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Tbird

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Quickly going over your threat list:

Rotom lost its ghost typing so don't expect kills from shadow ball.

LO Adamant Excadrill can net 2HKOs on Skarm after SR damage, so watch out for that. What's more, Excadrill fears nothing from chansey thus giving him prime opportunity to switch in get the free plus two and start doing cruel things. Whilst you can wind him, you know flinch hax happens at the worst of times -_-. In saying that LO adamant is then susceptible to Gliscor. (again, not sure if he can outright switch in on a +2 Rockslide if toxic orb isn't activated)

However... this leads me to my next point, Having skarm and gliscor together, to me, seems like a waste when they pretty much do they same job. Gliscor + Jirachi seems to be the way forward here, and then you could even forego the use of chansey.

Rotom-W + Gliscor + Jirachi is beast of a core, I feel that should be where you should go from here. It'd work really nice with Heatran + scizor, in any case. Not only that but you are going to definitely need paralysis support if you're going to try and pull off a mew sweep, failing that, wobbuffet for snaring choice scarfers.

Though then with all the steel here you're pretty magnezone weak, and zone will only need to take out Jirachi/skarmory + Scizor to set up a Latios/reuni sweep. Meh I guess heatran can take it out so long as you don't switch tran in on a +2 Magnezone behind a sub.

Cloyster can set up on chansey and sweep... Basically that chansey is set up bait.

I'll come back with some suggestions a little later... and was there really any need at all for those damned spoilers xD?

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Sabeta

Sabeta

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The way you formatted this makes it difficult to quote, so I'm not going to bother with quotes.

The first thing I notice was that you're trying to use Mew. Understandable. Mew is unpredictable, so perhaps you could get some surprise sweeps in. I can see what you tried to do with it, Psyshock so your precious sweeper isn't walled, and Fire Blast to take out steels that normally stop you, for the most part, this works. Except against a select few like Heatran. Heatran won't even be touched by Mew, and can 2HKO it in return. (Especially easy if it gets a boost)

So Since what you claim to be your key sweeper is now walled by a common Pokemon, I look for your ways to counter it. Scizor is walled as well, and you aren't running Super Power. This leaves your own Heatran and Gliscor as the only things that can stand up to it. Gliscor is easily 2HKO by Fireblast and will find it difficult to switch in, while using your own Heatran is a bit of a gamble. If it runs Air Balloon and you haven't popped it yet, then Gliscor is your only hope. (And again, since it gets 2HKO'd by by Fireblast, and the time wasted Ice Fanging will kill you) But then I notice you have Chansey, so let's take a look at that.

Chansey, at first people seemed to latch onto the idea that Chansey was godly superior to Blissey thanks to a little thing called Eviolite. Well I'm sorry to say Gin but this was proven completely untrue a while ago. For starters, Eviolite, while giving Chansey astronomically more special defense than Blissey, only gives it 31 more points in defence, while sacrificing around 100 HP in the process. Points that are VERY critical. Next, it loses the ability to heal off damage at the end of each turn thanks to Leftovers. Which is even more net HP loss over a period of time. Even if you use it purely as a special wall, over a period of time Leftovers recover will outbalance the Eviolite Defence bonus, resulting in less PP wasted over time.

Now I take a look at Chansey's personal weakness. physical fighting types. You seem to have this factor alone covered relatively well, but what about if we add in a mixed sweeper? I'm going to use Infernape in this example because he's awesome, carries HP ice enough to destroy your Gliscor, and takes everything out but Mew. If Mew is gone, and you run into Infernape, you pretty much just lost.

Now then, with that I can say that your biggest threats are Heatran, and Infernape. Aside from Perish Song variants Politoad is walled by Chansey. Thunderus is often walled as well. Fun Fact: Hammer Arm variants can only 3HKO Blissey, use that to your advantage. Dragonite is a tricky one though. So here's my recommendations.

Burungeru (Jellicent) Is an all around great mixed wall, and takes care of Infernape and Heatran with absolute ease

Bronzong is another good mixed wall, and although it struggles against your biggest counters, it tanks Dragonite like a pro, sliding it in somewhere wold be worthwhile.

Consider Giving Mew Drain Punch or Focus Blast, to assist with Tyranitar

your team is well suited for it, consider running Sandstorm to counter Rain.

That's my two cents.

Final Opinion 7.5/10 (Because Infernape isn't too common anymore)

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wraith89

wraith89

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Sab, Toxicroak is walled by Chansey? Cross Chop and any other STAB Physical Fighting move says hi :|

Unless, of course, you were referring to Politoed. Better not get those two froggies confused; one likes to sing the other is mean.

Also, a quick note; + 2 LO Thunderpunch from Infernape OHKOs Jellicent. I don't like that, but no matter what sort of EVs I run, it's always OHKOd and I'm not going 252 HP/252 Def. But overall, Jellicent is a great check to Infernape or Heatran so that is definitely worth considering.

That aside, I'm not so happy with no investment in Chansey's Defence. In fact, I think those HP EVs should be moved to Defence so Chansey can get more out of it. Investing in Defence helps a LOT more than investing in HP when taking surprise physical hits, especially for something with a crazy 250 base HP Pokemon. In fact, I get away with putting no HP EVs on Blissey and still works. I know your Chansey is a dedicated special wall, but, there's always that chance you take a physical hit by accident (Thundurus with Hammer Arms for Tar anyone?), which isn't very nice.

What Tbird said does interest me though; Gliscor + Skarmory being redundant. It just might be in the weirdest way. Nearly everything Gliscor is supposed to counter carries some Ice move, such as Tyranitar with Ice Beam or some other random junk with HP Ice. I'd be careful if I were you, and even though Jirachi + Rotom-W can be useful, it might distract you from actually sweeping with Mew and you'll end up taking out everything with just your core if you play properly. Just a thought there. So maybe we don't want that.

I almost suggested Tyranitar but that adds more weakness to the apparent Infernape weakness and the sand is distracting to your Chansey and Mew. Tyranitar is actually great as a special wall in a way though. I remember at some point people used SkarmTar instead of SkarmBliss, but of course, always experiment and see what works. Anything worth mentioning regarding threats?

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