Beta: the pokécheck legality checker for generation 5

[Redfire66]

Pokéchecked my Lapras, supposedly Dragon Dance was "Hacked / Event only (349)"? I'm pretty sure this is a bug because Lapras can get Dragon Dance through breeding.

[TheMantyke]

Over the course of the last few days, I've found a few false positives using Pokecheck.

1) Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect aren't immediately deemed hacked. This Genesect for example passes the legality test despite obviously being illegal. http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=408680

2) Zorua and Zoroark sometimes come up as hacked if shiny, even if they're not from the ingame event. This Zorua and Zoroark, both the same Pokemon, are coming up as illegal even though they were bred. http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=419076

3) Evolved Pokemon from Gen 4 onwards are not immediately disqualified as hacked. This Haxorus which the creator has admitted to have created is coming up a legal even though it's in an egg. http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=431177

On a final minor note, have you ever considered changing the "Invalid egg recieve date" to a more specific "Recieve date is in the future" message? I've noticed that the current message is sort of vague and confusing to new users.

[Shiny Sheimi]

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=439460

This is the Nzone event Pikachu from an in-life event in New York, but Move 1 is saying "Hacked/Event Only" - is there any possibility that data could be collected on which special moves match to which event OTs and IDs, so that the checker knows whether or not the event move is compatible with the OT and ID of that particular event?

[calvin_0]

creator of pokecheck, can you explain why some of my pokemon have this message? -> "This Pokémon is likely edited or RNG abused". do i need to worry about pokemon with this message turning into a bad egg when ported into future console?

like this pokemon below

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=423098 (legally breed, but edited with pokegen)

and yet all this pokemon below have the same origin and yet they dont carry that message.. why?

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=440870 (legally breed, but edited with pokegen)

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=423114 (legally breed, but edited with pokegen)

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=423101 (created with pokegen from scratch)

i just want to make sure all my pokemon doesnt get turn into a bad egg in future expension or disqualified from taking part in official event (not that i'll be taking part in them, but i just like to have that option open for me)

[TheMantyke]

What does "This Pokemon is likely editted or RNG abused" mean?

That flag is just a warning that the IVs of the Pokemon are abnormally high. This usually means that the Pokemon was either an RNG manipulated Pokemon or was editted. In your first example, your Zoroark's IVs were very high with only a sinlge stat under 30. In your other examples, they all had mediocre IVs. You have absolutely nothing to fear, traditional breeds with fantastic IVs often set off this flag as well.

Edited September 20, 2011 by TheMantyke
Grammar and slight elaboration

[calvin_0]

That flag is just a warning that the IVs of the Pokemon are abnormally high. This usually means that the Pokemon was either an RNG manipulated Pokemon or was editted. In your first example, your Zoroark's IVs were very high with only a sinlge stat under 30. In your other examples, they all had mediocre IVs. You have absolutely nothing to fear, traditional breeds with fantastic IVs often set off this flag as well.

i see, thanks

[tulleh]

My Tyranitar, which is supposed to have been bred in Soul Silver and then transferred to Black has the egg move Pursuit flagged as Hacked or Event only.

Also the nickname had trash bytes removed, is this fine? How can I change it?

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=445764

Edited September 23, 2011 by tulleh

[luifer39]

What is that of Pokerus Type 1.1, are other types???

[EXEC_HARMONIOUS/.]

What is that of Pokerus Type 1.1, are other types???

I'm not sure how the different Pokerus types work, but yes, there are other types. My Victini has legit Pokerus that the site identifies as type 7.3, and my Linoone has hacked Pokerus that the site identifies as the default strain.

[luifer39]

Thank you , for answer but Im still have my doubt about the type, what is the difference of a Pokerus Type 1.1 and a Type 7.3, I see others like Type 6.1 and 5.1

[Shiny Sheimi]

I hacked this Charmander and put it into an egg and, so that it had valid nickname trash bytes, I loaded it into the game, hatched it, and nicknamed it there legitimately, but it shows as having an invalid terminator sequence.

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=451640

[xfr]

i showed pokecheck how to check a lot of pids, but i don't think he realizes that the roamers aren't generated like wild pokemon.

I tried to find our discussion about it but it seems I lost it (maybe I was on a laptop at that time). I'll try to ask you on IRC to fix that asap.

I've noticed that being nicknamed with any species name is considered hacked by Pokecheck, not just the species name of the Pokemon being checked.

There was a bug there, it should be fixed.

On this Wormadam I RNG'd on my HeartGold (because I'm a boss like that and RNG on HeartGold, not Diamond), 3, that's right, 3, of its moves are coming up as hacked.

Movesets for the Wormadam forms (other than plants) were wrong. It seems they are not in the veekun data for some reason. I hopefully fixed all (including TMs/tutors and checking there's no moves from other forms).

Pokéchecked my Lapras, supposedly Dragon Dance was "Hacked / Event only (349)"? I'm pretty sure this is a bug because Lapras can get Dragon Dance through breeding.

Dragon Dance should be recognized, it's probably a problem with your Pokémon unless you post a link to confirm the problem.

Over the course of the last few days, I've found a few false positives using Pokecheck.

I fixed those.

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=439460

This is the Nzone event Pikachu from an in-life event in New York, but Move 1 is saying "Hacked/Event Only" - is there any possibility that data could be collected on which special moves match to which event OTs and IDs, so that the checker knows whether or not the event move is compatible with the OT and ID of that particular event?

Not until I have a complete database of ALL past events. I discussed this with Sabresite, hopefully this will be done someday.

My Tyranitar, which is supposed to have been bred in Soul Silver and then transferred to Black has the egg move Pursuit flagged as Hacked or Event only.

Also the nickname had trash bytes removed, is this fine? How can I change it?

It's probably pokesaved. Pursuit is an egg move and it doesn't have a egg location or date.

Thank you , for answer but Im still have my doubt about the type, what is the difference of a Pokerus Type 1.1 and a Type 7.3, I see others like Type 6.1 and 5.1

The difference between Pokérus types is still unknown. I have some hypotheseses but never bothered checking if they were true.

In other news support for Colosseum and Pokémon has been greatly improved. All XD/C moves should come up as valid now and thanks to the new research by OmegaDonut/Kaphotics/others (don't want to get into the ongoing argument about who did what) the PID/IVs are checked.

The nature checks will be added whenever someone explains to me how they work (I'm rather tired of the Dolphin debugger that keeps crashing so I won't be looking into it myself).

[Dreamer]

Lol i abused for my ID to be 0 and my tepig is showing up as hacked.Linky

I don't know if this should be fixed,since most times 0 ID indicates hacks,but you can get it through rng reporter as well!

Also not even a big deal,but probably in game trades are considered hacks,too?

I have uploaded Hornlette,the Rhyhorn you get from Brock if you want,check it out

Very nice work Pokecheck,keep it up!!!

[FrostDragon492]

Chatter, Transform, and Struggle are showing up as valid on a Smeargle, though it can't actually get those moves.

Link: http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=390514

[xfr]

Thanks, it's fixed

[RNGdude]

Hi.

I have noticed that wild Arceus are considered legit despite the azure flute being unreleased.

However, they do say they were encountered in Tall Grass at Level 100 so they must be cheated unless certain information is lost upon transfer. I'm not an expert on how it works.

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=460913

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=460909

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=460886

Also Pokemon at a Level below their Level of capture are given a valid level.

[luifer39]

I breed my Ralts in Emerald and palparked to my Diamond version to level up to Gallade, now said that "This pokémon didn't exist in gen 3".

I know that the page said "Gallade" dont exist in Gen 3, but that's the reason

[OmegaDonut]

Chatter, Transform, and Struggle are showing up as valid on a Smeargle, though it can't actually get those moves.

Link: http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=390514

Transform is a legit move on Smeargle. It can be Sketched if you Taunt a Ditto and immediately sketch Transform the next turn.

[xfr]

Transform is a legit move on Smeargle. It can be Sketched if you Taunt a Ditto and immediately sketch Transform the next turn.

Fair enough, Taunt is "unfixed".

[xxSkedz24xx]

Leech Seed (valid egg move since Gen IV) shows up as hacked on Abomasnow. Proof: http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=463695

Encore (valid egg move again) shows up as hacked on Abra: http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=463737

[xfr]

They show up as hacked because they are hacked.

[TheMantyke]

This is a very minor concern, but occasionally genderless Pokemon will be listed as potential chain breed parents. My Kabuto has Staryu and Starmie listed as potential parents for the combination of Bubblebeam and Rapid Spin.

The Kabuto: http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=422280

[xfr]

No more genderless or female only parent now.

[Blaziken257]

I have a Deoxys with Pursuit, but the legality checker says it's illegal:

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=502226

The Deoxys is at Level 30. In Generation III, where the Deoxys originated, it learns Pursuit at Level 20. In subsequent generations, it learns it at Level 33, which seems to throw the legality checker off.

[Hozu]

Uh... What happened here? All four of those are completely legal and the moves were tutored by myself in SS. Before the shoutbox was disabled only Magic Coat showed up as hacked. The pokemon itself is not hacked as I bred it myself as well.

I've noticed that this pokemon was fixed regarding previous gen tutor moves so perhaps that could have been the issue? Note that my pokemon is from 3rd gen, the tutor moves are from 4th gen, and it's currently in 5th gen.

Edit: Thank you, the moves check out properly now.

Edited October 30, 2011 by Hozu