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I noticed Swampert was Hardy Natured (neutral) and Scizor running Swarm instead of Technician. What would be the logic to that? (Okay, for the latter I guess it powers up U-turn at lower health at the expense of a more powerful Bullet Punch and Pursuit... but for the most part I'd say Technician is better). As for Swampert, you are not running any Special Attacks so you may as well use Impish (+ Def - SpA) or Careful nature (+ SpDef - SpA)... just pointing some quirks I've noticed in your RMT.

You could have told me earlier... I'll lock it then. Feel free to make a new thread if you would like.

I can say the same for Shoddy (BAD hax moments from the past... ask Gin or anyone). But for Pokemon Online, I had some really funny hax moments (all occurring to me of course) when it should not have... mostly criticals and Rock Slide missing at the MOST crucial times when it COULD have stopped a sweep but it just did not connect. But save hax for another thread (go ahead and make a thread about it in competitive battling section if you care)... it's part of the game unfortunately, and now, I accept it as it is, despite how it occurs A LOT (but then again, simulators execute battles a LOT quicker, so it may just feel that way to us).

Cool. Good to see an old member again. Back to school for me therefore I get quite busy nowadays. Also, just recently we have been trying out Pokemon Online as our battle simulator. You may want to try that out if you're ever thinking of going back to battling.

So am I How are you doing? Have not seen you in a while sir.

Yeah... problem with suicide leads... "okay, I stopped them from setting up rocks... now what?" Or... "I beat the other guy yay... but no rocks. Now what?"

Swampert's Damp ability is BEGGING for rocks and lead position... And Tbird... a lot of Pokemon got stuff like Water Pulse as hereditary moves (a former TM which was seldom used competitively, aside from stuff like NP Technician Persian)... that's Gamefreak's way of "compensating" for the loss of certain TMs, I believe, although not EVERYONE is getting Stealth Rocks or anything.

I hope Swampert gets Stealth Rocks as a hereditary move... because its Dream World ability Damp really helps it against suicide leads such as Metagross. Meh, frankly they could have just reduced the damage output of Stealth Rocks, for 4x to become 25%, 2x to become 18.75%, 1x to become 12.5% (and the rest to be the same) or something. I guess the smaller distribution of Stealth Rocks due to the lack of TM CAN help, but as Sabeta points out, migrating from Gen IV will easily solve (or worsen, depending on your point of view) the problem. The Leopard looks like a great anti lead so far... who needs Aerodactyl? Okay fine, Stealth Rocks. This metagame is very heavily weather influenced. We have Sand Throw as a sandy alternative to Swift Swim, Ninetales and Politoed with auto weather inducing moves (coincidentally these two are some of my favorite Pokemon), and other weather abusers coming in with abilities like Dry Skin on Jynx, Hydration on Vaporeon, etc. We do not know how tiering will turn out yet... so OU/Uber or not, it's none of our business now.

"The stats are copied exactly, without regard to EVs, IVs, and level" Yep, even boosts... EVERYTHING (HP being the exception... Shedinja with more than 1 HP ) If you used a + 6 Outrage though... good luck surviving that (if you're not Metagross or something... and even then it would probably hurt a LOT and therefore unable to switch in directly). And of course, it is very dependent on who he copies and whatnot. We'll see how it turns out, but so far, it looks really scary. The 5 PP isn't really a huge setback, if you use Outrage, that won't matter. And if you're not using Outrage or another locking move, you can always switch out and come back to ruin another set upper's day and regain the 5 PP anyhow. Aside from that, they are assuming you Scarf it so you can outpace the guy you want to revenge (or better yet sweep). Basically you are turning your opponent's smug face against him after he gets his + 6 on Garchomp. Don't bother testing stuff out at Shoddy just yet though... Ditto is BUGGED there. And if all is true, we have the best revenge killer in game... hmm... (I have a BAD feeling we got trolled by Gamefreak again... but let's hope not) Ditto being even considered in OU or BL is a HUGE history maker right there, don't you agree? Oh yeah, and like Wobbuffet, Ditto vs Ditto match will be...... I guess EVs are better spent maxing HP, and the rest into Attack/Def in case of a struggle war? Highly situational but I don't know where else it would go.

Anyone else have thoughts about this game's new ultimate revenge killer? Any thoughts, questions, comments?

14. Oh, sorry, I mean, R0LLBACK!

All right people, let's get back on track. I may not like the Pokemon anime either but it does not make it a horrible show. Any more derogatory comments will result to an infraction. Anyhow... I cannot say I watch a lot of television nowadays. I watched a lot of cartoons back then... now the only things I watch on television if I did are just Korean stuff like Korean drama, cartoons, and such (mostly). Or even sermons from different ministers on a Christian channel and some educational stuff and documentaries if they are being broadcasted. Yeah, I'm boring :L I guess I can say back then, Digimon Season 1 was my favorite show. I'd always get up early in the morning on Saturdays just to watch it. What I hate (my opinion): Family Guy South Park Most of the comedies and stuff hosted on Comedy Central Sports, Wrestling, etc (kinda boring to watch... makes me want to just actually be out there and participate in it myself) Trash they put on Disney channel... Disney has lost their magic

We're sailing away from the currents, so let's stay near the shore people. Heh, I'll give it until Pokemon reaches 1337... or 9000 (kidding... but let's say it reaches at least 1000). Anyone find the Ice/Dragon interesting? Although the design leaves much to be desired (blah here I go again), it has resistance to Water/Elec/Grass and weak to Rock/Fighting/Steel/Dragon... plus its stats are quite bulky. Dragon/Ice STAB is kinda redundant though, but I'm very interested in both of its signature moves, as one can burn and the other can paralyze (both are Ice though for some reason, and I believe it's special and physical respectively).

Don't worry about it. But since Pokemon is growing and I might just be growing out of it, that might be it. I'll let it slide for now though... every generation has to be different regardless.

I lag even worse in school... I'll go ahead and delete your double post. I'm well aware that certain old Pokemon have been standing up for a very long time and are still solid cores to the standard metagame. Also, Generation I had more Pokemon than the other generations additions, so ratio wise... think of it that way. Dragonite was BL actually due to its lack of STAB and interesting moves... and had nothing to really offer over bulky waters or whatever, except for a ginormous movepool. In fact, it wasn't even noticed until Gen IV, and even then it was not really going to do anything that Salamence and Garchomp could already do. Okay, DD + Outrage. But that got denied once Outrage tutor came in and made Salamence a devastating weapon of mass destruction. And tiers do not say everything. Stuff like Alakazam that has dropped down are very viable and yet they're considered UU for some reason. Why would that be? Nah the Archaeopteryx is another Slaking with less of a penalty (a penalty regardless)... but still quite powerful. However its stats are more or less scarier than Salamence if you look at it that way. The defenses lack as usual but still scary unless you possess some priority move or something that can take the hit and dish back heavy damage (something like Metagross or Azumarill comes into mind). I'm not even saying one strategy should be as good as the other... that would be boring. However, it should at least make room for versatility, you know. Bulky offense? I use that sometimes, but honestly, I find stall more fun (or annoying, depending on which side you're in)... making it work if it doesn't work, let's say, is like trying to make a Caterpie sweep an entire team. You know what I'm saying? "They DO look like Pokemon, because they ARE Pokemon, and they were made by GAMEFREAK." I don't know, of course they are Pokemon but I can still say they look a lot like Fakemon. Quality has gone down the drain in fact. Care to tell me why some people think this way? Maybe they see it in a different angle than you do. Just maybe you know... people think a bit differently than what is within the norms? I could say the same about Gamefreak... they may have been thinking differently when they bought this generation out. The game is good, I'm certain... but some people like me and some others think the Pokemon in this game somewhat ruined the experience. Why would you think that is? It's really our opinion though, you do not need to agree with it, but understand where we are coming from at least. Likewise, I see where you are standing, and it's fine. Who invited Latias to OU in the first place? Variety is always a good thing, I won't argue with that. But same thing will happen: add more Pokemon, the same Pokemon will still be spammed, but in a different number but possibly in the same ratio as in the past. It's always going to happen so no argument there. You are missing the point here. Every game with a competitive metagame has this aspect, whether you like it or not. You can say in the early stages Pokemon like Garchomp required no skills to use and pretty much "overspecialized" this metagame, requiring at least two counters to the SD Yachechomp to take down. You buff something, you can end up breaking it (SpeedBoostiken). You nerf something, you can end up making it lose a lot of potential (say goodbye to elemental punching Alakazam). Simple as that. Base stats cannot change, but sometimes, you can play around with them and make a Pokemon more viable. For example, Azumarill was what one would consider a troll fairy Pokemon in GSC. 100/50/80/50/80/50... eww right? Gen III somehow rectifies that by giving it Huge Power, making the bunny have an equivalent of a base 150 attack! Gen IV did it an even better deal by giving it physical STAB and more moves to abuse. I mean, I wish they would at least try a similar approach to other Pokemon. Some of them even have the potential to evolve. The reason why I pick on Pidgeot a lot is because it has evolved to its final form (3 times and that's that), its two ability slots have been taken, its stats are as if it were a second stage Pokemon, and its movepool is rather shallow too. The only thing I can say will help it is a special item of some sort to give it SOME edge over the other birds, you know? There was that Dream World thing too to give Pokemon some amazing abilities, but of course they messed up on Pidgeot for that too. No other Pokemon aside from Hitmonchan and that sorry excuse of a legendary Pokemon Articuno (at least from what I can think of) got screwed up that badly. They could also have gone the simpler way... evolve them! Like you know... stuff like Chimecho or Delibird become fighting monsters? Sandslash become a faster ground? Who knows? Evolution would have sufficed for many of them. And because of the "it's a different region you cannot see old Pokemon dur hur" argument, I can also say THEY DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO BE IN GAME! Think about this... remember the 17 Pokemon near the back of the Pokedex in Sinnoh? Until Platinum, they were not even part of the game's story at all! Gamefreak was thinking about the competitive players who wanted to, you know, evolve some of their old favorites so they can actually be competition worthy! It would be really nice if they have done that here too... but apparently they could not do that either. What a shame. Charizard wasn't barely playable before SR. In fact, it was quite a devastating force especially in GSC... but watered down slightly in Advance as bulky waters became more prevalent and its only advantage was Belly Drum, which can be a liability as well. Tiering will set it right... that's what it was like when we had stuff like Garchomp come in and mess around with people. What about afterwards? Turns out he was overly broken (according to the people... I'm not talking about my personal experience here though). Dusclops had less of a BST than Pidgeot and ended up OU... where did Pidgeot end up? Distribution matters a lot as well apparently. Meh, I proposed a lot of changes that could have really helped some stuff that have been outclassed by many others, like Hitmonchan, Pidgeot or Carnivine and stuff like that even. There's no helping for stuff like Beedrill or Butterfree who were meant for early game pwnage really for in-game purposes, but the other Pokemon I've mentioned could be salvaged if something was done for them. Like I said, I agree with the high and low class Pokemon or whatever... I'm no communist. Breloom will hurt even more with Bullet Seed actually. Think about BP 55 * 2-5 times. A minimum of 110 base power... wouldn't that be interesting? Don't worry about me not playing anyhow, but as someone who played Pokemon for quite a while I have the right to say what I feel about the new generation. I'd like to play with the new Pokemon, but... what am I going to do with these guys? You either give or take, agreed... but let's say I don't like some of these new Pokemon. I'm only hoping you're right, but right now it looks like an utter trainwreck, maybe regressing into the likes of the offensive Generation I metagame, only in a larger scale. Who knows? Yes, I do like some of them too, but for the most part, I think the quality has been butchered. That's just me. You don't have to agree, but see where I am coming from if you can. For example, I like the feminine plant that resembles Roserade in terms of stats (and pure Grass). It still appears Pokemon-ish to me. I don't know about some of the others though. The only generation I saw that had a unique design flare was Generation III, where Hoenn Pokemon were more or less more exotic than the others. Gen II, I can't say much since it's merely a sequel for Gen I and it fit right in. Gen IV though... it was still Pokemon. Still the same type of Pokemon that I can get used to, despite how it had more emphasis on the competitive edge. I cannot help but get disappointed at Gen V's Pokes. That's how I am.