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  On 10/20/2018 at 11:57 AM, DestroyMagnet said:

Wow, you guys are doing awsome work. I don't suppose y'all know which flags activate which hidden items in FR/LG? Still, to this day I can't seem to spawn those Heart Scales in Tanoby Ruins or that Big Pearl in Trainer Tower. ?

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Hi, for the Big Pearl at Trainer Tower you need to unset flag 1185

  Reveal hidden contents

As for the Heart Scales, i can't find them... in every island of the Tanoby Ruins the Itemfinder didn't find anything, but they should be there ?

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Do we need to do something (talk to someone or other...) before we can find the Heart Scales? I used the Itemfinder in the spots where the scales should be, but nothing was found... I'm sure I didn't collect them already ?

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I have the same problem with the Heart Scales. They aren't there, and I'm sure I didn't take them, as I didn't even know they supposedly existed.

edit: Apparently someone documented the internal IDs for the hidden items:
https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=399026


If the event flags also ascend in a similar style, knowing the before or after event flag IDs of the items in the same order,
would have been enough XD

edit2:
Nest Ball in Rocket Warehouse. When obtained, 1068 -> Set
If the flags are sequential, 1064 to 1067 are the tanoby heart scales.
Gonna test it.
 

edit3: HAHAHAHAHA
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I was right. Unsetting those four flags allowed all 4 heart scales to appear in the game.

Final edit (Probably):
Based on the table and the numerical difference, I came up with a new table that attempts to match the flag ID with the internal ID.
Note that it is likely not accurate, as the Big Pearl ID doesn't match @cicciochiave previously reported id.
However, it's a good indicator for flag values in the range, as it clearly worked for the 4 heart scales.
 

Table for various hidden items and event flag ID.

Table is in the spoiler below:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

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Kaphotics

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See here for Emerald overworld object flags:

(1000) https://github.com/pret/pokeemerald/blob/b1b97c1da9f8190ef3d145acf30eb1708f50e3f3/include/constants/flags.h#L933-L1104

(500) https://github.com/pret/pokeemerald/blob/b1b97c1da9f8190ef3d145acf30eb1708f50e3f3/include/constants/flags.h#L516-L629

R/S:

(1000) https://github.com/pret/pokeruby/blob/9d62ad060b05848a0cad1f09881c3863596455fd/include/constants/flags.h#L614-L749

(600) https://github.com/pret/pokeruby/blob/9d62ad060b05848a0cad1f09881c3863596455fd/include/constants/flags.h#L258-L357

 

Should be obvious that they chunk everything up, and start at nice round numbers :)

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theSLAYER

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  On 10/30/2018 at 1:24 AM, Kaphotics said:

See here for Emerald overworld object flags:

(1000) https://github.com/pret/pokeemerald/blob/b1b97c1da9f8190ef3d145acf30eb1708f50e3f3/include/constants/flags.h#L933-L1104

(500) https://github.com/pret/pokeemerald/blob/b1b97c1da9f8190ef3d145acf30eb1708f50e3f3/include/constants/flags.h#L516-L629

R/S:

(1000) https://github.com/pret/pokeruby/blob/9d62ad060b05848a0cad1f09881c3863596455fd/include/constants/flags.h#L614-L749

(600) https://github.com/pret/pokeruby/blob/9d62ad060b05848a0cad1f09881c3863596455fd/include/constants/flags.h#L258-L357

 

Should be obvious that they chunk everything up, and start at nice round numbers :)

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That's cool!

Also, @cicciochiave was correct and the pearl is at 1185, as opposed to 1186 in my table.

I'm suspecting everything got shifted after the N/A above. will be looking at and fixing my table.

edit: Yup, the Persim Berry on Route 10 is 1125 instead of 1126, meaning the skipped the NA.
Modified my table to reflect that information.

edit again: Oh boy, viridian forest potion is 1000, meaning somewhere in the list it decided to jump up by another flag..

I don't know how and I don't know where, it appears I made another mistake.
Table fixed, with the correct numbers, starting from the nice round number :)

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cicciochiave

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Cool stuff as always, but... I still don't understand why I and even @theSLAYER weren't able to find them. ?

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It seems like FR/LG are less documented then R/S/E as for the flags and this is the reason why i'm loving this thread... it is growing day by day. ?

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  On 10/30/2018 at 9:58 AM, cicciochiave said:

Cool stuff as always, but... I still don't understand why I and even @theSLAYER weren't able to find them. ?

PS:

It seems like FR/LG are less documented then R/S/E as for the flags and this is the reason why i'm loving this thread... it is growing day by day. ?

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I've read that events such events are either:
1. Tied to talking to NPCs (like how the legendaries only roam after you talk to Celio to complete Sapphire delivery)
2. They randomly respawn after a certain number of steps.

So we either didn't walk enough steps for it to respawn, or we didn't talk to an important character.

In any case, the page @Kaphotics linked us pretty much has RSE items and hidden items,
and we've now cracked all hidden items of FRLG.

(Sadly, that github doesn't contained a flags disassembly for FRLG :( )

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TravisT51

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  On 10/29/2018 at 10:31 AM, cicciochiave said:

Hi, for the Big Pearl at Trainer Tower you need to unset flag 1185

  Reveal hidden contents

As for the Heart Scales, i can't find them... in every island of the Tanoby Ruins the Itemfinder didn't find anything, but they should be there ?

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Lol I don't know how and why but I was able to get the Trainer Tower Big Pearl after either I received the 300 hatch sticker or completed the National Dex, I can't be too sure what happened but I rechecked the area after I completed both achievements. I was also able to make the Memorial Pillar Big Pearl finally appear after I caught my legendary roamer (Suicune) at Route 2. I feel super sure about this because I kept rechecking the Memorial Pillar once per day and once I caught Suicune I rechecked the area on a whim and it finally spawned. It seems that certain hidden items only start to appear after doing particular things? 🤔

Edit: I forgot to mention that that I was also missing the Memorial Pillar Big Pearl until VERY recently.

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  On 10/30/2018 at 12:06 AM, theSLAYER said:

I have the same problem with the Heart Scales. They aren't there, and I'm sure I didn't take them, as I didn't even know they supposedly existed.

edit: Apparently someone documented the internal IDs for the hidden items:
https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=399026


If the event flags also ascend in a similar style, knowing the before or after event flag IDs of the items in the same order,
would have been enough XD

edit2:
Nest Ball in Rocket Warehouse. When obtained, 1068 -> Set
If the flags are sequential, 1064 to 1067 are the tanoby heart scales.
Gonna test it.
 

edit3: HAHAHAHAHA
image.png

I was right. Unsetting those four flags allowed all 4 heart scales to appear in the game.

Final edit (Probably):
Based on the table and the numerical difference, I came up with a new table that attempts to match the flag ID with the internal ID.
Note that it is likely not accurate, as the Big Pearl ID doesn't match @cicciochiave previously reported id.
However, it's a good indicator for flag values in the range, as it clearly worked for the 4 heart scales.
 

Table for various hidden items and event flag ID.

Table is in the spoiler below:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

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I haven't gotten around to using PKHex to unset those Heart Scales yet. I'm still wondering as to what specific in-game event would naturally trigger those flags. I've never used any of those one-time tutors. Maybe the Heart Scale flags are tied to them? No idea how, but this fellow here was able to find the Heart Scales: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IekFzPfWg. Maybe it's because they used those move tutors? My oh my, what a hassle! 😅

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  On 11/20/2018 at 3:10 AM, DestroyMagnet said:

I haven't gotten around to using PKHex to unset those Heart Scales yet. I'm still wondering as to what specific in-game event would naturally trigger those flags. I've never used any of those one-time tutors. Maybe the Heart Scale flags are tied to them? No idea how, but this fellow here was able to find the Heart Scales: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IekFzPfWg. Maybe it's because they used those move tutors? My oh my, what a hassle! 😅

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You could give that a try XD

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  On 10/29/2018 at 10:31 AM, cicciochiave said:

Hi, for the Big Pearl at Trainer Tower you need to unset flag 1185

  Reveal hidden contents

As for the Heart Scales, i can't find them... in every island of the Tanoby Ruins the Itemfinder didn't find anything, but they should be there ?

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  On 11/20/2018 at 3:14 AM, theSLAYER said:

You could give that a try XD

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Yessssssssss. I can 100% confirm that using up ALL the one-time move tutors will naturally spawn the Heart Scales. Although, it was probably only triggered by using up a particular move tutor. I took no chances and did them all just to cover all bases. I FINALLY found all the Leaf Green hidden items, I can finally rest easy 😅.

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  On 11/20/2018 at 5:03 AM, DestroyMagnet said:

 

Yessssssssss. I can 100% confirm that using up ALL the one-time move tutors will naturally spawn the Heart Scales. Although, it was probably only triggered by using up a particular move tutor. I took no chances and did them all just to cover all bases. I FINALLY found all the Leaf Green hidden items, I can finally rest easy 😅.

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At least we know is it tied to a move tutor, now can pinpoint which one.
Also, if you made a save backup per move tutor, could just check at which point the flag was triggered (on PKHeX)

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  On 11/20/2018 at 5:04 AM, theSLAYER said:

At least we know is it tied to a move tutor, now can pinpoint which one.
Also, if you made a save backup per move tutor, could just check at which point the flag was triggered (on PKHeX)

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Sorry, I didn't make any backups per tutor. I just wanted to get it over with because it was a hassle tracking them all down one by one. I saved immediately after I got all 4 because I was so glad I found everything and didn't wanna risk losing my progress. Thinking back, the developers probably intended for the Heart Scales to ONLY spawn after using up all (or some) in-game move tutors as some form of RSE-related irony. At least the mystery of the hidden Heart Scales has been solved lol. 

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So I've been recently playing though the entire game picking every single Item and I've found some oddities when it comes on what triggers what.
So first, after the league (the first one, not the rematch), I followed bulbapedia to pick everything aviable in every single area before delivering the sapphire:
Mt Moon mushrooms unaviable
One Island Treasure Beach: I could get only ultraballs before clearing the league, after that could get the star piece and big pearl aswell (still could not get the other items listed).
Third Island Berry Forest, looks like you can get half of the berries before the hypno thing, and the other half later.
Five Island Resort Gorgeous, you can get the nest ball and the star piece after Slephy, not the stardust.

And here is where the oddities come, I couldnt get this items before delivering the sapphire:
Route 21 big pearl
Memorial Pillar big pearl
Green Path ultraball
Resourt Gorgeous stardust x2
Outcast Land ultraball and star piece
Trainer Tower pearl and big pearl
And lastly the x4 heart scales in the Tanoby Chambers

So I saved before the sapphire, delivered it and proceed to try get the items above.
The mushrooms where still unaviable, and could get all the items above but the memorial pillar big pearl, trainer tower big pearl and the x4 heartscales. But then, I noticed I forgot to get the underground paths items, so I went there and tried to pick them, I found none but an ather in the route 5-6 one ( btw underground path items are swapped in bulbapedia, so the route 5-6 items are the 7-8 ones). 
So I said "well, I will softreset, pick it, and see what happens". So I did,  I SR'd, left one island before delivering the sapphire and whent to the underground path to pick up the ether.
It wasn't there. Instead, there were all the other items but the ether (Ice heal, antidote, burn heal, awakening, paralyz heal and potion). So WTF.
Picked them, whent to deliver the sapphire, saved again. And when tried to pick the items listed again...
I COULDN'T FOUND MOST OF THEM,
Route 21 pearl, green path ultraball, outcast land ultraball and star piece and trainer tower pearl that I could get the first time, now weren't there, BUT, now I could get the Memorial Pillar big pearl.

I know this thread looks kinda dead, but just in case someone keeps with the research, hope this helps.

 

Additionally, want to say that in another save I had prior to this one, I could get everything (but I did it after finishing everything but getting mewtwo), noticed tho I only could get the heartscales aswell after getting mewtwo. But in that save I didn't use a single move tutor, like someone else said here.

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