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23 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

Yeah, that was what I was concerned about.
It'll make sense if the GameBoy Player attachment can emulate the ticks correctly,
but I'm wondering if the GameCube can natively emulate the cpu ticks correctly.

Would be amazing if someone can make a fresh save, catch a bunch a pokemon, and upload the save

I have a full Pokemon Box setup, I just need to find the time to do this, but shouldn't be too hard haha

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18 minutes ago, ajxpk said:

IIRC the GameBoy Player has an ARM chip inside, so everything should run natively in this case. Pretty boring, I know...

I figured it would have been something like that, glad to hear the confirmation

9 minutes ago, Gridelin said:

I have a full Pokemon Box setup, I just need to find the time to do this, but shouldn't be too hard haha

That is good to hear! Just to be sure, you have the physical gamecube and Pokemon Box game right (not an emulator)

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1 hour ago, theSLAYER said:

I figured it would have been something like that, glad to hear the confirmation

That is good to hear! Just to be sure, you have the physical gamecube and Pokemon Box game right (not an emulator)

Yes haha, I've had it since I was a kid. Would playing it on a Wii matter at all? Can you even play it on a Wii?

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18 minutes ago, Gridelin said:

Yes haha, I've had it since I was a kid. Would playing it on a Wii matter at all? Can you even play it on a Wii?

Are pokes in the Wii version transferable legitimately to Gen 3 carts
(I got no clue, since I don't have a GameCube nor Wii)

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4 minutes ago, Shady Guy Jose said:

There's no Wii version. He means playing the GameCube version in a backwards-compatible Wii, which should be exactly the same as playing it on a GameCube.

So, in that scenario, will the Pokemon caught be transferable over to the mainline cartridges?
Assuming the GameCube player isn't involved (and you didn't mention it nor illuminate me regarding my question),
I take it that it is not possible?

(and I proceed to google whether is it possible)

[Edit 1: read that Wii not compatible with GameBoy Player]

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2 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

So, in that scenario, will the Pokemon caught be transferable over to the mainline cartridges?
Assuming the GameCube player isn't involved (and you didn't mention it nor illuminate me regarding my question),
I take it that it is not possible?

(and I proceed to google whether is it possible)

[Edit 1: read that Wii not compatible with GameBoy Player]

The Game Boy Player isn't involved whether it's a Wii or a GameCube, IIRC. The games connect through a GBA-GameCube cable, and they work the same in a GameCube and BC Wii.

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1 minute ago, Shady Guy Jose said:

The Game Boy Player isn't involved whether it's a Wii or a GameCube, IIRC. The games connect through a GBA-GameCube cable, and they work the same in a GameCube and BC Wii.

ah, so it's direct connection, that's good to know.

In that case, it'll be best if we have 2 saves, one from a Physical Wii gameplay, and one from the Physical GameCube gameplay.

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1 minute ago, theSLAYER said:

ah, so it's direct connection, that's good to know.

In that case, it'll be best if we have 2 saves, one from a Physical Wii gameplay, and one from the Physical GameCube gameplay.

There shouldn't be any difference. A Wii running in GameCube mode is virtually the same as a GameCube (same CPU architecture, underclocked to match the GameCube speed when running GameCube games).

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4 minutes ago, Shady Guy Jose said:

There shouldn't be any difference. A Wii running in GameCube mode is virtually the same as a GameCube (same CPU architecture, underclocked to match the GameCube speed when running GameCube games).

This was my understanding as well, just didn't know if the Wii had a RTC similar to the GameCube or not.

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Oh, and regarding "legitimately transferrable to Gen 3 games": we're not really talking about a transfer here, unless you mean the special gifts you get from that game, but rather a Gen 3 save played in Box's built-in emulator, right?

EDIT: which would be stored in and dumped from an original R/S cart, which would be in a GBA that's connected to the GameCube at all times during play

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21 minutes ago, Shady Guy Jose said:

Oh, and regarding "legitimately transferrable to Gen 3 games": we're not really talking about a transfer here, unless you mean the special gifts you get from that game, but rather a Gen 3 save played in Box's built-in emulator, right?

EDIT: which would be stored in and dumped from an original R/S cart, which would be in a GBA that's connected to the GameCube at all times during play

The gist of my question, relates to Pokemon captured on the Pokemon Box's in-built RS emulator.
Can those Pokemon (and eggs) be legitimately transferred to physical carts of Gen 3?

 

I have no idea whether Pokemon Box's RS emulator's captured mons can be stored in Pokemon Box or traded out etc.

Reason for this, is related to PID/IVs and RNG method of Pokemon captured on that legitimate RS emulator.
Wondering if it'll shake up PKHeX's legality checker.

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Just now, theSLAYER said:

The gist of my question, relates to Pokemon captured on the Pokemon Box's in-built RS emulator.
Can those Pokemon (and eggs) be legitimately transferred to physical carts of Gen 3?

My point exactly: they don't have to. When you're using the emulator, it saves to a physical cart.

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4 minutes ago, Shady Guy Jose said:

My point exactly: they don't have to. When you're using the emulator, it saves to a physical cart.

It saves.. to a physical cart? I thought Pokemon Box's RS emulator can be used without a physical cart?

edit:
I'm now under the impression that you have your RS Cart slot into GBA,
connect to gamecube (to use it as controller), and the Pokemon Box reads the save of RS, and saves back to it later, is this correct?

Additionally, this also means the "emulator mode" cannot be accessed, when the player doesn't connect a physical RS cart to the system, is this also correct?

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3 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

It saves.. to a physical cart?

I thought Pokemon Box's RS emulator can be used without a physical cart?

edit:
I'm now under the impression that you have your RS Cart slot into GBA,
connect to gamecube (to use it as controller), and the Pokemon Box reads the save of RS, and saves back to it later, is this correct?

Yes, I believe you can play with a regular GC controller as well though.

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Just now, Gridelin said:

Yes, I believe you can play with a regular GC controller as well though.

In this scenario, how is the cartridge connected to Pokemon Box tho? (relating back to Pokemon Box's emulator mode)

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2 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

In this scenario, how is the cartridge connected to Pokemon Box tho? (relating back to Pokemon Box's emulator mode)

It's connected to controller slot 2

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1 minute ago, Shady Guy Jose said:

It's connected to controller slot 2

That's pretty cool. Too bad I never owned a GameCube or Wii :/

Now that all that is cleared up, at least I now know that the Pokemon captured is legitimate and affects legality checks.
(If it was sandboxed in the emulator and can't be extracted legitimately, then it wouldn't be a source of concern)

I think the best way to test whether the PIDIV generation are affected, is to capture a crap ton of Method_1 only Pokemon
(and probably hunt for some shinies)

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1 minute ago, theSLAYER said:

That's pretty cool. Too bad I never owned a GameCube or Wii :/

Now that all that is cleared up, at least I now know that the Pokemon captured is legitimate and affects legality checks.
(If it was sandboxed in the emulator and can't be extracted legitimately, then it wouldn't be a source of concern)

I think the best way to test whether the PIDIV generation are affected, is to capture a crap ton of Method_1 only Pokemon
(and probably hunt for some shinies)

I would seriously laugh out loud if this produced some Pokemon with mismatched PID/IVs in the way VBA does (mGBA and John GBA apparently don't, from my latest Leaf Green playthrough). And I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry if someone's precious shiny legendary got flagged as illegal in recent games because of this oversight by Nintendo, in case it does happen.

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1 minute ago, Shady Guy Jose said:

I would seriously laugh out loud if this produced some Pokemon with mismatched PID/IVs in the way VBA does (mGBA and John GBA apparently don't, from my latest Leaf Green playthrough).

At this point, I would surprised if it doesn't cause mismatched PID/IVs XD

I should try those emus out in my free time ><

2 minutes ago, Shady Guy Jose said:

And I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry if someone's precious shiny legendary got flagged as illegal in recent games because of this oversight by Nintendo, in case it does happen.

How bout both, like this -> ?

Well, if they're the type to play everything legitimately, they probably don't have to be worried, since GF/TPCi/Nintendo doesn't seem to care about RNG-PIDIV data.

In any case, it depends on how bad the emulator is programmed on Pokemon BOX RS.
Would like to see some of such Pokemon, so that we know for sure

@Sabresite do you have a GameCube/Wii with Pokemon Box RS? ?

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15 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

At this point, I would surprised if it doesn't cause mismatched PID/IVs XD

I should try those emus out in my free time ><

How bout both, like this -> ?

Well, if they're the type to play everything legitimately, they probably don't have to be worried, since GF/TPCi/Nintendo doesn't seem to care about RNG-PIDIV data.

In any case, it depends on how bad the emulator is programmed on Pokemon BOX RS.
Would like to see some of such Pokemon, so that we know for sure

@Sabresite do you have a GameCube/Wii with Pokemon Box RS? ?

I know I've checked in the past, but I can't remember right now and can't check here at work; is the ROM image on the Box.iso any different from the regular ROM image? Like do the hashes match etc...?

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56 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

At this point, I would surprised if it doesn't cause mismatched PID/IVs XD

I should try those emus out in my free time ><

How bout both, like this -> ?

Well, if they're the type to play everything legitimately, they probably don't have to be worried, since GF/TPCi/Nintendo doesn't seem to care about RNG-PIDIV data.

In any case, it depends on how bad the emulator is programmed on Pokemon BOX RS.
Would like to see some of such Pokemon, so that we know for sure

@Sabresite do you have a GameCube/Wii with Pokemon Box RS? ?

Nope I don't. Since Box is a GC game there is no vblank. It should work exactly the same on an emulator.

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Just now, Sabresite said:

Nope I don't. Since Box is a GC game there is no vblank. It should work exactly the same on an emulator.

The thing is, as I said earlier, the behavior tends to differ between emulators. There have been reports of mismatches on VBA, but from my (admittedly limited) testing on other emulators (namely mGBA on Windows and John GBA on Android), that doesn't happen. I can upload my stationary PKM files from a Leaf Green playthrough I did on both of them (syncing through Dropbox so I could play on the go and at home). Box may have a behavior that's similar to VBA, or a different one altogether, so testing may be warranted.

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