What were Entei, Suicune and Raikou before they were revived?

[Destati]

The legend states that Ho-oh revived three Pokemon that lived in its tower when it was burned. The three Pokemon were also given the forms of the three beasts, but they were never always like that (seriously. Suicune could have quenched the flames and Entei couldn't have been burnt).

I'm guessing Raikou was an Ampharos, Suicune maybe a Slowking and Entei maybe being an Arcanine (lets say he was crushed by the building then).

They could also have been a Jolteon, Vaporeon and Flareon though. But Eevee's not even catchable in the wild. I bet the Mansion owner guy just buys a bunch of them and releases them in his garden...

[Aqueel]

Entei once being an Arcanine makes sense (Arcanine is a demi-legendary already), but Suicine being a Slowking is suspect, Vaporeon would work.

I would consider Raikou once being a Jolteon.

[HottSushiz]

But Raikou isn't that fast itself, but it does seem understanding, and Suicune doesn't seem all that intelligent, Arcanine suites Entei very well, they are both lion like, with they're manes, and such.

[wraith89]

Are you sure they had to be three different Pokemon? What if it were just Raikou, Entei and Suicune who died in the tower and were resurrected as themselves again?

[psyce]

Maybe they were them themselves before the tower burnt down. But the Eeveelution thing sounds good too.

[Aqueel]

It would be rather random if the trio were the only members of their species, and then were burned to death and raised back to life. It's possible, but it seems unlikely to me.

Then again, that would give Ho-Oh more incentive to bring them back.

[FLOOTENKERP]

If they explain what they used to be in the remake or anime, that would be awesome. Guessing is gonna get us nowhere though.

[Mewtwo Ex]

The legend states that Ho-oh revived three Pokemon that lived in its tower when it was burned. The three Pokemon were also given the forms of the three beasts, but they were never always like that (seriously. Suicune could have quenched the flames and Entei couldn't have been burnt).

I'm guessing Raikou was an Ampharos, Suicune maybe a Slowking and Entei maybe being an Arcanine (lets say he was crushed by the building then).

They could also have been a Jolteon, Vaporeon and Flareon though. But Eevee's not even catchable in the wild. I bet the Mansion owner guy just buys a bunch of them and releases them in his garden...

It could be explained in the new games. However you are probably the first to remember that story, so because the lack of interest, a legend hasn't been thought up.

[FLOOTENKERP]

They should have completed the legend to begin with. It's stupid to make something up as you go along. Most times it ends abruptly.

[Mewtwo Ex]

They should have completed the legend to begin with. It's stupid to make something up as you go along. Most times it ends abruptly.

I guess that's Pokemon's way of saying ''Tough luck''

[Endless Eden]

Maybe the 3 dogs will have new forms in HGSS and they became altered forms of themselves when they died so maybe they have origin forms?

[Mewtwo Ex]

Maybe the 3 dogs will have new forms in HGSS and they became altered forms of themselves when they died so maybe they have origin forms?

This was unexpected.:eek: ^

[Endless Eden]

This was unexpected.:eek: ^

it is possible why did giratina get an ORIGIN form?what was wrong with the way it was?maybe it was a test for what i said!

[Mewtwo Ex]

it is possible why did giratina get an ORIGIN form?what was wrong with the way it was?maybe it was a test for what i said!

I think because Nintendo realized that it's not good for anything in battles. Neither a sweeper nor a tank. (My opinion, Mine)

[wraith89]

I think because Nintendo realized that it's not good for anything in battles. Neither a sweeper nor a tank. (My opinion, Mine)

Giratina does make a good sweeper in origin form while taking hits, but he's overshadowed by his two buddies Dialga and Palkia anyhow. Origin form is just for lore... not meant for competitive battles, I think. Giratina makes an amazing wall in Ubers, so I don't see the point in making him a sweeper (my platinum one is a sweeper though).

[Endless Eden]

I think because Nintendo realized that it's not good for anything in battles. Neither a sweeper nor a tank. (My opinion, Mine)

well alright its ability is better but further up the page it says ho-oh revived them and gave them the FORMS of 3 beasts so ORIGIN form and ALTERED/BEAST form dogs?it fits does it not?

[wraith89]

well alright its ability is better but further up the page it says ho-oh revived them and gave them the FORMS of 3 beasts so ORIGIN form and ALTERED/BEAST form dogs?it fits does it not?

Why would we need a new form anyways? Suicune is already as good as he gets... his stat alignment couldn't have been any better :P

[Endless Eden]

Why would we need a new form anyways? Suicune is already as good as he gets... his stat alignment couldn't have been any better :P

i am not saying they need new forms just maybe that is what they were it fits in the story.(suicune is pretty cool already:D)

[wraith89]

i am not saying they need new forms just maybe that is what they were it fits in the story.(suicune is pretty cool already:D)

Yeah, but I would think Giratina is the unique one and all... I don't think they need any origin forms though. I used to think they had a baby form or something, but that wouldn't really help :-/

[FLOOTENKERP]

Well the three dogs look great now so I don't care about the story behind it. But it would still be cool to know how though.

[wraith89]

Well the three dogs look great now so I don't care about the story behind it. But it would still be cool to know how though.

More so, I want to know what happened to Mewtwo and the three legendary birds during this time. Yeah yeah, so they say the legendary birds left to Sinnoh in Platinum and all... but I don't like that story :-/

[Endless Eden]

More so, I want to know what happened to Mewtwo and the three legendary birds during this time. Yeah yeah, so they say the legendary birds left to Sinnoh in Platinum and all... but I don't like that story :-/

maybe they will include the 3 birds just for kicks?dont think it will happen though i posted somewhere else about the sevi islands returning with kanto navel rock should be a normally acessible area and it should be mewtos new home.

[wraith89]

maybe they will include the 3 birds just for kicks?dont think it will happen though i posted somewhere else about the sevi islands returning with kanto navel rock should be a normally acessible area and it should be mewtos new home.

I doubt the three birds will be in, now that they're in Platinum, unfortunately :(
Gosh, that storyline is so random...

Maybe they will add a smaller new region like Battle Frontier or something... hopefully. And I really want Mewtwo! :D

[Endless Eden]

I doubt the three birds will be in, now that they're in Platinum, unfortunately :(
Gosh, that storyline is so random...

Maybe they will add a smaller new region like Battle Frontier or something... hopefully. And I really want Mewtwo! :D

someone else said that same thing when i said about mewtwo a while back.I never liked the running all over the place looking for those 3...they should have there own place like th regis in platinum maybe have your respective bird with you to awaken them?like regigias and the regis in platinum?just a thought..

[ZMaster]

In the manga, the 3 pokémon that became the dog trio looked quite small. Maybe they were 3 small pokémon, unrelated to any other species? This may be because The pokémon were never "named".

The thing about origin formes for the 3 dogs could be possible.

[Endless Eden]

In the manga, the 3 pokémon that became the dog trio looked quite small. Maybe they were 3 small pokémon, unrelated to any other species? This may be because The pokémon were never "named".

The thing about origin formes for the 3 dogs could be possible.

Yep i am only expanding on what they chould have been.I fully belive now giratina origin form was to see how everyone whould react to such a thing.

[ZMaster]

Yep i am only expanding on what they chould have been.I fully belive now giratina origin form was to see how everyone whould react to such a thing.

Wasn't that bad. They might put an exclusive Notched-ear Pichu sprite into HG/SS.

[Endless Eden]

Wasn't that bad. They might put an exclusive Notched-ear Pichu sprite into HG/SS.

they chould but i personally dont see the point of NE pichu if it has better stats than a normal why not but otherwise...

[L Lawliet]

I've always thought them to have been Eevee's that were given the forms of Raikou, Entei, and Suicune, since they aren't the only one of their respective kinds.

[Destati]

ALTERED/BEAST

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

[Aqueel]

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

Hah, Altered Beast is amazing. I tried to play with my girlfriend a while ago, and she just went "What the hell!?" though =(

[Kuro]

Someone mind explaining the Beast Trio species? I've seen plenty of people say Cats, and others say Dogs. Raikou seems like a Tiger, Entei seems like a Lion, Suicune idk but from what bulbapedia says, a Maned Wolf/Leopard.


While making this post I decided to re check and surprizingly near everything said about them was also listed. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legendary_beasts

Including the eeveelution/beast relationship & being cat/dog.

What does everyone else see them as?

[Fallen]

I never speculated that they came from the Eeveelutions, but it does make a bit more sense to their origin. I think there needs to be a special on them explaining the events that created them.

[wraith89]

I never speculated that they came from the Eeveelutions, but it does make a bit more sense to their origin. I think there needs to be a special on them explaining the events that created them.

Raikou's best stats are Speed and Special Attack. Jolteon is the same way.

Entei's best stats are Attack and HP. Flareon shares the attack attribute. Both are regarded as the worst from their group.

Suicune's best stats are Defense and Special Defense. Vaporeon... shares neither, but has the most HP of all Eeveelutions. Both are regarded as the best from their family.

The fact that Suicune and Vaporeon seem to be the only mono-typed Water Pokemon that can learn Aurora Beam NATURALLY aside from that weirdo Octillery makes things more convincing...

Funny thing is, Ecruteak has a dance house which is filled with Kimono Girls using... Eeveelutions! Could it be? o_O

Yeah, sure... Eevees are miraculously "unable to be found in the wild"... but where are all these people getting them and the starter Pokemon? I guess it's just like that to make the players unhappy >:-[

Off topic but remember how weird Raikou looked in his Gold and Silver sprites? They fixed him in Crystal, but still... can't get over how different he began to look.

[Mr.Fuji]

They were actually just normal dogs that died in the fire and got reincarnated by ho-oh.

[FLOOTENKERP]

Pokémon has normal animals?

[wraith89]

Pokémon has normal animals?

Watch that anime episode when Ash and everyone are trapped inside S.S. Anne... when they look out the window; NORMAL FISHIES! O_O

[Fallen]

Did you think they ate the Pokemon? I mean Magikarp maybe. It just seems weird that people in the Pokemon world would eat Pokemon.

[FLOOTENKERP]

OMG That makes no sense... Pokémon... are animals in the world but there are normal animals and pi = 3.14 / 2 = a bunch of equations... This doesn't compute. Real animals in the anime? Like a pigeon? Not a pidgey? A dog? Cats?

[Mewtwo Ex]

So you noticed too. There are normal animals but really rare, and on the other hand Pokemon are quite common.

[FLOOTENKERP]

Wow. I did not know there were normal animals in Pokémon. What the hell...

[ZMaster]

Watch that anime episode when Ash and everyone are trapped inside S.S. Anne... when they look out the window; NORMAL FISHIES! O_O

LoL... I questioned that too along with the Cerulean Gym's aquarium xD

They could just be 3 Pokémon that haven't been introduced.
Maybe, their original forms weren't given names, and afterward, when they've gained their new forms, they were given their new names. Suicune, Entei, Raikou.

[FLOOTENKERP]

Normal fish... I gotta go sink this in... I always thought they ate Magikarp, like when James tried to and than it evolved and it tried to kill him...

[RockmanEXE]

They could possibly be different Pokemon that haven't been revealed yet.

Let's hope their back story is revealed in HG & SS.

[wraith89]

Did you think they ate the Pokemon? I mean Magikarp maybe. It just seems weird that people in the Pokemon world would eat Pokemon.

Pokedex data for Ekans: Pidgey and Spearow are its favorite foods.
Pidgeot: hunts for Magikarp.
Farfetch'd: hunted by people for its leek...

Yeah... a lot of Pokemon do get eaten...

[FLOOTENKERP]

Wow, if kids read this their childhood would be destroyed.

[Mewtwo Ex]

Wow, if kids read this their childhood would be destroyed.

Pokemon of America neglected to cut that out. They slipped from preventing it. I didn't think i would live to see that. Considering everything the removed over the years...

[wraith89]

I've seen garden snakes at my place... the poisonous brown ones. My parents always kill them though... we're raising chickens too. Snakes are VERY scary in real life... but Ekans are so weak XD

I still think those pokemon were the Eeveelutions.

[Mewtwo Ex]

I've seen garden snakes at my place... the poisonous brown ones. My parents always kill them though... we're raising chickens too. Snakes are VERY scary in real life... but Ekans are so weak XD

I still think those pokemon were the Eeveelutions.

I doubt they were anything ever. Just for the plot.

[Destati]

On Earth we grow leeks.

On Pokearth we hunt Farfetch'd for leeks.

....... Um, there's an easier way...

Also,

Drifblim kidnaps children
Seeing a Dusknoir means you're about to die
Cubone wears the skull of its deceased mother
Giratina probably killed a bunch of Pokemon in the past
LUCARIO DIES
Hypno also kidnaps children by making them sleepwalk
Seeing an Absol means that there will soon be a natural disaster.

Have I crushed any souls yet?

[FLOOTENKERP]

I would never eat a Pokémon (fingers crossed) I love Miltank way to much to eat and burn their think juicy meat... mmm Steak...

[Destati]

Would you eat Tropius' bananananas?

[FLOOTENKERP]

No.
Hey spell Ekans backwards. Than spell Arboc backwards. I saw that when I was 6.

[kunaidude34]

they kinda do look to be eevelutions.

[Mewtwo Ex]

I would never eat a Pokémon (fingers crossed) I love Miltank way to much to eat and burn their think juicy meat... mmm Steak...

I spit at my laptop's screen from falter. :D Juicy :rolleyes:

[Destati]

Ekans (http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg446/schrei_photo/Pokemon/Ekans.jpg?t=1242079982)

Snake (http://www.gamerdna.com/public/images/user_image/set76/image/76089/SolidSnake.png)

[FLOOTENKERP]

I spit at my laptop's screen from falter. :D Juicy :rolleyes:
Lol. I would so eat a Miltank though.

[Mewtwo Ex]

I meant lafter sorry.

[Endless Eden]

Hey guys this is about what were the 3 dogs not whould you/wouldnt you eat a pokemon.

[Destati]

things change

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Ok, actually, lets combine the two. Would you eat one of the three beasts if you could?

[wraith89]

Ekans (http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg446/schrei_photo/Pokemon/Ekans.jpg?t=1242079982)

Snake (http://www.gamerdna.com/public/images/user_image/set76/image/76089/SolidSnake.png)

Snake? Snake?! SNNNAAAKKKEEE!!!

What about Tauros meat?

[Endless Eden]

things change

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Ok, actually, lets combine the two. Would you eat one of the three beasts if you could?

I reckon entei whould be a bit annoyed if you took a bite out of him he whould roast and eat you!

[Mewtwo Ex]

things change

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Ok, actually, lets combine the two. Would you eat one of the three beasts if you could?

What's the mater with people eating Pokemon. Evil people much.:D

[FLOOTENKERP]

Hmm I'm not Chinese. I don't eat dogs. I eat steak.

[Destati]

Either way, according to Pokemon Lore if you kill and eat a Pokemon you can revive it by cleaning its bones and sending them down a river. (I think its actually a Nordic reference where Thor can eat his sheep and revive them as long as the bones stay intact. One story involves a human dining with him and breaking a bone to suck its marrow. When Thor revives the sheep one of them is limping)

[wraith89]

Either way, according to Pokemon Lore if you kill and eat a Pokemon you can revive it by cleaning its bones and sending them down a river. (I think its actually a Nordic reference where Thor can eat his sheep and revive them as long as the bones stay intact. One story involves a human dining with him and breaking a bone to suck its marrow. When Thor revives the sheep one of them is limping)

I... never heard that before. Care to tell me where you heard that?

[FLOOTENKERP]

Woah. Never knew that.

[Mewtwo Ex]

Either way, according to Pokemon Lore if you kill and eat a Pokemon you can revive it by cleaning its bones and sending them down a river. (I think its actually a Nordic reference where Thor can eat his sheep and revive them as long as the bones stay intact. One story involves a human dining with him and breaking a bone to suck its marrow. When Thor revives the sheep one of them is limping)

...

[FLOOTENKERP]

That's a pretty cool story.

[Destati]

Its in one of the books. I think its either in Canalave Library or Celestic Town. You can also look them up in Bulbapedia. There's quite a few (Platinum only)

[FLOOTENKERP]

Oh really? I don't go there, so that's why. Well thanks I'm going to check it out.

[wraith89]

I go there, but I still haven't found it. Interesting... I'll have to look everywhere.

[Endless Eden]

Its in one of the books. I think its either in Canalave Library or Celestic Town. You can also look them up in Bulbapedia. There's quite a few (Platinum only)

canalave second book shelve i think:D

[Green]

they where most likely eeveelotions

[RedUx]

canalave second book shelve i think:D

Actually,it's the third that says "sinnoh folk stories", but i never noticed that story.

[Aqueel]

Yeah, I recall reading that story somewhere in Platinum, but I don't recall where.

[Klaatu]

IMO they were 3 cat-like pokemon, same species, no elemental abilities. After all didn't they gain them from the lightning strike, the burning and the rain?

So maybe Persian?

[Greencat]

And maybe Arceus is therir leader who was an Eevee. <:B

[Klaatu]

and his grandma is a kecleon with conversion2 right? xD

[FLOOTENKERP]

Wow... I don't believe in inter-species relationships. Pikachu should be with Pikachu, not Pikachu with Eevee. It's just so disgusting.

[ZMaster]

I still believe that the Legendary Beasts are their own species.

[Okami]

Hm...the three cats being something before they were revived is...I dunno, stretching it a bit in my mind. Then again, it seems with every piece of Pokemon Nintendo/Game Freak/etc. brings out....there's more and more holes. Just like it is with .hack (But that's a whole other story altogether)

Yeah, I dunno on this one!

[Cygnus]

I think the trio started as the three eevee forms... it makes sense, vaporeon and jolteon get burned, and (assuming they were all friends being part of a trio) flareon got crushed under the rubble as it wept for its friends. thats probly the most reasonable thing i can think of, btu nothings proven yet.

[FLOOTENKERP]

Hmm, that could be it. Vaporeon does seem kinda like Suicune, Raikou seems a lot like Jolteon, and sae with Flareon being like Entei.

[ZMaster]

Hmm, that could be it. Vaporeon does seem kinda like Suicune, Raikou seems a lot like Jolteon, and sae with Flareon being like Entei.

That is also basically declaring that if Espeon Umbreon Leafeon and Glaceon were all to be burned, we would have more legendary beasts...

I don't like the idea. Suicune Entei and Raikou are all their own species, IMO.

[FLOOTENKERP]

I believe they are a reincarnation of burned Pokémon, they have to be. The legend says that Ho-oh reincarnated them from Pokémon from the tower, although I could be wrong. Could Raikou be Raichu?

[ZMaster]

I believe they are a reincarnation of burned Pokémon, they have to be. The legend says that Ho-oh reincarnated them from Pokémon from the tower, although I could be wrong. Could Raikou be Raichu?

Or, they could've been 3 unknown Pokémon that were never discovered.

[FLOOTENKERP]

There is no discrediting the fact that these are their own species, but the legend states that they were reincarnations of Pokémon in the burned towers. Nothing rare lived there, how could they have been their own species?

[HottSushiz]

How do you know that nothing rare lived there? >_>

and i don't think it would be evil eating Pokemon, because well in Pokemon world, they swap out animals for Pokemon, so anyone up for some Miltank, i mean steak. xD

[Klaatu]

I seems rather odd to think they were unique Pokemon already before dying.

But why does everyone want them to have been 3 different species?
That's totally flawed.
If for example they were the eevee trio before (or growlithe electrike or whatever), then they already had the elemental powers of thunder fire and rain.
That would mean Ho-oh simply made them more powerful!
But Ho-oh embodied them with the three events that happened at the tower: thunder, burn and rain.

So they could have been the same species or 3 different, but without the types! <.<



@Hottsushiz
They aren't just swapped, but they also get better developed brains than real animals, not?
Killing Pokemon seems almost similar to killing people to me.
Who said the berries and other fruit don't include ingredients and whatnot that you would normally obtain through animal meat? That's my explanation xD

[Kaarosu]

Does it really matter? We really won't know until we have more to go on. For all we know they were three unlucky Rattatas that were in the tower when it burned down. So it's really useless to try and guess what they were prior to being brought back to life, it's like trying to figure out which came first the egg or the chicken imo.

As for the whole Pokemon replacing animals... last I checked they didn't. I recall them eating fish/poultry/etc If anything Pokemon replaced bugs I think.. I can't remember anyone being bitten by a mosquito haha

[Endless Eden]

I agree ^.They will probably never explain the legend it will be left a mystery any ways it doesnt matter what they were only what they are now the legendary dogs,they chould very well have been rattata,very unlucky rattata...

[FLOOTENKERP]

How do you know that nothing rare lived there? >_>

and i don't think it would be evil eating Pokemon, because well in Pokemon world, they swap out animals for Pokemon, so anyone up for some Miltank, i mean steak. xD
First of all, in the Pokémon world they do have real animals. In the episode of the sinking boat real fish were seen underwater. Second off, I'm not really sure if anything rare lived there, but I have been told that in the anime in the episode of the towers normal Pokémon were seen in there, which must mean nothing rare lived in there. Entei could have been one of the fire Pokémon in the tower, Raikou could have been one of the electric, and Suicune could have been one of the water Pokémon.

[InuYouki]

You keep forgetting though Floot that the game and anime are not tied in to each other. While the anime does take things from the game at time, the manga is what follows the games. So the anime having real animals and common pokemon have little no basis on what goes on in the games/mangas. I don't remember ever seeing any real animals in the manga or game, but they mention them. Most likely they DO exist they just aren't important enough to show.

Back on topic though, I agree that they were very unlucky rattata or something of a very common normal nature. And then like I saw someone mention before they were given elements based on the events of the tower burning. The lightning that caused the fire, the fire it self and then the rain that put it out. Making the pokemon already those elements just ruins the symbolism of the tragedy for me.

[FLOOTENKERP]

Hmm, I'm starting to think they could be their own species. I don't know why Ho-oh would reincarnate three normal Pokémon, there had to be something special about these.

[InuYouki]

The fact that they died in the fire is what supposed to make them special. The Phoenix rising from the ashes deal. That is what Ho-Oh is after all. He mourned the lose of the three pokemon so he revived them and gifted them with the powers they have now.

Something doesn't have to be special to start with to be special later. There are tons of folk tails where something completely normal becomes something of great importance later on. Even more so in Japanese and Chinese culture. They have so many interesting Fairy Tails.

[Kaarosu]

If I recall correctly the reason was due to a 'mysterious fire' which imo Is probably the result of Ho-oh and Lugia battling (the tower used to be Lugia's perch) and three unlucky innocent Rattatas/Garchomps(who cares lol) died due to their fight so Ho-oh took responsibility and reincarnated them. Nothing special..just guilt. At least that's my take on it.

[Endless Eden]

I whould like to think they were just normal pokemon but...inuyouki if they represent the things that destroyed the tower why does raikou's pokedex entry say it fell with lightining?
and suicune is said to represent the north wind not water(though it is water type) it can also purify water and entei makes volcano's erupt....were did they get these powers from?

[InuYouki]

Why would Lugia and Ho-Oh fight though? I never recall anything about them ever wanting to fight. The lived like, right next door to each other for years. Mysterious fire would make me think it was set by a person. Be it by accident or on purpose. It is a human tail and you know how we never want to admit when we mess up. :/

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I whould like to think they were just normal pokemon but...inuyouki if they represent the things that destroyed the tower why does raikou's pokedex entry say it fell with lightining?
and suicune is said to represent the north wind not water(though it is water type) it can also purify water and entei makes volcano's erupt....were did they get these powers from?

Ah good point XD Like I said, I was just going off of what someone else had already mentioned. It could still work though in a way. Maybe the rain was brought by the north winds? And if the fire was started by lighting then Raiko "could" have fallen with that lighting. And Entie I don't know? The pokedex entries also talk about Clefarys coming from the Moon too, but that doesn't seem exactly true either. I honestly take the pokedex entries with a grain of salt. Just because thats what legend says doesn't make it true. That's what makes legends so fun! Always a mystery.

[Endless Eden]

i think ho-oh chould not have put th flames out he is fire type i think it is more plausible to assume he flew down into the burnt out remains of the tower and the wind generated by his wings put the flames out.therefore suicune=north wind,might also explain why it learns gust...

[Kaarosu]

Yeah the fight is just my speculation but I figured that'd make sense as to 'why' Ho-oh would go out of its way to revive those pokemon. And by your logic if a human did start it would spark a battle between the two. Why would Ho-oh even be there? isn't his perch the Tin tower lol

As for the events that they represent are the following:The lightning that struck the tower, the fire that burned in the tower, and the rain that put it out.

Edit:
anyways I'm guessing that Ho-oh just gave them their current shape based on pokemon he already knew. If the pokemon world has legends about how these pokemon appear I doubt the ones revived from the tower are the only ones of 'their' species.

[InuYouki]

all very good points. I like that there are so many ways that things could have come about. I hope they never reveal what pokemon they were. One, it doesn't matter now, and two, the mystery of it all just makes it that much sweeter. I favor both the normal type idea and yours the most.

[FLOOTENKERP]

The fact that they died in the fire is what supposed to make them special. The Phoenix rising from the ashes deal. That is what Ho-Oh is after all. He mourned the lose of the three pokemon so he revived them and gifted them with the powers they have now.

Something doesn't have to be special to start with to be special later. There are tons of folk tails where something completely normal becomes something of great importance later on. Even more so in Japanese and Chinese culture. They have so many interesting Fairy Tails.
Good point. I just don't know any details leading to what these Pokémon might have been before the tower was burned to the ground. Could they have been Raikou, Entei and Suicune all along? Why did they get reincarnated to be all powerful? Why not just make them themselves again?

[Endless Eden]

I just had a thought what if they were reincarnated to control the 3 elements that were involved in the disaster fire,water and thunder to ensure a horrible disaster such as it never happened again....

[FLOOTENKERP]

I never thought of that... I guess that's why they were made the way they were, but the question still remains, what were they before their reincarnation?

[Okami]

The animals truly lived in the VG world of pokemon, I would want a cat for my villa! :D

[Girantina81]

But Raikou isn't that fast itself, but it does seem understanding, and Suicune doesn't seem all that intelligent, Arcanine suites Entei very well, they are both lion like, with they're manes, and such.

Hey, Suicune is pretty intelligent!!! Remember 4Ever???

[wesman2232]

hmm was there ever a pokemon episode about the brass tower and stuff? Normally the protagonist trio would come to a city then find something unusual then they maybe ask around to find out what happened/how it happened, then maybe someone (like Officer Jenny or some old person) tells them about the legend of the 3 dogs and stuff?

If you get what I'm trying to say :P

I'm getting this out of logic since a lot of stuff is revealed in pokemon through somebody else's wisdom.

Discuss my opinion?

[FLOOTENKERP]

I don't think there was an episode like that. Maybe all of this will be found out in a future episode. But I still think they were Flareon, Jolteon and Vaporeon. Seems Like a possibility.

[Kaarosu]

Google to the rescue!
http://www.pokezam.com/anime/episodes/master/229.php

What would we do without google...

[FLOOTENKERP]

So they were born from the flames? They were never anything before?

[roflskippy]

did anyone ever consider that suicune, entei, and raikou could have possibly been humans that were killed in the fire and Ho-oh revived them in the form of beasts? just a thought but that is something that i considered when i first heard this story.

[Kaarosu]

According to the anime Ho-oh is pissed at the humans because "Humans tried to steal Ho-oh's power along with all other pokemon which led to the fire in the Tin tower. Three pokemon were caught in the flames unable to escape in time. Watching in sadness and disgrace Ho-oh drew upon the powers of nature and its own ancient power and it created new lives for them. The reincarnation of the northern winds Suicune, the reincarnation of a volcano Entei and the reincarnation of thunder Raikou. He sent these three pokemon to observe humans and wait for the day when pokemon and humans's hearts beat as one. Only then will Ho-oh come back." -Eusine
Oh and the only things that survived that fire were the bells that team rocket stole which are supposed to only ring when Ho-oh returns.:kikkoman:

Edit:
When watching the episode the part where they're being reborn as the three legendary beasts(dogs/cat don't care) they seem to be small pokemon. (http://liquiddeath.com/Legend.mp4)

[FLOOTENKERP]

Hm, maybe it was just some Ratatta and other small Pokémon. I guess the anime will never tell us, but maybe the upcoming game will. Seems like a possibility.

[roflskippy]

oh i see well then there goes my thought on humans becoming the legendary beasts

[FLOOTENKERP]

Well, it was a good guess. In the movie with Entei, Entei could talk and was fathering a little girl after the death of her real father (I don't remember the movie very well) but he talked and acted mostly like a human, so it could cause confusion. Even I thought Entei was her father.

[wesman2232]

According to the anime Ho-oh is pissed at the humans because "Humans tried to steal Ho-oh's power along with all other pokemon which led to the fire in the Tin tower. Three pokemon were caught in the flames unable to escape in time. Watching in sadness and disgrace Ho-oh drew upon the powers of nature and its own ancient power and it created new lives for them. The reincarnation of the northern winds Suicune, the reincarnation of a volcano Entei and the reincarnation of thunder Raikou. He sent these three pokemon to observe humans and wait for the day when pokemon and humans's hearts beat as one. Only then will Ho-oh come back." -Eusine
Oh and the only things that survived that fire were the bells that team rocket stole which are supposed to only ring when Ho-oh returns.:kikkoman:

Edit:
When watching the episode the part where they're being reborn as the three legendary beasts(dogs/cat don't care) they seem to be small pokemon. (http://liquiddeath.com/Legend.mp4)
Hmm so my theory was just a little bit off. It doesn't really show us what they was before the fire but at least I was right about the episode xD

Bulbapedia says that it was 3 pokemon but since its like Wikipedia anyone can edit it :P
though it does provide other information like how Rattata are wild pokemon on both 1F and B1 of the tower at all times. So it is more possible that it was 3 Rattatas that was killed in the fire.

[Deities]

My theory is that they where three humans who went to the tower ages ago to do research.

When something or someone burns the tower (maybe this person knew what they where searching for and didn't want them to know it) causing these three humans to die, Ho-Oh who watches this tower burn and sees these three humans die when it wasn't their 'time'. So he revives them as three dogs to watch on people. They where all given special powers (Suicune turns up when there is something happening to water etc.) And as Entei was that girls dog he went back and looked after her.

Or something like that.

But with all your peoples posts et cetera it seems my theory is just me being a complete idiot.

[FLOOTENKERP]

We've already been over that Ho-oh hates humans. Why would he reincarnate humans if he hates them? It is most likely 3 Ratatta since the tower has tons of them.

[Deities]

We've already been over that Ho-oh hates humans. Why would he reincarnate humans if he hates them? It is most likely 3 Ratatta since the tower has tons of them.

He hates humans but everything feels emotion so maybe Ho-Oh felt a bit sad.

[FLOOTENKERP]

The most likely thing that happened in the tower was that three Ratatta died in there. Ho-oh will only respect humans once both Pokémon and humans hearts beat as one, which hasn't happened yet. So it had to be Pokémon.

[roflskippy]

man this thread could last a lifetime and the only person who knows the truth is the creator of pokemon himself T.T looks like we will never know the full story T.T UNLESS the anime (lol) tells the rest of the story when they return to johto (yes they will have ash and friends return to johto for some reason or another because pokemon anime is what brings in their monies and the games as well) and then they might explain in more detail about the legend. doubt it tho

[FLOOTENKERP]

This is just speculation on what the answer might be. There is a lot of proof that it could be Ratatta. Maybe it is humans or whatever, but until we get an answer, we'll keep on guessing. I think it is a Ratatta. I'll stick with that answer until I receive further proof that it could be something else.

[Relyte]

My guess is that it was three Bidoofs, too stupid to leave the tower while it was burning. Ho-Oh pitied them (who wouldn't? They're Bidoofs, for crying out loud) so much that he made them actually useful.

[wraith89]

..................................
Bidoofs. Nope, they were gerbils. Beavers don't exist in Johto XD
Notice the many Rattatas in that tower. I wonder...

[Relyte]

Maybe it's something we haven't considered, like Snorlax or Gligar. I mean, assuming there was a massive fire in the Tin Tower, wouldn't the original inhabitants of the tower have all run away/died in the fire? So then the current inhabitants wouldn't really be an indicator towards what might have been in there before the fire.

[wraith89]

LOL. Anyways, I still think it's the Eeveelutions. Look how similar their movepools are with the legendary beasts. And how the Kimono Girls are using Eeveelutions in Ecruteak... is it just me or is something amiss?

[Kaarosu]

Well I'm glad my friend actually was reading the manga and was at this part, I cleared up the page as much as I could. But speculate away :bidoof:

http://liquiddeath.com/tower.jpg

[wraith89]

They look like rocks and turtles... o_O
Although the middle one resembles a Vaporeon strangely...

[roflskippy]

wait that must have answered our question the manga page said 3 pokemon without names so thus they either have not come out yet or they are from the hoenn/shinow (lol misspell) region since those two games were the only games that had not come out yet and the pokemon did not have names yet and this section of the manga was before those 2 came out.

*edit* also they one on the left looks like a numel numel being a volcano somewhat becoming a entei anyone see what i am seeing.

[DanteKoriyu]

Or a 150 years ago, they just hadn't decided on a species name for 3 said Johto/Kanto Pokemon that died? Professor Rowan is still discovering new Pokemon at age 60, so add another 90 years onto that into the past and there is no telling what species of Pokemon had been scientifically classified yet. Don't forget, the Poke'Dex was only just completed during FR/LG/R/S/E (as of the new continuity).

[FLOOTENKERP]

Well I'm glad my friend actually was reading the manga and was at this part, I cleared up the page as much as I could. But speculate away :bidoof:

http://liquiddeath.com/tower.jpg
They look like three small rolled up Ratatta. They have to be Ratatta, they inhabit the Tower.

[Greencat]

Well it is infested with Ratattas, no?

[FLOOTENKERP]

Exactly. It was covered in Ratatta. That is why I am sure the three dogs were Ratatta before.

[Klaatu]

LOL. Anyways, I still think it's the Eeveelutions. Look how similar their movepools are with the legendary beasts. And how the Kimono Girls are using Eeveelutions in Ecruteak... is it just me or is something amiss?

If anything that way, they were 3 Eevees

Think about it. They couldn't have been elemental typed already.
If they were a Fire, Electric and a Water Pokemon all along, then Ho-oh did nothing more but resurrect them and give them a power boost.

But the legend says Ho-oh embodied them with the elements of the events that happened:
Lightning strike->Electric
Tower burning->Fire
Rain->Water


Ratattas becoming a totally different type of mammal seems too odd for me.
Then the Eevees are a bit more suitung but still...
Btw. What else can we found in the Routes around Ecruteak city? Meowths, which are cat-like Pokemon.

[Mewtwo Ex]

Maybe they were killed by those elements...
Fire - burned to demise
Electric - struck by lightning
Water - drowned by flood.
This is what i think if they were Eevees.

[FLOOTENKERP]

I don't get why a Vaporeon a Jolteon and a Flareon would be doing in the tower. Maybe, like you said, each were transformed by what they were killed by. Seems possible.

[Greencat]

Mhh, but where would the water come from? :o

[FLOOTENKERP]

Lets not forget Greencat, it was a thunderstorm. It was raining, the tower flooded and was hit with lightning and set on fire. Three Pokemon died in there and must have been by each of these individual elements.

[AlbinoDrow]

What are the three legends supposed to be anyways? I remember when they first came out:

Dogs
Cats
FRIGGEN GERBILS

Anyways...
They were unnamed, or just left for speculation. Could be Eevee's that were abandoned in the tower.

Think about this:
The three roaming beasts watch for pokemon and humans coming together as one and working together as such without strife. Ho-oh sent them on that mission, and all three are reputedly wild and rarely appear to humans. Raikou in the anime was said to be so wild it could never be caught or else it would die (or something). They could have been abandoned there in the tower, which would give reason for the manga to say they were without a name. Humans can be quite cruel and abandoning something like that is just like saying they are worthless which is also like living without a name.

[FLOOTENKERP]

Hm, but no one really enters the tower. It would make more sense for something that lived in there to die and be reincarnated. If it was an abandoned Pokemon, Ho-oh probably would have transformed the human into a Pokemon to teach it a lesson on hows to beat its heart as one with the Pokemon. I still think it was three Ratatta.

[Greencat]

Hopefully they will say what they were in the new game. ;)

[FLOOTENKERP]

Eh, I doubt it. It will probably show you in the anime. Maybe in a future movie. But I do believe they will tell us one day.

[Mango]

Does it really matter? We really won't know until we have more to go on. For all we know they were three unlucky Rattatas that were in the tower when it burned down.


I agree ^.They will probably never explain the legend it will be left a mystery any ways it doesnt matter what they were only what they are now the legendary dogs,they chould very well have been rattata,very unlucky rattata...

I agree. The legendary gerbils were once Rattata. After all, Rattata is the most common Pokemon in the Burned/Brass Tower. Thus, all of the Pokémon except for three Rattata fled when the tower began to burn, because of a bunch of fallen rocks or something. When they died, Ho-Oh took pity on them. Ho-Oh resurrected the wettest Rattata into Suicune, the most charred Rattata into Entei, and the only Rattata who had been struck by lightning into Raikou.

[ZMaster]

I refuse to accept that Suicune, Raikou and Entei were once any of the eevolutions, OR of the 493 Pokémon that exist.

They are their own species >=O

[FLOOTENKERP]

They were reincarnated by 3 dead Pokemon that were killed in the tower. They used to be something else, and in the episode it showed them while they were being reincarnated as three small Pokemon. That's why I'm guessing they were Ratatta. They were something before, and now they are this. Fight it all you want, its inevitable.

[art]

i have been analizing this an i think entei was flareon suicune vaporeon and raikou jolteon.

my brother says that they are the "ground" versions of the bird trio

[Klaatu]

i have been analizing this an i think entei was flareon suicune vaporeon and raikou jolteon.

my brother says that they are the "ground" versions of the bird trio

If they already had abilities of fire water and electric type, Ho-oh couldn't have given those to them.....

They are the ground versions of the birds, like how the regis are the underground versions? DX

[FLOOTENKERP]

i have been analizing this an i think entei was flareon suicune vaporeon and raikou jolteon.

my brother says that they are the "ground" versions of the bird trio
I'm not sure about that, but how could they be those? Was there a Jolteon, Flareon, and Vaporeon walking around in the tower when this happened? And the picture showed them being reincarnated from small Pokemon, about the size of Ratatta, so it was most likely a Ratatta.

[DanteKoriyu]

First and foremost, GAMES=/=ANIME. Terrible reference point. The manga is better, but still not a good ref.

You might as well just give it up. Everyone has their own opinion on this, and you're never going to come to an agreement (except maybe to disagree) on what they were beforehand. The only way we'll ever know is if you ask one of the creator's who dealt with this part of the plot, or if they answer it in HGSS.

As it stands right now, you really only have three options:
1. They were some random Pokemon that inhabited the tower when it was all nice, standy and not burnt, like a Rattata or a Pidgey, who were unable to escape in time.
2. They were a Jolteon, Flareon, and Vaporeon who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. You may not imagine them in the Burnt Tower, but it did look like the Tin Tower once. Maybe they were wild, or maybe they were owned by a Monk or a Kimono Girl in the past.
3. They were the legends themselves Raikou, Entei, and Suicune who were, for some reason, too stupid to get out, died, and were returned to life. (Yes, even Entei the big bad flamey volcano Pokemon.xD)

They were said to be nameless Pokemon that perished in the flames 150 years before the current GSC-HGSS plot. And when resurrected they were the embodiment of the lightning that struck the tower, the flames that burnt it down, and the downpour of rain that extinguished the flames. That's it. The legend was meant to be vague. What they were beforehand wasn't that important, it was the resulting transformation/rebirth and connection to Ho-Oh that was meant to be the focus.

I mean, I dunno about you, but I'm tired of checking the thread and seeing the same back and forth of "They were Rattata(Or other small helpless Pokemon" and "No, they were the first gen Eevee evolutions." I mean, you are totally free to banter back and forth with the same arguments and getting nowhere. lol I just though maybe you guys could convert the effort from here into another topic. xD

[FLOOTENKERP]

lol, true. I'm just presenting the facts that are already known, such as that Ratatta inhabit the tower, and that the picture of the reincarnation showed three small Pokemon. So I believe they were Ratatta, but everyone can feel free to think what ever they want. I do want to be proven wrong, because I want this to be solved. I don't see how it could be anything else, but if anyone else has an idea, please share.

[art]

i have been discussed this with my brother and we get to this point:
the were.........................



eevees!!!
1small pokemon
2who is the pokemon who has the ability to "evolve" with a type
3jolteon flareon and vaporeon are similar to the legendary trio 2nd generation
they are like the mutant-legendary versions of jolteon flareon and vaporeon but they (before they die) were eevees, then the powerfull hooh revived them with his famous scared ash then he?? or she?? give hyperblot stone(hehe) to one eevee, supernova stone to another and tsunami stone to another eevee!!!

[FLOOTENKERP]

What would Eevee's be doing in the tower? It would make more sense for the previous forms to be Pokemon that inhabited the tower.

[Klaatu]

What would Eevee's be doing in the tower? It would make more sense for the previous forms to be Pokemon that inhabited the tower.

I agree now that they were most probably Eevees.
Rattata seem so... regular..
But that's not my point.
I just remembered though that Eevees around Ecruteak are not that unusual.
The Kimono girls use one each and even more important:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8t8Ly0hfXY.

3 Eevees lost their lives in the Tin tower.
Ho-oh resurrected them and instead of evolving them with elementary stones, he gave them an overdose of the elements taken from the 3 events. They became Raikou, Entei, Suicune.

I can easily imagine 3 other Sages, protectors of the Brass tower having their Eevees in the tower or something.

[Mewtwo Ex]

Or Ho-oh revived them (Eevees). If you ask me the Eevee, were killed by various disasters while injured.
Raikou - Eevee hit by lightning.
Entei - Eevee burned by fire.
Suicune - Eevee drowned by flash flood.
These seem the best possible to me, at least.

[umbreonboii]

i think that maybe raikou could have been a luxray or a manetric
and maybe suicune could have been a floatzel
i like the idea of entei being a arcanine

the eeveelution theory is also possible
but how do we know the original pokemon were the same type as the revived forms for all we know they could have been a phycic steel and fighting type

[Mewtwo Ex]

the eeveelution theory is also possible
but how do we know the original pokemon were the same type as the revived forms for all we know they could have been a phycic steel and fighting type

We don't know but it sounds more likely to have been the same elements as thy are after being revived.

[umbreonboii]

if you think about it
when youve been in the tower in the game mostly ratatta lived there but suicune,raikou and entei were created hundreds of years ago,the pokemon that lived in the tower could have been diffrent at the time

---------- Post added at 04:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:18 PM ----------

proboly the only people that know the real answer are the pokemon company

[HottSushiz]

Hmmm. Maybe the Pokemon company (Game Freak) doesn't even know. Like those TV shows, where there's this one character, and you NEVER see his/her face.

[Klaatu]

We don't know but it sounds more likely to have been the same elements as thy are after being revived.

As I said before it's the opposite.
Consider the fact that Ho-oh embodied the revived Pokemon with the Elements of the events that happened. It wouldn't make sense if they already were of these typings.

I still think the theory of them to have been Eevees is the most plausible. It has the most information backing it up (while the others don't have any xD).

EDIT:
I made this out of boredom xD
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5747/legendaryeevees.png

[DanteKoriyu]

And here I thought we had dropped the subject. lol

I still say there is no use trying to prove anything, as there is no evidence for or against any of the theories. The legend says 3 nameless Pokemon died in the fire. It does not say their species, nor their type, and the fact that it says nameless means that NOBODY in the game from the time the events happened to the present knew what Pokemon died. There are three simple facts known about the Pokemon.

1.3 Pokemon died in the Brass Tower fire.
2. Ho-oh revived the Pokemon into the 3 Legendary Beasts known as Raikou, Entei, and Suicune.
3. Ho-oh granted them these forms to embody the events at the tower; the lightning strike, the raging flames, and the torrential downpour.

Anything other than that is fan speculation and will NEVER be proven unless Gamefreak addresses the issue in HGSS. And if most of the old stuff is kept as is, like most the dialogue was in FRLG, we will never know. The best bet is just that 3 wild Pokemonm like Pidgey/Hoothoot/Ratatta got caught in the fire. I doubt wild Eevee were in the tower, as Eevee are domesticated Pokemon only, and if a trainer had an Eevee die, then we'd have had a known species to put in the legend. lol

[HottSushiz]

Well Eevee just seems more of a candidate for the legendary beasts then your average Pidgey/ Hoothoot/ Ratatta.

[Klaatu]

And here I thought we had dropped the subject. lol

I still say there is no use trying to prove anything, as there is no evidence for or against any of the theories. The legend says 3 nameless Pokemon died in the fire. It does not say their species, nor their type, and the fact that it says nameless means that NOBODY in the game from the time the events happened to the present knew what Pokemon died. There are three simple facts known about the Pokemon.

1.3 Pokemon died in the Brass Tower fire.
2. Ho-oh revived the Pokemon into the 3 Legendary Beasts known as Raikou, Entei, and Suicune.
3. Ho-oh granted them these forms to embody the events at the tower; the lightning strike, the raging flames, and the torrential downpour.

Anything other than that is fan speculation and will NEVER be proven unless Gamefreak addresses the issue in HGSS. And if most of the old stuff is kept as is, like most the dialogue was in FRLG, we will never know. The best bet is just that 3 wild Pokemonm like Pidgey/Hoothoot/Ratatta got caught in the fire. I doubt wild Eevee were in the tower, as Eevee are domesticated Pokemon only, and if a trainer had an Eevee die, then we'd have had a known species to put in the legend. lol

Well that's where at least something is backing up my Eevee theory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8t8Ly0hfXY
3 Sages, the protectors of the Tin Tower, have Eeveelutions. wouldn't the Brass Tower also have 3 Eevee trainers as protectors before burning down?

The hole in this is that it's said they're unknown and if this was true anyone would know. Maybe we could really encounter 3 Eeveeless Sages which are successors of the original 3 Sages and who would tell us that those were their grand grand fathers Pokemon who died xP

Yes this speculation. But what's wrong with looking for the most logical theories and ones for which we also find some hints?

[DanteKoriyu]

There is no proof at all that the Bass Tower was basically a copy of the Tin Tower, only with Lugia statues instead. We don't know the inner decor, nor do we know what Pokemon the Sages had back then in either tower. The only time we see it is after it is burnt. The only evidence for your theory is that 150 years after the fire, 3 sages have the 3 elemental Eeveelutions, and so they possibly used them as tradition.

Heck, there is a possibly they have them not because they are the standard Pokemon for Sages and the same species as those who died in the fire, but to honor the 3 Legendary Beasts that Ho-Oh created, since the Beasts are also known to be protectors of Ho-Oh (Crystal).

There is nothing wrong with speculating and trying to theorize what the Pokemon were who died, its just no matter what you do, you are probably never going to get a answer to prove anything. To me it just seems kinda in vain, especially if HGSS don't delve deeper into the legend. I hope they do though, I love mythology, and Pokemon is no different.

[umbreonboii]

maybe entei, suicune and raikou are ancestors of vapoeon,jolteon and flareon
what i mean is what if there was one original type of eevee that evolved, not pokemon evolved , i mean like the t -rex becoming a chicken type of evolution, so maybe entei, suicune and raikou are the original flareon,vapoeron and jolteon

[epicNeo]

No, they would be the ancestors of Eevee, since Eevee was the original of the Eeveelutions (duh :P) and that doesn't make any sense. Besides, they were resureccted taking the forms of the different elements, so it makes even less sense.

[DanteKoriyu]

Yeah, that has to be one of the oddest theories I've ever heard about anything Pokemon. The whole point of the series is that the monster changes are instantaneous, and that there is no evidence for standard evolutionary theory for the monsters.

[umbreonboii]

wellthere are a few for example the realtion beteewn pikachu,plule,minun,aand pachirisu

[chattux]

maybe they were all just dogs and were changed into the "beasts" doesn't it say somewhere that suicune is the reincarnation of the north wind or something?

[kevin19980609]

Rattata, maybe? They live in the Burnt/Brass Tower.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Brass_Tower

[FLOOTENKERP]

Rattata, maybe? They live in the Burnt/Brass Tower.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Brass_Tower

I agree with you. I don't want to be repetitive, but it's the only logical explanation. Here's a previous post of mine, and I remember someone linking to the plot of the episode and showing the being reincarnated where they resembled Ratatta.


lol, true. I'm just presenting the facts that are already known, such as that Ratatta inhabit the tower, and that the picture of the reincarnation showed three small Pokemon. So I believe they were Ratatta, but everyone can feel free to think what ever they want. I do want to be proven wrong, because I want this to be solved. I don't see how it could be anything else, but if anyone else has an idea, please share.

[Klaatu]

I agree with you. I don't want to be repetitive, but it's the only logical explanation. Here's a previous post of mine, and I remember someone linking to the plot of the episode and showing the being reincarnated where they resembled Ratatta.

It's not the only logical explanation O: (Besides it also sounding a bit crap, 3 Rattata LOL)

Eevee can evolve into stronger elemental evolutions of it, when exposed to the 3 main elemental stones (Water/Thunder/Fire Stone) (which happen to be the beasts types, ANY other stones don't work).
Ho-oh resurrected the 3 dead Pokemon and embodied them with elements from the 3 events that caused the incident: Heavy rain, Lightning strike and flames.
If they were Eevees, this could have triggered like an overdose exposure to the evolution inducing elements needed.

Btw, Eevees are rather popular in Ecruteak city, being the home of the Kimono girls, and considering the Tin tower has 3 protectors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8t8Ly0hfXY
which own, guess what, one original eeveelution each.

[DanteKoriyu]

It's not the only logical explanation O: (Besides it also sounding a bit crap, 3 Rattata LOL)

Eevee can evolve into stronger elemental evolutions of it, when exposed to the 3 main elemental stones (Water/Thunder/Fire Stone) (which happen to be the beasts types, ANY other stones don't work).
Ho-oh resurrected the 3 dead Pokemon and embodied them with elements from the 3 events that caused the incident: Heavy rain, Lightning strike and flames.
If they were Eevees, this could have triggered like an overdose exposure to the evolution inducing elements needed.

Btw, Eevees are rather popular in Ecruteak city, being the home of the Kimono girls, and considering the Tin tower has 3 protectors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8t8Ly0hfXY
which own, guess what, one original eeveelution each.

We've already discussed how that theory is almost ALL speculation. The tower burned and the Beast's were resurrected 150 years before the games take place. You have absolutely no idea what Pokemon the Sages used back then, and even if they did use Eevee's that they hadn't evolved yet, had a trainer lost a Pokemon in the fire we would have known what Pokemon died. All evidence points to wild Pokemon that would be found in or around Ecruteak that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. they were likely fairly weak Pokemon who weren't supposed to die in the fire, and in return they were given great power to prevent a second death. The Sage's using the 3 1st Gen Eeveelutions is likely to honor the Legendary Beasts who rose from the dead and Ho-Oh who returned them to life.

Not to mention that Eevee are fully domesticated Pokemon, there has never been a truly wild Eevee in any of the main Pokemon games. The Trophy Garden in Sinnoh is the closest thing we've had, and even Mr. Backlot is forced to have the butler import them to the garden after lying about seeing one in there. Domestication takes a LONG time ("modern" dogs were domesticated up to 30,000 years ago), so its not like Eevee were wild 150 years ago. So if there was Eevee in Ecruteak back then, they were trainer owned. And I think a trainer would know if his pet died. lol

No offense, but the Eevee theory is one of the ones least likely to have happened. Comparing the resurrection of the dead Pokemon into the Beasts to a "super" evolution of resurrected Eevee is just plain odd. legendary Pokemon aren't related to normal Pokemon, that's what sets them apart as Legends.

3 dead Ratatta (or other common Pokemon) that people didn't realize were trapped in the fire makes way more sense than 3 dead Eevee that people somehow "misplaced and forgot about".

[FLOOTENKERP]

Hm, damn Klaat I forgot about the Kimono girls... you bring up very good points, it's just how Eevee do not inhabit the tower that bothers me, how would they be in their? Did they just randomly decide to come in? I mean, the reaction theory makes sense, but it's just the question on why the Eevee's would be in there at the moment.

[Klaatu]

Hm, damn Klaat I forgot about the Kimono girls... you bring up very good points, it's just how Eevee do not inhabit the tower that bothers me, how would they be in their? Did they just randomly decide to come in? I mean, the reaction theory makes sense, but it's just the question on why the Eevee's would be in there at the moment.

Well the only thing I come up with is that 3 Sages were once protectors of the Brass Tower and used an Eevee each...


I don't get it tough how the legends having been Rattatas is less speculation and more logical than the Eevee theory, which is what DanteKoriyu is pointing out.
Anything about this is speculation, especially since this thread is about just that. Searching for the last small hints and speculating.

How much the assumed time for domestication of dogs in the real world takes, tells us that there were not 3 Eevees in the Brass tower 150 years ago?
o_o

[DanteKoriyu]

Now you're stating the obvious. I know every bit of this is speculation. I've posted like 3 times throughout the topic asking why this debate is still going on when there isn't any real evidence to prove any of the theories. But since it won't die, I might as well take part.

How is it less speculation? Ratatta live in the Tin Tower, and most likely the Brass Tower before it burned down, they also live in the Burnt Tower after it...well, burnt. We know they were around the area for sure, animal locations don't often change unless they are forced to via an outside influence. We have no proof what-so-ever what Pokemon the tower protectors were using 150 years ago, only the modern ones. For all we know, the Eevee in Ecruteak could be a recent trend that caught on after 3 sages obtained some to evolve into the 1st Gen Eeveelutions to honor the Beasts that rose from the dead. There is no information about the past besides vague bits and pieces about the towers meaning and then the burning, and not much else.

You're missing the point there. I was saying that there is fossil evidence of dog domestication 30,000 years ago, meaning most animals that are domestic have been so for a long period of time (though most probably not as long as dogs. lol). Eevee is never truly found in the wild in any of the main games. It is always a gift, imported, or needs to be bred, proof that it is an extremely rare domesticated Pokemon. All this means is that if there were Eevee in the tower, they would have definitely been owned by a trainer. A trainer would keep track of their Pokemon, no people died in the fire, so why would the trainer have been able to get out when the Pokemon couldn't? The natural reaction to protect a Pokemon is to withdraw it into a Pokeball (this is even seen by us players when we switch out a Pokemon we know can't win in a battle), so how did the Eevee die? It would raise more questions of how these guardian sages were protectors of Ho-Oh (who is waiting for the hearts of humans and Pokemon to coincide again) if they failed to even take care of their own Pokemon. Them being common Pokemon (like Ratatta) just makes more sense. The sages, while trying to help all the Pokemon out of the burning flames, can't be sure of how many wild Pokemon are actually living in the tower and they were likely just overlooked.

The most outrageous fact is the thinking that a blazing fire, a lightning strike, and a torrential downpour are going to turn resurrected Eevee into "super" Eeveelutions. The 1st Gen Eeveelutions evolve via radiation from special stones. The rain at the very least would have been deadly to those around had it been radiated. =P Looking at it in the big picture, the 3 events are just death warrants. The fire will roast you you, the lightning will flash fry you, and the water will drown you. Makes more sense to me that Ho-Oh just gave the dead Pokemon the types of the disasters that were present at the tower, not that the disasters themselves influenced an Eevee to "super" evolve into a legendary.

[pokeamvstudio]

I think flareon jolteon and vaporeon have a connection because if you've played the first pokemon ranger game you needed to catch them in order to get to the three legendery dogs

[Klaatu]

I'm not saying that an Eevee struck by lighting will evolve into Raikou without Ho-oh doing it's "magic".

But you have to admit that the eeveelutions are surprisingly similar to the beasts.

Well maybe theres some other explanation how 3 Eevees got into the tower, but it's definitely not impossible.
I hope they'll give us some hints in HGSS

So Rattata is the logical conclusion considering the place, and Eevees are, considering the similarities between the eeveelutions and the beasts.

[KyoMcFizzle]

Who's to say they were even Candid pokemon in the first place? Who's to say they weren't just regular dogs? Additionally, who's to say they weren't some random pokemon? Like Raikou being a Pikachu, Entei being a houndour, and suicune being some random water type? After all, it says they were given the forms of the three beasts, so it's somewhat plausible that they could've just been some random pokemon, no?

[COBHC]

i think the three were bidofs

[Klaatu]

Who's to say they were even Candid pokemon in the first place? Who's to say they weren't just regular dogs? Additionally, who's to say they weren't some random pokemon? Like Raikou being a Pikachu, Entei being a houndour, and suicune being some random water type? After all, it says they were given the forms of the three beasts, so it's somewhat plausible that they could've just been some random pokemon, no?

It's also plausible that they were of the Normal type before, as it was Ho-oh who embodied them with the elements of lightning, flames and rain when giving them the new forms. There wouldn't be any point in that if they were already of those types.

[hotpinkmunchlax]

This is what happens when ditto and eevee get high lol
~hotpinkmunchlax

[This is a normal username]

Entei, Suicune and Raikou were Entei, Suicune and Raikou before they were revived, respectively.

Poor imagination? Nope... I'm just right until I'm proven wrong. :)

[DanteKoriyu]

No, that would just be completely redundant. You are telling me that RAIKOU, ENTEI, and SUICUNE... were killed by a fire? Entei is a fire type and Suicune is a water type, neither of which help your theory at all, as they could handle the flames. And while Raikou may be an electric type, it still learns Rain Dance, and is a Legendary to boot. It wouldn't get trapped by a fire.

The whole legend is about the loss of innocent life being granted a second chance in a new more powerful/durable form. What is the point if they were Legends already?

[This is a normal username]

No, that would just be completely redundant. You are telling me that RAIKOU, ENTEI, and SUICUNE... were killed by a fire? Entei is a fire type and Suicune is a water type, neither of which help your theory at all, as they could handle the flames. And while Raikou may be an electric type, it still learns Rain Dance, and is a Legendary to boot. It wouldn't get trapped by a fire.

The whole legend is about the loss of innocent life being granted a second chance in a new more powerful/durable form. What is the point if they were Legends already?

They were at level 1. They had no chance. Level ones are innocent lives, are they not?

[DanteKoriyu]

Your theory still has the same hole in it. Even IF they were already the Beast Trio, and Lv. 1, all three of them wouldn't have died. While Suicune maybe a water type, it lacks a water attack. But at the very least, Entei wouldn't have perished from the fire. It is a fire type, capable of spewing flames as hot as magma, which is much hotter than the flames of a burning building. Not to mention fire types can't be burned by fire, therefor Entei cannot BURN TO DEATH.

The fallacy renders the theory null. Not that the theory makes sense anyway. The legend says that the towns people of Ecruteak were scared of the beasts that rose from the ashes after they saw Ho-Oh reincarnate them. Why would they be scared of the Beast Trio then, but not before, it stands to reason that they were Pokemon without great power beforehand.

[chycorita]

700 years before Generation II, the people of Ecruteak built two nine-tier towers with the hopes of fostering friendship and hope between Pokémon and humans. They were the Brass Tower in the west, which was said to awaken Pokémon, and the Tin Tower in the east, where Pokémon were said to rest. Both towers became the roost of powerful flying Pokémon: Ho-Oh and Lugia.

However, about 150 years before the games' events, a lightning bolt struck the Brass Tower. It was engulfed in flames that raged for three days. A sudden downpour finally put out the blaze, but it had already burnt to the ground. Three nameless Pokémon perished in the fire. But Ho-Oh descended from the sky and resurrected them. The Pokémon are said to embody three powers: the lightning that struck the tower, the fire that burned the tower, and the rain that put out the fire. When the Pokémon appeared, they struck terror in those who saw their rise. The three Pokémon, knowing their own power, fled, running like the wind off into the grassland.

Ho-Oh and Lugia haven't been seen since the fire. According to legend, when the souls of Pokémon and humans commune, upon the emergence of a trainer who has the ability to touch the souls of Pokémon, Ho-Oh will return from the heavens.

Bulbapedia. It could have been anything

---------- Post added at 06:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:52 PM ----------

Lightning: Raikou Burning: Entei Water putting the fire out: Suicune

[DanteKoriyu]

700 years before Generation II, the people of Ecruteak built two nine-tier towers with the hopes of fostering friendship and hope between Pokémon and humans. They were the Brass Tower in the west, which was said to awaken Pokémon, and the Tin Tower in the east, where Pokémon were said to rest. Both towers became the roost of powerful flying Pokémon: Ho-Oh and Lugia.

However, about 150 years before the games' events, a lightning bolt struck the Brass Tower. It was engulfed in flames that raged for three days. A sudden downpour finally put out the blaze, but it had already burnt to the ground. Three nameless Pokémon perished in the fire. But Ho-Oh descended from the sky and resurrected them. The Pokémon are said to embody three powers: the lightning that struck the tower, the fire that burned the tower, and the rain that put out the fire. When the Pokémon appeared, they struck terror in those who saw their rise. The three Pokémon, knowing their own power, fled, running like the wind off into the grassland.

Ho-Oh and Lugia haven't been seen since the fire. According to legend, when the souls of Pokémon and humans commune, upon the emergence of a trainer who has the ability to touch the souls of Pokémon, Ho-Oh will return from the heavens.

Bulbapedia. It could have been anything

---------- Post added at 06:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:52 PM ----------

Lightning: Raikou Burning: Entei Water putting the fire out: Suicune

We already knew all of that, and we've already agreed that we know that. The argument now is just for fan curiosity of the likely candidates for PokeDeath in the fire.

[Ryo]

It could be probable that the Pokemon they were, prior to their rebirth, are Pokemon that are; A) Long gone, as they perished "150 years ago" or B) Pokemon that we haven't been introduced to just yet.
Also, most likely a trio of normal type beast-like Pokemon.

Or if that doesn't float your boat, the idea of them originally being Vaporeon, Jolteon and Flareon seemingly works, presuming that they "embodied" the three elements they already retained.
Or maybe they were just three Eevees.

[tkdtju]

One theory that was posted a while back was that the three dogs had an origin form like Giratina, I know that the game is out and this probably isn't true but what if there was like a book somewhere that had pics of these origin form Beasts just for the Pokedex and you couldn't catch them

[nekoakuma]

they were the old pokemon you find as statues in ruins of alph.
they were all an unknown type, possibly ??? though.
died and reborn.

[DanteKoriyu]

Both of those are .... The beasts did have an "Origin" form... it was a whole different Pokemon before they died and were reincarnated as the beast trio. They don't need alternate forms, especially since they weren't designed to have them in the first place.

As for them being ??? type Pokemon of the statues you find in the Ruins of Alph...those are all Rhydon statues, and we know Rhydon's typing.

[kris12k4]

well...whatever, entei for the win...fire rules!!!!

[Doomy]

the eeveelution seems very plausible but if entei was an arcanine before the fire....what would suicune and raikou have been ofcourse if entei "was" Arcanine he wouldn't have died in the fire and would have gotten out while it could
the rattata one doesn't work though yes it could have changed its type but a rat resembling pokemon suddenly changing into a dog resemblin pokemon just doesn't work very well

[Dolebiscuit]

They should have completed the legend to begin with. It's stupid to make something up as you go along. Most times it ends abruptly.

Haha, reminds me of the GS ball.

[ZMaster]

Entei, Suicune and Raikou were Entei, Suicune and Raikou before they were revived, respectively.

Poor imagination? Nope... I'm just right until I'm proven wrong. :)

I completely agree with this. They were not Eevees previously. If they were, where are the rebirth-ed versions Espeon, Umbreon, Leafeon, & Glaceon? And what about basic Eevee itself?

[Neo]

My thoughts are that they were once different Pokemon that died and were resurrected. Once they came back to life, they were born stronger as different species.

[Darkraivids]

Since the Eevee evolutions were sacred in Ecruteak Town, they probably where Flareon for Entei, Vaporeon for Suicune, and Jolteon for Raikou. I know it sounds a bit absurd, but they were sacred there, so that would be the best explanation...I hope.

[nathanmcnutt]

It is believed that Entei, before it perished in the Burnt Tower, was a Flareon. This is supported by the fact that the Burnt Tower is in Ekruteak City, a city where Eevee and it's evolution forms are very popular.

It is believed that Raikou, before it perished in the Burnt Tower, was a Jolteon. This is supported by the fact that the Burnt Tower is in Ekruteak City, a city where Eevee and it's evolution forms are very popular.

It is believed that Suicune, before it perished in the Burnt Tower, was a Vaporeon. This is supported by the fact that the Burnt Tower is in Ekruteak City, a city where Eevee and it's evolution forms are very popular.


Strait from the Wiki. It may not be 100% reliable. But from playing silver and crystal I believe that it was mentioned in the games.

[Dash]

Strait from the Wiki. It may not be 100% reliable. But from playing silver and crystal I believe that it was mentioned in the games.




acutally that backs up davids view and i would seem to think that to be correct.
in all honesty they should make a movie about it

would be amazing to acutally know what happend.

[sakura_lisel]

I think they were some kind of cat pokemon before they became legendaries. Everybody calls them the DOG pokemon, but come on you can can tell they are cats just by LOOKING at them. *lol*

Entei looks like a Lion.
Raikou's a Sabertooth Tiger
and Suicune's off a panther of some sort

I don't see where anyone got the idea that they were dogs despite what real life animals they obviously look like. *lol*

But then we'd have to figure out just what kind of pokemon cats are they??

[nathanmcnutt]

They are confirmed to be dogs, not cats. Sorry.

[mangaxlr]

maybe the creators of the manga/anime series didn't even think about this, and you just
can't accept the fact that there might be no explanation? just my opinion, might be wrong, but a possibility.

[Lucario]

Well to be different, i guess they weren't really a different being than themselves. Because if you can remember the first time you catch Ho-oh in G/S/C versions, it was holding the sacred ash w/c many of us knew its effect. And if that was the case in the (many)mysteries of pokemon, Ho-oh used sacred ash for them(just an opinion, no violent reactions). Speaking of mysteries, do you guys still remember Ash's(satoshi) butterfree and the pink butterfree? Or what the hell happened to his primeape? Ash again leaving all his pokemon and friends and doesn't care about most of them anymore.

[amh7912]

Just to put it out there, bringing up a topic from earlier, there were multiple instances of normal animals from the first gen. There was Gastly using something that eats snakes to scare Ekans, the actual animal. There were multiple other instances, I just can't recall them off the top of my head. And I kinda like the idea of unknown Pokemon personally.

EDIT: it was a mongoose, and heres a link with other stuff. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Animals_in_the_Pok%C3%A9mon_world

[ZMaster]

My theory is that in future Pokémon generations, they'll introduce the 3 Pokémon that were to become what is known today as Entei, Raikou and Suicune. I really don't think 3 Eevees became the 3 legendary dogs.

[Klaatu]

My theory is that in future Pokémon generations, they'll introduce the 3 Pokémon that were to become what is known today as Entei, Raikou and Suicune. I really don't think 3 Eevees became the 3 legendary dogs.

They would have released those 3 pokemon long ago if it was like that, not wait 3 generations lol.
BTW: if you don't agree that lions and tigers are cats, call them beasts at least, because legendary dogs is WTF.. <,<

They were Eevee's, because of the following reasons.
-Eevee's are common as pets in Ecruteak city.
-The killed pokemon were resurrected by Ho-oh, who also embodied them with the elements of the events that destroyed the tower, lightning, burning and rain. Remember that Eevee's already evolve naturally when they get in contact with elemental stones. What Ho-oh did was like giving them an overdose of elemental evolution xDD
-The 3 Sages "protectors of the Tin Tower" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8t8Ly0hfXY) each own a Noctowl and one of the original 3 eeveelutions.

[ZMaster]

They would have released those 3 pokemon long ago if it was like that, not wait 3 generations lol.
BTW: if you don't agree that lions and tigers are cats, call them beasts at least, because legendary dogs is WTF.. <,<

They could introduce new Pokémon at any time, and they've done so far by having pre-evolutions and advanced evolutions. And I'll start calling them legendary beasts, then, seeing as dog is a bit controversial lol.

[Gengarca9tales]

some good points being thrown around here. I like the eevee thought, makes sense.

[KimoTh3rapy]

how awesome would it be to have their original forms (if they were different to begin with) as 5th gen pokes?

[Bassito]

Maybe you see Eevee around there to much because they are the poor people's Legendary Dogs, they can't catch one so they get the next best thing ;D I still think they were what they are now, they died because they tried to protect the tower or whatever could've been there, it was Ho-Oh's sacred shrine after all, or maybe decided to be with it at all times.

[SmellTheBurningEmber]

The original 3 Eeveelutions do seem the most logical; however, until I hear a statement from Game Freak, the Legendary Beasts are simply the Legendary Beasts. ~STBE

[Vlad]

I am not a big fan of the evolution theory in general because there are many species and they all have like 2-3 evolutions but you don't really know where a Pikachu really came from, what it evolved from in the first place. The evolution theory is crap and introducing a theory that the legendary dogs evolved from some other Pokemon species just makes it all more confusing. Just stick to them being dead and that you revive them -fits much better with the already establishes premises and it does not create new unsolvable questions that you do get when you roll with the evolution version of the story.

Things were much more simpler if this had taken place on a planet far far away where Ash and his friends traveled to it -thus not knowing anything about Pokemon fits perfectly in and having the Pokedex even makes more sense (I find it odd that until now no one cared to gather data about Pokemon, and besides if the Pokedex is pre-programmed why do Ash have to go around gather "data"?...) Anyway this is my little rant on the evolution issue and some fundamental issues I have with the story itself. There is no real answer because they just make shit up lol, just stick with the story that you like best and grew up with and ignore stuff that are suddenly implemented and don't make any sense. :P

[amh7912]

I'm going to ignore everything unrelated but the pikachu comment, to which I say pichu. As for the whole hatin on the current theorys, these are all theorys or fan fics, just good fan fics, I really think the rattata theory was started as a joke, but this is for theorys, so theoretically speaking, there could have ben a fountain where Remoraid lived, and when the fire hit the fountain was destroyed, and the Remoraid died, then Ho-oh did his whole revival to control the elements that caused the damage, and Suicune was created partially out of Ho-ohs imagination, which is why Suicune has a bigger role in the series.

[Vlad]

I'm not good at explaining, but it does not mater it's just a franchise and they will make shit up to suit their needs of money and continuation of the story -if it's profitable. ^^

[Gliscor]

awesome.

[amh7912]

awesome.

best answer thusfar, I vote way more awesome than now, that way they can be EPIC in my generation.

[Klaatu]

They were always the beasts.
They were the original eeveelutions.
These 2 don't make sense.

Lightning struck the tower, it burned and the fire was then put out by heavy rainfall.
3 Pokemon died.
Ho-oh revived them and EMBODIED THEM WITH THE ELEMENTS OF THE 3 EVENTS that destroyed the tower.

-So you see, they couldn't have been Electric, Fire and Water typed already before. Considering that, Normal is the only logical type they could have been. Anyone thinking otherwise is ignoring the few facts we have.

Now think about it.
Eevee's can evolve into 3 different species when they are exposed to elemental stones (of thunder, fire and water).
Whatever the beasts were before, it is a fact they were given an overdose of elemental power from Ho-oh and became what they are.
It makes perfect sense that they were 3 Eevees.

[Yangbo]

I always had the idea that the 3 beasts were nature brought to live by Ho-Oh

[Shunkan]

I always thought that they were Jolteon, Flareon and Vaporeon. It marks with they types (ELECTR, WATER, FIRE).

[Klaatu]

I always thought that they were Jolteon, Flareon and Vaporeon. It marks with they types (ELECTR, WATER, FIRE).

Read some posts like number 218.

[Mewtwo Ex]

Read some posts like number 218.


You can stop enforcing your idea now. A suggestion is a suggestion. You already said a few times what you think it might be according to you.

[Klaatu]

You can stop enforcing your idea now. A suggestion is a suggestion. You already said a few times what you think it might be according to you.

They got the elements when Ho-oh revived them. This is not a suggestion. I'm trying to point out that they couldn't have been of those types before.
I don't care if someone thinks they were rattatas or whatever, as long as it's not of the few possibilities we can actually exclude by reasoning.

[Skyblade12]

They got the elements when Ho-oh revived them. This is not a suggestion. I'm trying to point out that they couldn't have been of those types before.
I don't care if someone thinks they were rattatas or whatever, as long as it's not of the few possibilities we can actually exclude by reasoning.

Actually, not true. Just because they were imbued with the powers of the event, that does not give any indication of their powers before the event. If you were to imbue a Vaporeon with Water, Fire, and Lightning, it might very well become a much bulked up Pokemon, but its affinity for Water causes it to absorb the water infusion better than the others, keeping it a pure Water type.

In fact, that could make more sense than them being Normal typed, since if you infused a Normal with water from the storm, wouldn't you get a Water-Normal type Pokemon? But the beasts aren't dual-typed.

There is no indication at all about what they were before the tower burned down. Nintendo has told us nothing. What you presented as "facts" were personal interpretations, nothing more.

As it happens, I don't really disagree with your idea. Eevee is the most variable Pokemon there is, and has ties to the city through the Kimono sisters. But please don't pass speculation off as fact.

[DeathWatch]

I don't think we will ever know.

[Shadow_Overlord]

We wont know for a very long time. Stop trying to force the d*** eevee idea on us. That is your opinion. I believe that they were created from the elements and 3 UNKNOWN pokemon. The game doesnt go into specifics about it. Both the original GSC and HGSS.

[Pride]

As I said before it's the opposite.
Consider the fact that Ho-oh embodied the revived Pokemon with the Elements of the events that happened. It wouldn't make sense if they already were of these typings.

I still think the theory of them to have been Eevees is the most plausible. It has the most information backing it up (while the others don't have any xD).

EDIT:
I made this out of boredom xD
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5747/legendaryeevees.png

Makes Perfect Sense! Plus Look At How The Sprites Are Standing That Shows Their Nature Alone They Have The Same Poses In A Way Right? They Seem Pretty Close And I Think Your Right!;):kikkoman:

[Skyblade12]

So if I have Ho-oh on my team and use a thousand Water Stones on Eevee, I can get as many Suicunes as I want?

It's like the Gen 1 Mew theories all over again. :)

[Cortal]

Since the tower was filled with pokemon, isnt it possible alot of pokemon died there? maybe the legendary gerbils are the spirits of ALL the dead pokemon in the tower. and who knows, before the tower burned, it may not have been infested with rattata. they could have moved there AFTER the fire since it was abandoned. It could have been bellsprout for all we know.

[amh7912]

I like this one. It makes sense and says that anything else that died could have survived. Points to you cortal. To keep going on this theory, did it actually say they were even pokemon before? If not they COULD have just been wild animals since those exist.

[Cortal]

I belive it said it was pokemon in the legend. With how this discussion has been going, though, it could be moon people for all we know :P

But yeah it did say there were unknown pokemon in the tower that were killed. Maybe a pokemon maniac/cllector lived there and had rare, unheard of pokemon.

[doombringer505]

think this way... (in this scenario, assume there's a storm)

vaporeon, flareon, and jolteon decided to explore the tower. they separate to search faster. jolteon went to the top and was hit by a powerful lightning bolt. vaporeon went to the basement. rain had built up on the floor above and it suddenly gave out directly on vaporeon. flareon stayed near the base of the tower when they set it on fire. several flaming wooden supports and floorboards slammed on him. i know their abilities make them stronger when hit with their own element, but they can only handle so much power. they were so 'juiced up' that their physical bodies started tearing apart. then Ho-Oh came and reshaped their bodies to handle the impossibly high power and re-bound their souls to them.

isn't this at least within the realm of reasonable doubt? it explains why they are similar. it would fit (to some extent) with the story behind them. it would solve the mystery without completely going out off the way to say it was some impossible and stupid cosmic phenomena. there is definitely some room for improvements upon my theory. if you want to add or change something, please give me some credit. now that ends my first post on this site.
now to sleep.

[Weon Saturn]

Entei could have been either a Houndour or a Growlithe (or any of their evolutions)
Raikou could have been either a Shinx or a Electrike (or any of their evolutions)
That leaves Suicune open for me, because I feel that it must also have been a canine-like pokémon. It could also have been an Absol, but that disturbs the theory about keeping their own type.

Maybe this will be revealed in the new movie, since the beasts will appear in the new movie. But that's just spectulation on my part.

[WinCamXP]

hmmmm...let ME make something up like doombringer505 did...

Long before the time of humans when ancient (and even now undiscovered) Pokémon roamed the earth, which had intelligence greatly superior to ours, built two towers and used their ancient powers to enchant it to keep it standing and in the same place. Since there were Magic-types back then, this was actually possible. They forgot to protect them from natural damage, though, and when some of the ancient Pokémon were doing housekeeping (all who had matching types of the legendary cats/dogs/gerbils) a lightning bolt struck one of the towers. It became a fireball of death, and the Pokémon inside were trapped as falling debris blocked the exits and their enchantment prevented them from using attacks or abilities while inside. They were protected from the fire, thanks to their trusty Magic-types, but since they had no escape some rogue Pokémon living there had a...feast, I should say, when the trio was sleeping. Ho-oh came and realized what was going on, and then attacked the feasting Pokémon with Sacred Fire and instantly took them all out. It let out a loud screech to be heard all over the land, signaling the Pokémon a death had just happened. They gathered around the tower and watched Ho-oh resurrect the trio, but seriously weakening itself in the process. It fled to the Bell Tower and began a long slumber, until humans walked the Earth and one worthy of Ho-oh obtained the Rainbow Wing...and once the item fell into the right hands, it would awaken and fly into hiding, watching for the worthy person to reach the Bell Tower...

[Utopia]

I think the legend was created and then just leaved as it was, I mean that probably is something they just created to explain why the three dogs appeared in the new games as legendary dogs and not as normal pokèmons. But the theory of the eveelution seems interesting. Nintendo should develop such things.

[Klaatu]

"but that disturbs the theory about keeping their own type"

I give up ):

[Kalarm]

A legend is first and foremost a LEGEND AKA "An unverified story handed down from earlier times, especially one popularly believed to be historical."

In other words, nothing say that the 3 beasts were resurrected or anything as such. We don't quite know what role Ho-oh has in the world. He he often called the "guardian of the skies". What if Ho-oh had the task of protecting the skies. Task given by some other legendary pokemon... Maybe he did his task but one day, he and Lugia decided that they needed to something to be the guardians of the land. Thus, maybe they created these 3 together. After all, what is between the skies and the seas? The earth. Someone may have witnessed the act and thought that Ho-oh resurrected some pokemons when in truth, these 3 were created from the knowledge and wisdom of Ho-oh (and possibly lugia).

I do think it could also be eevee too. Maybe eevees were not always rare. Maybe they occupied the tower when the even occured. Since eevees are mutants, when ho-oh ressurected them, they still had the power of the storm, water and flame that killed them. This mixture of power transformed them into the legendary beasts we now know instead of simply being flareon+jolteon+vaporeon.

So yeah... unless a pokemon game make us re-witness said events, we will might never know :-/.

[MightySol]

This is a little off topic but does anyone know which pokemon created Entei? Is it Ho-Oh or is it the unown I don't have a single clue about it!

[ShaunMichaels83]

Nintendo is notorious for leaving information out. They may never tell us. And to be honest, I never thought bout what Raikou, Suicune and Entei were before they became their present selves until reading all this. But then again, there's alot of things we don't know about Pokemon which we are eager to know. Like is Lugia related to Latios and Latias after all? Did Mew come before Arceus or vice versa? We just don't know.

[MightySol]

Raikou could have been a Raichu the names are alike Suicune could have been an Altaria ( Suicune's mane looks like the clouds of an Altaria ) I agree that Entei was an Arcanine. But Suicune could have also been the female evolution of Snorunt ( male evolution of Snorunt is called Glalie if I'm not mistaken ) Then again Raikou could have been an Amphpharos or however you spell it.

[Cortal]

You guys keep forgeting a big part of the legend. They were embodied with the elements that destroyed the tower. Why embody them with elements they already have?

[Haziel005]

they were 3 dittos and when they bonded with the elements they transformed 0.o

[Darius]

Entei must be Arcanine
Suicune must be Glaceon
Raikou must be Magnectric

[Sel]

My theory is this; The beast Trio of today were, before death, the ledgendary bird trio. It was said that Lugia(the bird trio master) once roosted in the Burnt tower. Also, the tower was hit by lightning. this may have weakened the trio(due to their shared weakness of electric type attacks) and rendered them unable to escape, or possibly been the cause of death. Though it would have had to have been an extremely powerful attack. Possibly a lightning type Judgment from Arceus himself? if so, for what reason?

[ezra1810]

I think the three legendarys trio is theirself before that.
Why ? Because : yes, Ho-oh can revive pokemon but he can't make on. Remember the ancestor of pokemon is Mew since it can use any type of move.

[thunderwolf27]

I agree up to the lightning striking them part. If lightning was to strike them i believe that lugia would have stopped it, and if he couldn't they only two would have died, only zapdos would have survived that conciderig that he is electric too.

[Kuroi-kun]

I agree up to the lightning striking them part. If lightning was to strike them i believe that lugia would have stopped it, and if he couldn't they only two would have died, only zapdos would have survived that conciderig that he is electric too.

Hmm I agree with this logic

[Sel]

I agree up to the lightning striking them part. If lightning was to strike them i believe that lugia would have stopped it, and if he couldn't they only two would have died, only zapdos would have survived that conciderig that he is electric too.
Perhaps the collapsing tower pinned his wings during the fire? And if lugia had been there at the time of the accident, it would've most likely been prevented all together..
o_o though that makes it seem more like some one waited until Lugia has out to launch an attack on his trio.

[aquaguy34]

my geust would probely be flareon, jolteon, and vaporeon

reason is that these eeveelutions have similar stats, type, and moveset to the legendary beast, jolteon is good in special attack and is somewhat fast like raikou, flareon is good in attack but has a horrible moveset like entei, and vaporeon can be defensive and somewhat slow like suicune

[Devoid]

but wait wasn't it ho-oh who used to stay in the burnt tower not lugia i thought lugia was the literall beast of the sea