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Boomburst is what? Normal?? Oh boy... while Normal has nice neutral coverage, its lack of STAB and its boringness like Hyper Voice is just annoying. Oh well... I'm still thinking this thing will have mostly Flying moves along with random Dragon Pulse and Heat Wave (widely distributed to random fliers) Actually, I just remembered the 3 Sinnoh starters had the same issue: Torterra's two typing had advantage against BOTH of Empoleon's (though Empoleon learned Ice Beam to mitigate that, but not naturally, mind you), and Infernape just destroyed both -__-. They might just do that to be a total troll once more, but I don't want a Water/Dark. We already have Crawdaunt and Sharpedo (though we also have Shiftry and Cacturne as well) If it is Grass/Fighting, then it faces stiff competition from Breloom (who hits like a lorry on steroids and has access to Spore) or Virizion (who is versatile as special and physical attack, speedy, specially tanky). However, a lower tiered Grass/Fighting would be nice. I'm very certain it will learn Swords Dance: almost EVERY Grass Pokemon does. Also, inb4 all starters are Grass/Fighting, Fire/Fighting, Water/Fighting

Some remarks about the Pokemon from above... Chespin I'm afraid for this guy. Asides from the fact he looks like Dewott, he does look like he is going the defensive way. Many people speculate this thing will become Grass/Dark. By the looks of it, he does look like he is going to be a defensive Pokemon. Grass types being defensive makes sense. By their nature and how their attacks are, Grass Pokemon can become defensive. But the problem is those weaknesses. Grass/Dark (remember this is just speculation) will bring myriads of weaknesses, including a nasty 4x weakness to Bug, and many common weaknesses such as Fire/Ice/Flying/Fighting... even Poison may become popular offensively if Fairies start coming in (though I doubt it since Steels already exist). For the past few generations, there have been many defensive Grass Pokemon starters, particularly Meganium and Serperior. Venusaur and Torterra were also defensive to some extent. Comparing them, Venusaur skyrocketed in usage due to Chlorophyll, access to Growth, great defensive typing (due to the Poison subtype), and a usable movepool. Torterra was not a bad choice either. It only ended up in the lower tiers because of its 4x Ice weakness and slow speed. But Torterra's typing was not a bad one and is a great offensive and defensive pivot generally, and a movepool that most other Grass Pokemon had to breed to get, such as Leech Seed. Notice that these two Pokemon were defensive and offensive at the same time. The problems with Meganium and Serperior, I feel, is that they were pure Grass types, and although Meganium's defensive stats were great (80/100/100 is not bad at all), it generally had nothing to offer against all the other defensive Grass types, leaving it stuck in obscurity. Aromatherapy is good, but what it needs is Sleep Powder. It can use Swords Dance, but it generally is not the best for that job. I really hope they do something for that awesome Meganium. Serperior is also that way, as its 75/95/95 defences, while okay, is still not all that great. Its offences are even worse at middling 75/75, though its speed at 113, allowing for some interesting usage of Leech Seed/dual screens/Taunt/Torment/Glare/Dragon Tail usage. Problem with Serperior is, Pokemon like Whimsicott rendered Serperior irrelevant, because no matter how fast your speed is, things with Prankster always get the jump on it. Not to mention Serperior's attack movepool was pitiful, although it could make potential Coil/Growth/Calm Mind sets. Serperior was like a bit of an experiment to see how Sceptile would be if it was leaning towards defence instead of offence. (By the way, Sceptile is a great offensive Pokemon but suffers the same problem Empoleon and Charizard has by having a larger physical than special movepool). It seems Serperior's irrelevance as a defensive Pokemon changes when one realises its Dream World ability is Contrary, allowing Leaf Storm + Dragon Pulse + HP Ice/Fire/Rock combo for excellent sweepage. And it is weird: these defensive Pokemon have to resort to offence to make themselves relevant. For something that would become Grass/Dark, it would do well to be an offensive Pokemon, or be a hybrid much like Venusaur and Torterra was: be defensive and offensive. Being purely defensive like Meganium or non DW Serperior would bring disaster. What would benefit Chespin would be a build that is semi defensive, like Serperior's, but good enough offences, like Torterra's. Venusaur is only able to succeed due to its DW ability making it all the relevant for Growth spam and utter destruction (and Sleep Powder, which is key to setting up). Chespin will no doubt receive Overgrow as its ability, but if its DW ability turns out to be something scary, perhaps it can be salvageable. Otherwise this thing will not see much usage in the upper tiers, like the majority of the starter Pokemon. Grass/Dark is going to be massacred if it is purely defensive: 'nuff said. I do hope it can be set apart from Shiftry and Cacturne, however. Fennekin Fire Pokemon were always the offensive or speedy types of the starters. Well, Emboar wasn't particularly speedy (though it had Flame Charge), but it was still offensive and powerful. I don't expect Fennekin to be any different. It does remind me of Ninetales, except I believe it may gain a Psychic subtype (from the speculations). It will most likely specialise in speed and Special Attack (and outclass Ninetales in terms of stats by miles... fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it). Oh come on, Ninetales will almost always be relevant to the metagame due to its Drought ability. *watches DW ability become Drought for Fennekin* But of course, that's Tyranitar weak or something, but nonetheless, should it draw any inspiration from Ninetales, except similar movepool regarding deceptive moves like Hypnosis or some new moves. What I'm afraid of is the Charizard syndrome (and I don't mean the 4x SR weakness), but the syndrome that Sceptile and even something recent as Empoleon suffered: strong special attack stat, but too much physical movepool and even having access to Swords Dance and not Nasty Plot nor Calm Mind. But should this thing be a Ninetales of some sort, perhaps Calm Mind and Nasty Plot may end up in its roster. I'm not sure. However, I do see this thing being another cool Fire Pokemon to use in the lower tiers, like UU, as a counter to Fairies, should Fire and Psychic types resist Fairy moves as speculated. I cannot say this thing is boring, but I think it is quite predictable and that it will become another nimble "glass cannon" Fire Pokemon. But Gamefreak is always full of surprises: what if this thing becomes the defensive Fire Pokemon? Oh hey remember when Mascargo was last OU? Yeah me neither. Froakie Oh boy... this will become Poliwrath's cousin? Another Water/Fighting... hey look another Frog (looks at Politoed). Oh don't worry Politoed, your Drizzle is too important to be discarded *watches Froakie gain Drizzle*. I find it funny Gamefreak gave two of my favourite Pokemon Drought and Drizzle to make them relevant in the upper tier of the metagame, and then they put two of my favourite species of animals as starters for this generation. Personal opinions aside, the general trend for Water types were balanced. So far, Blastoise and Feraligatr are the fastest Water starters at 78, but the other Water types ended up at 60 or 70 afterwards, but their defences and offences were always decent enough to be used. Water Pokemon were always very versatile, and I don't believe Froakie will be an exception. However, starting from last generation, they started denying certain Water Pokemon Ice Beam... on PURPOSE (those not named Magikarp). I don't know if they will continue that trend this generation, but it is possible. Either way, Froakie looks different. Should this guy be the Water/Fighting, it already shows that this thing will be an offensive Pokemon. I will laugh if its speed ends up at either 107 or 109, but I'm afraid as well as such Water Pokemon such as Floatzel or Sharpedo with that type of stat build never did so well in the upper tiers. And I'm still curious as to why, as Infernape didn't have a problem staying at the upper tiers. Keldeo is a legendary with balanced defences (a bit on the low side) and insane Special Attack and Speed, so we can count him out. I'm not sure what to think about Froakie: a Water Pokemon with little defences that isn't named Starmie doesn't do too well. But Water/Fighting STAB is always something nice, but it suffers competition from the likes of Keldeo, who has Secret Sword to destroy Blissey. That is, unless it was physically oriented (though I doubt it due to "bubbles" and stuff). Maybe if Froakie has ways to bypass Jellicent... maybe... Sylveon Sylveon will be OP and will be the reason why Dragons will stop flooding OU and everyone and their mothers will pack not ONE but TWO Scizors. Species Clause says Hai. In all seriousness, I see Fairies as an excuse to raise the concentration of Steel Pokemon... as if there weren't enough. But no worries: I'm not sure how Sylveon's stats will align, but Gamefreak always finds the biggest reasons to inconvenience the players. Leafeon... its Special Attack was at all time low, for a type that is supposed to be largely special (just imagine that thing being introduced in Gen III!), and only learns special Grass types after Razor Leaf until level 7X it learns Leaf Blade! I imagine them trolling Sylveon the same way by making Moonblast special but making its stats inclined towards physical. That's the reason why I put off getting Glaceon until endgame, where I had the TM for Ice Beam and Frost Breath and Shadow Ball, because I'm not going to go through the whole game with Ice Fang and all these other irrelevant moves! Oh right... the metagame. I just hope it isn't another 130 SpA Eeveelution and further make Glaceon irrelevant. And I still hope Fairies aren't super effective to Ice (last thing I want is a Kyurem and Weavile 4x weak to Fairies). But all I know is with stats like 130/110/95/65/65/60, it is going to impact the Dragons for certain. I'm thinking it will have Flareon-like stats. And gain Flare Blitz. And an ability to get Fire STAB. And still deny Flareon Flare Blitz. But in all seriousness, whether Sylveon and its kins will make or break the metagame, who knows? Only time will tell. Pancham That Parting Mark attack where it's a U-turn that lowers attack... while I was thinking "why lower attack when you can damage when they can just switch out to lower attack"... until I realised the very purpose of U-turn was to see what comes in, should something switch in. Lowering attack by one stage can be dangerous at times, especially by effectively neutering a Choice Banded Pokemon, defeating the whole point of the Choice Band... from, I don't know, Gyarados or Landorus. I have a feeling that move will be on things like Mienshao as well, but Pancham is most likely going to become a large panda with stats akin to Hariyama, and maybe Intimidate (imagine Intimidate + Parting Mark!). Problem is, those Pokemon tend to be slow, which may just suck when the opponent just decides to attack. But again, Gamefreak can surprise me with a Ninja Rocket Boot Panda with speed that blazes above Aerodactyl's, making Parting Mark all the more relevant. But that's all I see for now. Whether it becomes another generic Fighter or has a special niche, we don't know. I wonder if it will become part Grass, as pandas eats shoots and leaves... oh wait, did I do that right? It seems people think about that U-turn that reduces 1 attack stage, but I'm thinking that move can either be bred or be added to other Pokemon. Thinking of Oriental Pokemon (why is this Panda introduced in France??), there is this concept of inner energy, Ki, and stuff. Will it also be mixed and specially inclined like Mienshao? Maybe. But I'm uncertain. Talonflame Heh, wow. This is different. A "basic bird" (is it the basic bird?) with a typing that isn't Normal/Flying? What I see in Talonflame, asides from the lazy English name and 4x SR weakness, is a new powerful scorching Fire bird that can finally abuse high attack power and once again, be the recoil monster that Staraptor was. It'll probably have Flare Blitz, Brave Bird, Close Combat/Superpower, Wild Charge (the last two a little hesitant to say)... oh wait. Isn't that Arcanine? Yeah, I'm afraid of its possibility of outclassing the other Pokemon with similar attacks, but I don't see this thing being durable with its defences any time soon. I'm also thinking it may lack Special Attack as well, but Gamefreak can prove me wrong here too. Honchkrow was a similar Pokemon with the right attacks, but what would Talonflame bring? Just another recoil abusing Fire Pokemon? Imagine this thing with Sheer Force + Flare Blitz? Another Darmatian? Though the Flying typing does differentiate it from the others, it still has that 4x weak to Rock, neutrality to Ice, added weakness to Electricity, though the immunity to Ground does compensate. Either way, that wouldn't matter on something already as fragile as this. But if it had bulky stats or something like Braviary's stats (which I hope not), that typing won't help it. It would just be wise to make it a physical rend-and-tear Pokemon like Staraptor, and though it would probably kill anything in UU most easily, I do not know how well it would do in the overused tier with the likes of SR being dominant and the many other reasons Charizard wouldn't do well there. But this thing looks promising, for one, and would probably be another Fairy killer to be, should it be bestowed with the right stats. *stares at Unfezant and its trolled movepool* Vivillon It is very beautiful. But so was Butterfree and Beautifly. Unfortunately, neither have much use in this current metagame, being low in stats and dangerously weak to Stealth Rocks (although Butterfree can abuse Compoundeyes + Sleep Powder). It was revealed it learns Struggle Bug, that attack with little competitive value (unless, of course, Struggle Bug has become stronger). Sigh. I'm sure it will learn Quiver Dance and somehow raise its value, and if it turns out all right like Venomoth, I'd be quite happy. I'd be quite happier if Masquerain had a Bug/Water cousin with Levitate, but what do I know? It will most likely learn Psychic moves, Bug Buzz, perhaps Air Slash, etc... maybe something akin to Mothim, but generally the same as its other Level 10 bug cousins. I will still use it because I love how fabulous it looks! Unfortunately, like most of these beautiful bugs, it looks like an early Lv. 10 Butterfree used Confusion to destroy 1st gym leader kind of thing (though I think that 1st gym leader will most likely use this Pokemon)... so I cannot see it get past NU, though surprises like Venomoth (who lacks that 'auspicious' Flying type) does eventually come. Oh and Volcarona... but that's because that's Apollo or Helios or 金日成/김일성 (Kim Il Sung) in Pokemon form. -__- Noivern Um, why is this guy's primary typing Flying? That just makes this very confusing. Oh whatever... it is not like that it matters. Anyways, it came at the wrong time, where Fairies will become rampant! *shudders* Though in all honesty, we don't know how popular Fairies will become. However, one can assume by this Noise Wyvern thing's design and nomenclature, it will have noise based attacks. Also, there is one thing different. By being primarily Flying with Dragon type attached to it, this may also mean this thing may have evolved from something that was just pure Flying (that isn't Trololos #1), so unlike the past Dragon/Flyings, where they had a Flying type tacked to it with little Flying attacks put on it, maybe this one will have more specialisation towards Flying attacks and random Dragon moves like Dragon Pulse (I can see it using Dragon Pulse). Perhaps it will be specially inclined. Please don't tell me this is the SPECIAL version of HAXORUS. I'm willing to bet it's a little more defensive than your usual Pokemon, but I cannot be so sure of that either. It will most likely learn Hyper Voice (which things like Rayquaza and Hydreigon also learn), but this new attack Boomburst intrigues me. Will it be a new special Flying attack? That would be interesting actually. I'd hope it can fill in that much needed gap between Air Slash and Hurricane, and perhaps even the legendary birds of Kanto or something can use it. It also looks like it can learn Claw attacks (particularly Dragon Claw or Night Slash), or Hone Claws. This thing is quite a mystery to me. I don't like the fact he's primary Flying because it breaks old traditions, but unfortunately, things like that do die out... just like all things do.

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I didn't think so either. Drawbacks such as confusion (which seems meaningless to those with super hax) and being locked into the move for 2-3 turns makes those moves unique altogether. I do like the inclusion of Hyper Voice, but I wish more Pokemon can learn the move. I think it is due to the nature of Fire types of offensive raw power that Flare Blitz is a recoil attack, but a medium strength attack would definitely help. Arcanine particularly would like it, because although Flare Blitz KOs nearly anything that doesn't resist it due to Arcanine's power, it is usually overkill and deals so much recoil damage that Arcanine seems very fit to be a suicidal attacker. But Arcanine can be tailored to be bulky, and with access to Morning Sun, it would really appreciate a recoil-less Flame Tail attack or something. Please give Entei Wild Charge and Earthquake please! Electrics get a Giga Drainish attack apparently. I'm not sure if it will help much due to their nature of quick yet fragile, but there are exceptions like Luxray / Ampharos. Also the forgotten type, Ice type, would do better with physical Ice attacks that could be at 120 or just 100 or something, like Stone Edge. Icicle Crash needs larger distribution: Kyurem-B doesn't like going out without a physical Ice attack, though Ice Beam does suit it fine. I'm not sticking Avalanche with a - 3 priority on something like Weavile! Actually, even Rocks did well with just 100 base power Stone Edge, but you would think they'd give them some form of a 100% accurate Rock attack, which seems nonexistent at this point, asides from that Special 70 base power Power Gem. A lot of types are missing medium strength / high power attacks. Just watch it be Skarmory with Stealth Rocks + Landorus + Moxie Mence + Multiscale Dragonite... actually we'll see if there are Levitating Fairies (and there should be). What about Beedrill or Venomoth or Heracross that aren't Flying types nor possess Levitate but are, well, able to Fly? Oh imagine Gravity. Once you use that, everybody will fall to their deaths! Should entry hazards be banned (both versions of Spikes will have no effect anyways), Skarmory will have so much moveslots freed up, allowing it to do something like Swords Dance + STAB combo. Just think: a defensive tank with offensive capabilities! And Steel Wing would deal with annoying Fairies while having a chance to raise defence (although it's only 10% chance). Only thing stopping it is probably its modest speed (unless you give it Weak Armour). Won't something like Tornadus-T be broken with Regenerator and 121 speed so it can just keep switching out to heal itself and spam Hurricane? Watches Talonflame outclassing Moltres by giving it Close Combat/Brave Bird/Flare Blitz and much better speed, even if Moltres is a special attacker... Speaking of Hurricane, I'd like a battlefield option where perma-weather could be set, just for fun. Or something unique like rainy battlefield, and every X amount of turns a lightningbolt strikes with very weak power (something like 40 base power or something or dealing a fixed 12.5% damage), striking all Pokemon in the field (though it'd be better if neutral typed or something like Gyarados would be slain instantly and Landorus took nothing from it) as a form of residual damage. Or a volcanic battlefield with meteors flying through every X amount of turns with varying amount of damage/accuracy (since meteors/lava/etc can come in various sizes with various effects such as burn or lowering speed or the likes)... though it sounds a bit complex now that I think about it. About the attack stone, I'm not so sure if that's a good idea, even though it sounds quite nice, because ever since the introduction of Choice items, we gradually saw the metagame shift into a game where you can basically place 6 Choiced Pokemon and defeat the opposing team out of sheer power, even with the penalty of locking one in. Although it would only work on something that's non-evolved, what about things like Scyther or Rhydon with stats that would actually do something? Wouldn't that kind of break them? Except they now have the versatility of selecting any attacks with NO PENALTY... so it sounds a bit risky there. Zweilous's Outrage would outpower Kyurem-B's

Yeah, I do realise most people love Wish for its competitive value on Chansey/Blissey, but unfortunately, it was an Event only move, but somehow made its way as a standard moveset for competitive Chansey/Blissey. And all the way from Gen III with nobody from Smogon and the likes telling people who use actual cartridges exactly how to get Wish (although you could do your own research for it). Closing thread as question is resolved.

Chansey only learns Wish through an event that was during Generation III... New York Pokemon Center I believe. It does not learn it naturally. It can have both moves, provided the Chansey is from the event, and is taught Seismic Toss in FRLG.