wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) Didn't you hate how easy the gym leaders were (aside from Whitney's killer Miltank)? This is just a theoretical proposal to make each and every Gym Leaders challenging in-game. If there are any objections... or if stuff looks too hard, let me know. Johto Gym Leaders Falkner: Comparison Video: [sprite]163[/sprite] Hoothoot level 12 - Mud Slap - Growl - Peck - Foresight [sprite]021[/sprite] Spearow level 13 - Pursuit - Fury Attack - Leer - Mud Slap [sprite]017[/sprite] Pidgeotto level 14 - Gust - Mud Slap - Twister - Quick Attack Bugsy: Comparison Video: [sprite]012[/sprite] Butterfree level 18 - Stun Spore - Sleep Powder - Confusion - Gust [sprite]193[/sprite] Yanma level 17 - Quick Attack - Detect - Sonicboom - U-turn [sprite]123[/sprite] Scyther level 20 Ability: they're usually class 1, but if it's possible to change, Technician - Pursuit - Fury Cutter - Quick Attack - Vacuum Wave (trainers tend to use retarded moves sometimes) Whitney: Comparison Video: [sprite]035[/sprite] Clefairy level 22 Ability: Magic Guard - Metronome - Cosmic Power - Wake Up Slap - Sing [sprite]162[/sprite] Furret level 23 - Attract - Sucker Punch - Thunderpunch - Fury Swipes [sprite]241[/sprite] Miltank level 24 - Milk Drink - Attract - Rollout - Stomp Morty: Comparison Video: Note: I lost to him before when I didn't bring my Butterfree >_< [sprite]093[/sprite] Haunter level 27 - Hypnosis - Nightmare - Dream Eater - Mean Look [sprite]200[/sprite] Misdreavus level 28 - Pain Split - Energy Ball - Confuse Ray - Shadow Ball [sprite]094[/sprite] Gengar level 30@Sitrus Berry - Hypnosis - Shadow Ball - Thunderbolt - Dream Eater [sprite]093[/sprite] Haunter level 29 - Thunderpunch - Ice Punch - Fire Punch - Confuse Ray Chuck: Comparison Video: [sprite]067[/sprite] Machoke level 35 - Submission - Thunderpunch - Swagger - Dynamicpunch [sprite]057[/sprite] Primeape level 34 - Swagger - Fire Punch - Assurance - Seismic Toss [sprite]062[/sprite] Poliwrath level 37@Sitrus Berry - Mind Reader - Dynamicpunch - Hypnosis - Ice Punch Jasmine: Comparison Video: [sprite]227[/sprite] Skarmory level 38 - Spikes - Agility - Steel Wing - Rock Slide [sprite]082[/sprite] Magneton level 40 - Flash Cannon - Thunderbolt - Magnet Rise - Signal Beam [sprite]208[/sprite] Steelix level 42@Sitrus Berry - Curse - Iron Tail - Earthquake - Sunny Day <--- (that move was in the original... but it's SO funny, I had to keep it) Pryce: Comparison Video: [sprite]091[/sprite] Cloyster level 44 - Icy Wind - Brine - Toxic - Protect [sprite]087[/sprite] Dewgong level 45 - Ice Shard - Aqua Jet - Safeguard - Signal Beam [sprite]221[/sprite] Piloswine level 46@Sitrus Berry - Amnesia - Earthquake - Blizzard - Hail [sprite]124[/sprite] Jynx level 45 - Ice Beam - Psychic - Shadow Ball - Lovely Kiss Clair: Comparison Video: [sprite]130[/sprite] Gyarados level 48 - Ice Fang - Earthquake - Dragon Pulse <--- more retarded attacks for in game people - Waterfall [sprite]148[/sprite] Dragonair level 49 - Dragon Rush - Safeguard - Aqua Tail - Blizzard [sprite]230[/sprite] Kingdra level 50@Sitrus Berry - Dragon Pulse - Hydro Pump - Outrage - Hyper Beam [sprite]148[/sprite] Dragonair level 49 - Dragon Pulse - Thunder Wave - Flamethrower - Thunderbolt The Elite 4: First Round Will: [sprite]178[/sprite] Xatu level 52 - Confuse Ray - Future Sight - Wish - Psychic [sprite]124[/sprite] Jynx level 53 - Lovely Kiss - Grass Knot - Ice Beam - Reflect [sprite]103[/sprite] Exeggutor level 53 - Sleep Powder - Wood Hammer - Psychic - Leech Seed [sprite]080[/sprite] Slowbro level 53 - Yawn - Surf - Flamethrower - Slack Off [sprite]178[/sprite] Xatu level 54@Sitrus Berry - Wish - Protect - Night Shade - Psychic Koga: [sprite]049[/sprite] Venomoth level 55 If possible, Ability Tinted Lens - Sleep Powder - Psychic - Bug Buzz - Gust [sprite]089[/sprite] Muk level 56 - Acid Armor - Toxic - Shadow Sneak - Ice Punch [sprite]205[/sprite] Forretress level 57 - Spikes - Gyro Ball - Toxic Spikes - Earthquake [sprite]110[/sprite] Weezing level 56 - Will-o-Wisp - Sludge Bomb - Thunderbolt - Flamethrower [sprite]169[/sprite] Crobat level 57@Sitrus Berry - Aerial Ace - Confuse Ray - Roost - X-Scissor Bruno: [sprite]237[/sprite] Hitmontop level 58 - Fake Out - Mach Punch - Pursuit - Counter [sprite]208[/sprite] Steelix level 59 <--- three years of training... there's NO excuse this guy left him as an Onix... NONE! - Stone Edge - Crunch - Earthquake - Gyro Ball [sprite]106[/sprite] Hitmonlee level 58 - Fake Out - Foresight - Close Combat - Blaze Kick [sprite]107[/sprite] Hitmonchan level 58 Ability: Hoping for Iron Fist - Agility - Thunderpunch - Fire Punch - Ice Punch [sprite]068[/sprite] Machamp level 60@Sitrus Berry Ability: No Guard - Dynamicpunch - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Bulk Up Karen [sprite]197[/sprite] Umbreon level 60 - Confuse Ray - Sand Attack - Dark Pulse - Moonlight [sprite]198[/sprite] Murkrow level 61 <--- I'm not sure about this Pokemon - Heat Wave - Drill Peck - Dark Pulse - Psychic [sprite]045[/sprite] Vileplume level 60 - Stun Spore - Moonlight - Sunny Day - Solarbeam [sprite]094[/sprite] Gengar level 62 - Hypnosis - Thunderbolt - Shadow Ball - Destiny Bond Note: In GSC the moveset was: Lick, Spite, Curse, Destiny Bond O_O [sprite]229[/sprite] Houndoom level 63@Sitrus Berry - Crunch - Flamethrower - Dark Pulse - Torment And this is the last member of the E4? Fail! The Champion... Lance: [sprite]130[/sprite] Gyarados level 61 - Waterfall - Hyper Beam - Earthquake - Stone Edge [sprite]149[/sprite] Dragonite level 63 - Thunder Wave - Hyper Beam - Thunderbolt - Dragon Claw [sprite]149[/sprite] Dragonite level 63 - Toxic - Hyper Beam - Ice Beam - Dragon Pulse [sprite]142[/sprite] Aerodactyl level 64 - Rock Slide - Earthquake - Aerial Ace - Giga Impact [sprite]006[/sprite] Charizard level 64 - Sunny Day - Flamethrower - Solarbeam - Dragon Pulse [sprite]149[/sprite] Dragonite level 66@Sitrus Berry - Dragon Dance - Roost - Earthquake - Outrage Kanto Gym Leaders Lt. Surge: [sprite]125[/sprite] Electabuzz level 53 - Ice Punch - Thunderbolt - Fire Punch - Light Screen [sprite]101[/sprite] Electrode level 55 - Charge Beam - Explosion - Screech - Rollout [sprite]082[/sprite] Magneton level 54 - Lock On - Magnet Rise - Tri Attack - Zap Cannon [sprite]101[/sprite] Electrode level 55 - Explosion - Rain Dance - Thunder - Signal Beam [sprite]026[/sprite] Raichu level 56@Sitrus Berry - Nasty Plot - Thunderbolt - Grass Knot - Brick Break Sabrina: [sprite]122[/sprite] Mr. Mime level 58 - Reflect - Light Screen - Baton Pass - Thunderbolt [sprite]196[/sprite] Espeon level 60 - Calm Mind - Baton Pass - Psychic - Shadow Ball [sprite]065[/sprite] Alakazam level 61@Sitrus Berry - Focus Blast - Charge Beam - Psychic - Future Sight Erika: [sprite]189[/sprite] Jumpluff level 59 - Sleep Powder - Encore - Leech Seed - Giga Drain <--- retarded moves [sprite]114[/sprite] Tangela level 58 - Stun Spore - Giga Drain - Sludge Bomb - Shock Wave [sprite]103[/sprite] Exeggutor level 60 - Sleep Powder - Reflect - Sunny Day - Solarbeam [sprite]071[/sprite] Victreebel level 63 - Sleep Powder - Leaf Blade - Swords Dance - Sludge Bomb [sprite]182[/sprite] Bellossom level 63@Sitrus Berry - Safeguard - Leaf Storm - Drain Punch - Toxic Janine: Note: I have to give her stuff to make sure she doesn't outclass her father [sprite]169[/sprite] Crobat level 49 - Hypnosis - Nasty Plot - Sludge Bomb - Shadow Ball [sprite]168[/sprite] Ariados level 48 - Spider Web - Baton Pass - Double Team - Poison Jab [sprite]024[/sprite] Arbok level 49 Hoping for Intimidate - Gunk Shot - Gastro Acid - Thunder Fang - Earthquake [sprite]110[/sprite] Weezing level 48 - Dark Pulse - Sludge Bomb - Fire Blast - Thunder [sprite]049[/sprite] Venomoth level 51@Sitrus Berry - Supersonic - Gust - Psychic - Sludge Bomb Misty: [sprite]055[/sprite] Golduck level 57 - Psychic - Ice Punch - Cross Chop - Disable [sprite]195[/sprite] Quagsire level 58 - Earthquake - Ice Beam - Rain Dance - Muddy Water [sprite]121[/sprite] Starmie level 61@Sitrus Berry - Recover - Thunderbolt - Hydro Pump - Confuse Ray [sprite]131[/sprite] Lapras level 60 - Perish Song - Waterfall - Dragon Dance - Thunderbolt Brock: [sprite]076[/sprite] Golem level 62 - Earthquake - Stealth Rock - Stone Edge - Rock Polish [sprite]112[/sprite] Rhydon level 63 - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Ice Punch - Thunderpunch [sprite]139[/sprite] Omastar level 66 - Surf - Ancientpower - Earth Power - Rain Dance [sprite]141[/sprite] Kabutops level 66 - Rain Dance - Aqua Jet - X-Scissor - Rock Slide [sprite]095[/sprite] Onix level 68@Sitrus Berry <--- LOL - Iron Tail - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Sandstorm Blaine: [sprite]219[/sprite] Magcargo level 66 - Recover - Earth Power - Lava Plume - Amnesia [sprite]126[/sprite] Magmar level 68 - Confuse Ray - Sunny Day - Flamethrower - Thunderpunch [sprite]078[/sprite] Rapidash level 70 - Sunny Day - Solarbeam - Fire Blast - Hypnosis [sprite]059[/sprite] Arcanine level 71 - Overheat - Flare Blitz - Thunder Fang - Crunch Green (Blue in US): YOU GOT GARY OAK'D! [sprite]018[/sprite] Pidgeot level 78 - Featherdance - Roost - Air Slash - Heat Wave [sprite]065[/sprite] Alakazam level 78 - Reflect - Psychic - Signal Beam - Recover [sprite]112[/sprite] Rhydon level 78 - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Rock Polish - Aqua Tail [sprite]103[/sprite] Exeggutor level 80@Sitrus Berry - Sleep Powder - Sunny Day - Solarbeam - Psychic [sprite]059[/sprite] Arcanine level 80@Sitrus Berry - Extremespeed - Dragon Pulse - Flamethrower - Thunder Fang [sprite]130[/sprite] Gyarados level 80@Sitrus Berry - Dragon Dance - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Waterfall BONUS: Red: "..." "SPEAK!!" *whips* [sprite]025[/sprite] Pikachu level 90@Sitrus Berry <--- assuming this is Yellow version that took place and Blue's lineup is based off his Red/Blue lineup without any starters because RED got GREEDY and STOLE ALL OF THEM! MUHAHAHAHA *OW* - Thunder - Charm - Quick Attack - Volt Tackle [sprite]196[/sprite] Espeon level 86 <--- Celadon Mansion Eevee - Mud Slap <--- yes, this was in the original one - Morning Sun - Reflect - Psychic [sprite]143[/sprite] Snorlax level 86 <--- the Snorlax blocking Cycling Road - Body Slam - Curse - Rest - Snore [sprite]003[/sprite] Venusaur level 88 <--- the girl in Cerulean at Yellow version - Sleep Powder - Synthesis - Sunny Day - Solarbeam [sprite]006[/sprite] Charizard level 88 <--- the guy above Nugget Bridge in yellow - Dragon Claw - Swords Dance - Earthquake - Overheat [sprite]009[/sprite] Blastoise level 88 <--- Officer Jenny at Vermilion in Yellow - Surf - Rain Dance - Blizzard - Toxic Theoretical: Blue (Leaf in US) Roster based off manga... still loses to Red, I guess -__- [sprite]036[/sprite] Clefable level 78 Ability: Magic Guard - Calm Mind - Thunderbolt - Ice Beam - Softboiled [sprite]031[/sprite] Nidoqueen level 78 - Toxic Spikes - Earthquake - Crunch - Superpower [sprite]009[/sprite] Blastoise level 80@Sitrus Berry - Surf - Mirror Coat - Ice Beam - Protect [sprite]145[/sprite] Zapdos level 79 - Thunderbolt - Heat Wave - Roost - Drill Peck [sprite]146[/sprite] Moltres level 79 - Flamethrower - Sunny Day - Solarbeam - Roost [sprite]144[/sprite] Articuno level 79 - Ice Beam - Roost - Reflect - Toxic Coming soon: - Kanto Leaders - Elite 4 - Rematches Edited June 1, 2009 by wraith89
Greencat Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I think it would be nice if they used newer Pokemon too with their teams. For example: Morty can have a Sleep Haunter, Special Gengar, Sableye and Physical Haunter. Claire can have a Special Dragonair, Altaria, Mix Dragonair and Salamence.
ParaDoX65 Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 This is great! G&S were all to easy. The producers were too lazy to even care. Like GC said, new pokemon can make these teams even more leathal. Mamoswine to Pryce would be one example.
wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 I think it would be nice if they used newer Pokemon too with their teams.For example: Morty can have a Sleep Haunter, Special Gengar, Sableye and Physical Haunter. Claire can have a Special Dragonair, Altaria, Mix Dragonair and Salamence. Yeah, I wanted to do that too, but since this is a remake of GSC, I didn't think they'd be adding those other Pokemon in because they're not native to Johto... but I'll think about it. Maybe it makes more sense during their rematches. They'll get all sorts of cool Pokemon. And I just noticed... 6th and 7th gym leaders of Sinnoh and Johto are Steel and Ice type users, respectively! O_O
Greencat Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 Well, at least 1/3 Members is from another region. FR/LG had extra Pokemon not native to it's land either. ;P
wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 Hm, yeah... you're right... but they overdid it in FR/LG! Only 150 Pokemon were allowed to be seen before the National Dex... and Golbat couldn't evolve into a Crobat! That's what turned me off... The E4 rematch in FR/LG had one of their Pokemon replaced with a foreign Pokemon. That I've seen X-Scissor might be too strong on Bugsy's Scyther. I might replace with the UBERW00TPWNAGE Fury Cutter!
That Pokemon Guy Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I like the idea of having stronger gym leaders. Definitely make everything more of a challenge. It would be weird if they had that difficulty setting(or the pokemon you chose as your starter) that sort of tweaks the levels of all pokemon you encounter, trained and wild.
wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 So what do you think guys? Is X-Scissor on Bugsy's Scyther a bit too strong? :-/ His signature move back then was Fury Cutter, so I'm wondering if I should replace it with that or not...
ParaDoX65 Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 So what do you think guys? Is X-Scissor on Bugsy's Scyther a bit too strong? :-/His signature move back then was Fury Cutter, so I'm wondering if I should replace it with that or not... Well, depending on your starter, it might be tough. Chikorita (or maybe bayleaf) wouldn't stand much of a chance to an X-scissor.
wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) Well, depending on your starter, it might be tough. Chikorita (or maybe bayleaf) wouldn't stand much of a chance to an X-scissor. O_O You're right! I'm changing that instantly! :-/ Added the E4, first round. Edited May 12, 2009 by wraith89
Aqueel Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 3 dragonites on the champion seem almost overkill. I mean, if you can handle one, you can probably handle the other two.
wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 3 dragonites on the champion seem almost overkill. I mean, if you can handle one, you can probably handle the other two. It's been like that since GSC. Besides, there's not much dragons in the Kanto/Johto area other than the Dratini family and Kingdra @_@
Aqueel Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 Then give him some dragons for the newer generations, it would give people an exciting taste of what they'll be able to get after they beat him and get the National Dex =D Besides, as Champion, it makes sense that he would be able to afford to travel further and catch different Pokemon.
HottSushiz Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 Yeah when i was battling Lance, i had no Pokemon left, except my Zapdos, which had little HP, and even littler PP, i coincidentally always seem to fight the elite 4, or whatever you call it, under leveled, and i PWNED all of his so called, "dragons" with 8 Thunders, it was pretty epic.
InuYouki Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I absolutely love your set up! Stronger leaders FTW! However, i think the reason for the low levels in the Original was because of going to Kanto. Could be wrong though. My G/S/C died years ago so I can't go back and check T^T Either way I really hope they make the leaders stronger. I am not 12 years old anymore On an unrelated note, can someone please tell me how you have those badges under your names or at least direct to the right place to find out?
bear831 Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I think that adding some newer pokemon in moderation especially for Lance because that is way to many dragonites, how about garchomp or some other dragon, maybe even a legendary pokemon
That Pokemon Guy Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I agree with bear. Three Dragonite's on Lance is a little much.
FLOOTENKERP Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I think changing ANY trainer's Pokémon, especially people as important as the gym leaders and the elite 4 would ruin the remake. I don't know if they did, but did they edit any of the trainer's Pokémon in FR and LF?
That Pokemon Guy Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I think they did, but not by much. Then again, it's been so long since I've played the originals and I've never actually played FR/LG.
wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 Hello everyone. Thanks for your suggestions The problem with adding newer species is that it somewhat ruins the "remake" feelings. I don't think anyone wants Johto to be littered with Hoenn or Sinnoh Pokemon (other than evolutions of pre-existing Pokemon, but that's besides the point). I'm still debating whether it should be Piloswine or Mamoswine on Pryce's. Hmmm... nah. At this point, there is probably going to be a second batch of E4 and gym leaders, so if I make a thread regarding a second batch, they'll use new species then. On an unrelated note, can someone please tell me how you have those badges under your names or at least direct to the right place to find out? http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?t=880
FLOOTENKERP Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 If they change something as important as the Elite Four, I don't know what I'd do. I'm not down with remapped areas, changed girl character, major tweaks to storyline, and new added Pokémon to areas that didn't originally have them. I loved the original game so much that I want a reasonable remake, with great updates but still by the same story. But I would still play it if it had changes. Just not too big Game Freak, please.
bear831 Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 Hello everyone. Thanks for your suggestions The problem with adding newer species is that it somewhat ruins the "remake" feelings. I don't think anyone wants Johto to be littered with Hoenn or Sinnoh Pokemon (other than evolutions of pre-existing Pokemon, but that's besides the point). http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?t=880 that's true but Lance should use less dragonites but what other dragons are their to choose from? What about another gyarados instead of a dragonite because it is at least one less?
wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 that's true but Lance should use less dragonites but what other dragons are their to choose from? What about another gyarados instead of a dragonite because it is at least one less? Dratini, Dragonair, Dragonite, Kingdra >.> Need I say anything? Two Gyarados is weird... and his original roster in RBY had 2 Dragonairs and 1 Dragonite.
FLOOTENKERP Posted May 12, 2009 Posted May 12, 2009 I want this to stick to my childhood. It's fine to make some tweaks, but not to major. Changing the team of the champion is going to far. 3 Dragonites should stay. If no one likes his team, they could rom-hack his team. A lot of people are to passionate about this stuff, including me.
wraith89 Posted May 12, 2009 Author Posted May 12, 2009 I want this to stick to my childhood. It's fine to make some tweaks, but not to major. Changing the team of the champion is going to far. 3 Dragonites should stay. If no one likes his team, they could rom-hack his team. A lot of people are to passionate about this stuff, including me. QFT (quoted for truth). The second rematch one, however, will have some changes in his team But I hope you don't mind how I changed Will and Koga... I replaced one Xatu with Alakazam and Ariados with Weezing... and shifted Koga's teams roster slightly.
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