The concept of Lugia and Ho-Oh

[Fallen]

Well, we all know that Lugia and Ho-Oh started this "boss" legendary thing, with Ho-Oh ruling over the legendary dogs and Lugia ruling over the legendary birds.

What I would like to know is if you like the whole idea of legendaries have bosses. I mean do you think the franchise would have done just as well if each legendary stood on their own?

[KazoWAR]

Well, we all know that Lugia and Ho-Oh started this "boss" legendary thing, with Ho-Oh ruling over the legendary dogs and Lugia ruling over the legendary birds.

What I would like to know is if you like the whole idea of legendaries have bosses. I mean do you think the franchise would have done just as well if each legendary stood on their own?

I didnt think of them as a boss, more like a watcher, or a protector.

[Fallen]

What it boils down to is being a boss-like figure I should say. Like when you get out of hand and your parents come to discipline you, that's what it seems like.

[wraith89]

What it boils down to is being a boss-like figure I should say. Like when you get out of hand and your parents come to discipline you, that's what it seems like.

Pretty much. Ho-oh did play a role with the three legendary beasts... because some random lightning struck the tower with the beasts, fire burned the building, killing the beasts, and the rain fell after to douse the tower. Ho-oh revived them (he's based on a phoenix)... and he became their protector. Out of all three of them, Suicune is the closest to Ho-oh (I don't know why... does anyone know?)

[Fallen]

Not sure. Could be a few different reasons, but no official reason was ever realeased, at leaset to my knowledge.

[wraith89]

And what about Lugia's role with the legendary birds? It was only explained in a movie... which I did NOT see.

[Fallen]

You have to see the second movie. It's by far the best. The movie explained it by saying their elements threw off the balance and only Lugia can clam them.

[Okami]

I always personally thought the three legendaries there were cats?
That's a debate all of itself, though.

Ho-oh and Lugia were indeed interesting....I don't remember too much about Ho-oh, though, it's a shame.

[wraith89]

You have to see the second movie. It's by far the best. The movie explained it by saying their elements threw off the balance and only Lugia can clam them.

I'll try... I'll try...


I always personally thought the three legendaries there were cats?
That's a debate all of itself, though.

Ho-oh and Lugia were indeed interesting....I don't remember too much about Ho-oh, though, it's a shame.

I heard it as dogs... some said cats... and I'm now convinced they're gerbils.

Anyways, remember the first episode ever? That thing flying over the rainbow is Ho-oh. I only know about Ho-oh through game lore... and that's about all.

[Fallen]

I always personally thought the three legendaries there were cats?
That's a debate all of itself, though.

Ho-oh and Lugia were indeed interesting....I don't remember too much about Ho-oh, though, it's a shame.

I was confused when I first learned of them. I wasn't entirely sure what to classify them as since Entei and Suicune look like dogs, but Raikou looks like a Sabre-Toothed Tiger. I finally just stuck to calling them the legendary dogs though.


I'll try... I'll try...



I heard it as dogs... some said cats... and I'm now convinced they're gerbils.

Anyways, remember the first episode ever? That thing flying over the rainbow is Ho-oh. I only know about Ho-oh through game lore... and that's about all.

I remember calling Ho-Oh the Rainbow Bird. I thought it was the most powerful Pokemon. I wish they still foreshadowed that way.

[wraith89]

I was confused when I first learned of them. I wasn't entirely sure what to classify them as since Entei and Suicune look like dogs, but Raikou looks like a Sabre-Toothed Tiger. I finally just stuck to calling them the legendary dogs though.



I remember calling Ho-Oh the Rainbow Bird. I thought it was the most powerful Pokemon. I wish they still foreshadowed that way.

Ho-oh = Dynablade from Kirby :o

Ho-oh is amazing thanks to Sacred Fire... and now it is physical and runs off his stronger attack stat. Unfortunately, Stealth Rocks sealed the deal for him... which is why I'm proposing a reduction on SR's damage (http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1078).

[archanfel]

I dont know why but i like Lugia the most i think he has a more powerfull aura upon him then Hu-oh

[bear831]

Yah Lugia was my favorite because I just loved his whole story line.

[Zafur]

I prefer to say The Three Legendary Beasts. Much more neutral. Although, I consider...
Suicune- Mostly canine. Has cat pupils and cat like paws.
Entei- Half and half. Can either be a shaggy dog or lion like. Short muzzle like a cat, retractable claws. He both barks and roars, according to legend.
Raikou- Mostly feline. Claws don't retract. (And it actually has a tail and "ears".O_o)

I once met someone who couldn't see Raikou as a feline... Quite odd, since they accepted Entei as looking like a lion.

I think the "boss" or "protector" roles give more legend and stories for the games, which usually makes game play more enjoyable. It makes everything fit more and be more connected.

[wraith89]

Raikou DEFINITELY looks like a cat. Entei is like a shaggy cat with doglike features... and Suicune, I can't tell :) That's what makes Suicune unique!

[Zafur]

Suicune has that wolf thing going on. Although he does have "small" spots as opposed to patches, which are usually seen as a feline thing. Or a dalmatian.xD

[Fallen]

Raikou DEFINITELY looks like a cat. Entei is like a shaggy cat with doglike features... and Suicune, I can't tell :) That's what makes Suicune unique!

I can see the shaggy cat thing.

Suicune is definitely the hardest to decipher. He doesn't have a cat-like face. But, it can't be two cats and a dog. I think if they were to officially lable them, they would be the legendary dog trio. It just sound more fierce then the cat trio.

[Neo]

When you think of it, Isn't Pikachu supposed to be a mouse? Doesn't really look like one.
But yea Suicune is the strangest but coolest of of the Trio , Zapdos of of The Birds, Azelf out of the Legendary psychics and Registeel out of the Legendary Golems

[Zafur]

I thought Azelf was considered a sprite or something. I like beasts better. Beasts sounds more beastly than doggies. ;)

[ZMaster]

I prefer to call them dogs. They have more dog features than cats. Cats are usually agile and quick, and sly, whilst the legendary trio of dogs are more powerful. Although they run, if they put up a fight, they are quite powerful.

I agree on Azelf and Zapdos being the best of their trios, whilst I think Regice is the best of the golem trio.

[wraith89]

I prefer to call them dogs. They have more dog features than cats. Cats are usually agile and quick, and sly, whilst the legendary trio of dogs are more powerful. Although they run, if they put up a fight, they are quite powerful.

I agree on Azelf and Zapdos being the best of their trios, whilst I think Regice is the best of the golem trio.

Now Regirock is the best one while Regice is the worst. Why? The abundance of Sandstream helps Regirock's special defense and Regice is weak to Stealth Rocks. The metagame became too offensive that Choice Banded things tend to OHKO the poor Ice Golem.

Someone needs to dethrone Zapdos. Really.

[Destati]

Nah, Zapdos is anti-metagame. Blame the overuse of EQ, Water, Steel and Fighting moves.

If this was D/P again, except Zapdos got Heatwave he wouldn't be as useful.

[HottSushiz]

What happened with the 2nd movie haven't seen for ages, i do remember Zapdos, Articuno, and Moltreas PWNED Lugia, then something happened, and it's all a blur.

I think of the trio are rather dog like, but you kinda changed my perspective, Raikou seems cat like, and Entei does look like a lion with the mane, but it sounds strange, calling them cats, because calling them cats sounds weak, but beasts yeah, i think that name could full grasp the power they hold.

[Zafur]

Funny how there seems to be more dangerous felines than canines though...

Canines are known for wolves. There are also the lesser known jackals, dingos, and coyotes, and occasional dog, including the African Wild Dog.
(Foxes are vulpine, and hyenas have their own family, separate from canine)

Felines are known for lions and tigers. Also leopards, jaguars, cheetahs, lynxes, caracals, servals, mountain lions/cougars... Maybe ocelots and bobcats too.
(Panthers don't exist. Panther usually refers to the genus Panthera, or are local names of leopards, jaguars, etc.)

I guess since they tend to be more streamlined, people see them as less dangerous, even though that makes them quicker. ;)

Orrr. If Beasts doesn't stick, we can always resort to Gerbils.

[Destati]

Zafur, say hello to a Warg

http://www.lotro-wiki.com/images/0/02/Warg_Appearance_0.jpg

Its a ferocius Wolf-beast created by Tolkein, inspired by Fenfrir and shown through games like DnD and WoW.

Imagine if that thing actually existed : /.

[Zafur]

Awww. So cute. <3 Its face is a bit too boxy for my tastes, though.

Are you trying to illustrate how ferocious canines tend to be in comparison to how kitties look or was this something slightly off topic?

Edit: And it's upper body is exaggerated a bit too much. I have to wonder how it holds up its weight.

[Destati]

I was trying to show that canines can be a lot more ferocious than you expect.

And the hump is basically used to bash against larger animals/myths with brute force, though most of it is hair.

Here's another pic

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.massively.com/media/2007/12/warg_concept_900.jpg

Also, these things are huge. They're like the size of a Rhino. Orcs ride them with full battle gear on.

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In fact, they could probably take down a rhino.

[ZMaster]

Lol, bringing in the beasts!

And yes, I agree with Regirock being strongest, but I still think Regice looks better.

[Fallen]

Registeel looks the best of the three.

I would have preferred to have a different "boss" to the 3rd generation trio (not sure what to call the exactly). Creating Regigigas just seemed pointless.

[AtomicGreymon]

I don't mind the concept of some legendaries being subordinate to others... though Gen IV certainly pushed this concept to the max, interrelating pretty much every major legendary. I don't really care for the Regi trio or Regigigas, but that's mostly because they look ridiculous.


I can see the shaggy cat thing.

Suicune is definitely the hardest to decipher. He doesn't have a cat-like face. But, it can't be two cats and a dog. I think if they were to officially lable them, they would be the legendary dog trio. It just sound more fierce then the cat trio.

I've always called them the Legendary Beasts, and personally I think that works pretty well. However, if 2 out of 3 resemble felines more than dogs, then I'd say an official label (if not Beasts, which works for both) would be more likely to be Legendary Cats.

Whether one sounds more "fierce" than the other depends mostly on the perception of the individual. IMO, the various wild varieties of large cats are much more fierce (not to mention stronger) than wild dogs/wolves; tigers in particular are very large and solid animals.

Cats are also just better :P

[Zafur]

I think that the trio in the second gen aren't meant to specifically resort to a specific family, just generally be beasts. It makes sense. If you had to choose the main beasts, what would you choose? A tiger/lion and a wolf, and maybe some type of dragon. Since a dragon would be too different, they made one a morph of canine and feline. I admit I always thought of Entei as canine at first, until I thought about it more... It just kind of goes against all the other gens, where the trios were always the same species, more or less.

@Destati: I know how mean canines can look. ;) A LOT better looking, although I knew that some of it is fur. Wolves bristle the hair there to look larger, it just looked way too big, even when I reduced some of it for taking the fur into account. I wouldn't mind riding on one, though.

[Destati]

@Zafur: Good luck taming one.

[Arandomproduction1]

I'll try... I'll try...



I heard it as dogs... some said cats... and I'm now convinced they're gerbils.

Anyways, remember the first episode ever? That thing flying over the rainbow is Ho-oh. I only know about Ho-oh through game lore... and that's about all.

Actually I don't think that was a real Ho-oh I thought it was Mew transformed to look like a Ho-oh, but I could be wrong, that's just what I've heard.

[Interface]

So back to the whole "LEgendaries having bosses" thing, I actually think it's pretty sweet. I mean, With the birds controlled by Lugia, The dogs controlled by Ho-oh, Kyogre and Groudon sort of controlled by/yet allies with Rayquaza, Dialga and Palkia controlled by the Psychs, and the Regi's 'subordinate' to Regigigas, It makes just a bit more sense. Just think, all the controller/protector/watcher's could get together and have a meeting and brag like "Yeah, my guys stayed in line this week. What about yours?"

But I think Pokemon pushed it to the max with D/P/Pt. There's like five bajillion legendaries!!! And they started off with "Mewtwo is the best." And then there was "Ho-oh and Lugia are the best." "Deoxys is the best." And now there's "Arceus controlls the whole Pokemon world." But there's so many other legendaries...

[DeathWatch]

Well it is then a mystery on what happened to the legendary dogs if ho-oh wasn't there to protect them.