that Suicune from any starting point if you travel far enough, but since that circle consists of ~4.3 billion points, it's best to start nearby.

I prefer RNG Reporter's Seed Finder with Open Search checked. It finds all the nearby seeds for any given spread, not just one.

[kazumi213]

Exactly my point. The date-PID relation exists, of course. But it can be used for legality checks only if OT claims for RNG abuse as method for getting the pokemon (not part of the data in PKM file). Then a "feasibility" estimation of this claim can be performed, which is usually based on ability to attain the required "Delay" according to RNG Reporter. For me this is inconclusive too. You could attain any required delay on emulator.

Otherwise OT just needs to claim for a random capture. My previous post shows a completely feasible set of conditions for such a capture. Just remember that people can take as much time as they want before pressing A/Start button at titlescreen, and that yes, it can be "exactly" the required time for an incredible capture.

[ZMaster]

Hacked.

Suicune's Nature and IVs.

PokeRNG spread report for BOLD nature, 30+ IVs in all stats.

RNG Reporter's Seed to Time function.

Suicune's Capure Date.

The seed needed to RNG abuse that set is impossible to hit on that date.

So... to truly make a legit Pokémon, you need to use what's generated in PokeRNG? Just generating a legit PID doesn't make it legit?

[OmegaDonut]

So... to truly make a legit Pokémon, you need to use what's generated in PokeRNG? Just generating a legit PID doesn't make it legit?

No. As kazumi and I just explained in the last two posts, there is no way to determine legitimacy from the date and IVs alone. You can get virtually any set of IVs on any date. mingot (the RNG Reporter developer) will tell you the same thing.

[ZMaster]

No. As kazumi and I just explained in the last two posts, there is no way to determine legitimacy from the date and IVs alone. You can get virtually any set of IVs on any date. mingot (the RNG Reporter developer) will tell you the same thing.

Oh, okay. Thank you. I didn't see the second page of posts. Lol.