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    FRLG RSE - Toysrus Mew Distribution GBA Cart

    in Event Pokémon News

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Sabresite said:

    I looked at the trash bytes for Mew, and I am fairly convinced after speaking with @Bond697 that mystry mew was generated using a distribution ROM.  Most likely the team modified the existing multiboot rom code to generate them in batches of 5.  We know it was a distribution ROM because the trash bytes of the first mew is consistent with other events (like 10 aniv) that came from multiboot roms.  Bond researched the trash bytes which ended up being from lazily copying the pokemon's name with no regard for the data that came after the terminator.  Upon inspecting what that data is, Bond found that some of the distribution code was copied to the stack for an unknown reason.

    Our theory is that they made a button that adds 5 mews to the save and hit that button a million times.  IIRC, in that save file the town was blocked by a tree, trapping the character in town.  This leads us to believe that the original cart used to make the save file was most likely a dev cart that had manipulation capabilities.  Also makes sense since they would have to extract the save for manufacturing.

    For what it is worth, we have a range of trash bytes by observing the other mews. And of course when you xfer to XD/Colo or Pal Park, PokeTransfer, Bank, etc, trash bytes don't matter anymore anyways.

    So basically, we can just reconstruct the missing Mews using the Gen 4 PKMs as a reference then call it a day.

    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

    in ROM - GBA Research and Development

    Posted · Edited by Invader TAK

    4 minutes ago, Bond697 said:

    Fun fact since you brought this up: the 10ANNIV multiboot roms have unused code in them to give all 10ANNIV pokes a light ball.  Must be a leftover from another event somewhere or something since the 10ANNIVs have no item.

    Actually, the 10ANNIV Pikachu is holding a Light Ball. And according to Bulbapedia, the US 10 ANIV Latias and Latios both hold Soul Dew.

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    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

    in ROM - GBA Research and Development

    Posted

    On 12/23/2016 at 11:36 PM, Sabresite said:

    We technically don't.  We know how every BACD is generated.  I'll be happy to lay it out and @Bond697 can correct me if I am wrong.
    I'll list these by rand call:

    PIDL, PIDH, IV1, IV2, Held Item, OTG/Game

    OTG/Item is calculated by: 

    
rand() >> 7 & 1

    .
    And if the PID turns out shiny, then the whole thing is started again with another 16bit seed.

    Good to know!

    On 12/23/2016 at 11:37 PM, Bond697 said:

    When I was given the 10ANNIV rom 3 1/2 years ago, the person who gave it to me asked me not to give it out or anything to preserve the cart's value. The same goes for a few others. Some of the stuff isn't even private, there just hasn't been anyone who has really cared, as far as I knew.  Like this for example:

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    It's an unreleased gen 3 event, METEOR Jirachi.  I found its multiboot rom in.. some game.  I've told people about it and given out archives, but nobody really seemed to care that much.  I spent awhile gathering the multiboot roms and checking them out and to be honest, I didn't realize there was much interest in them anymore until Sabresite mentioned them not too long ago.

     

    Now you got me wondering what other event multiboot ROMs are hiding out there.

    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

    in ROM - GBA Research and Development

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Sabresite said:

    Almost everything listed here PP.org has copies of already and have disassembled and documented. :)

    I'm still curious if we could modify the recently released ROM to generate legal versions of other event Pokemon that have the same PID method. If that's possible, we wouldn't NEED any more GBA distro ROMs besides one of the Aurora Ticket ones for Mystery Gift.

    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

    in ROM - GBA Research and Development

    Posted

    37 minutes ago, XJ55 said:

    Yes. I live in Italy, but I'm not italian.

    The "Nintendo Employee" is just one. Although I'm not too sure about what was his role with Nintendo, I only know he had a bunch of carts which I purchased. I paid over 10.000€, and I'm still paying a monthly fee which I'll finish paying in June 2017.

     

    I currently have: 1 10ANNIV for each european language, 1 Aura Mew for each european language, 1 Aurora Ticket US, 1 Shiny Zigzagoon UK, and some others I can't disclose any info about currently, but I have told some people about them. I had multiple 10ANNIV UK, Aura Mew UK, Aurora Ticket US, Shiny Zigzagoon UK ( whose cart was different from the others) because apparently these UK carts were not used only in UK, but also other countries in the north of Europe. Aurora Ticket US was used in several US states.

    Some of those carts were also sold on Nintendoage by some guy in 2012. That's how several people got their hands on them ( I was lucky enough to get some myself), and that's why I'm allowed to sell 10ANNIV and Aurora Ticket US freely. I got them in the past before I had a deal with that guy. Some other people got Shiny Zigzagoon, so it was "leaked" before I got my hands on the lot of carts from that guy. Similar dynamic with Aura Mew, and I think there's a post on here too, so I did sell it in the past, but I sold them quickly and I have no intention to share the ROMs currently.

    In the past few years I sold a few 10ANNIV, a few Aurora Ticket US, a few Shiny Zigzagoon UK and a few Aura Mew UK ( although these last ones were sold to a single buyer years ago, so I never put them on eBay, but you'll probably find them for sale by someone else sooner or later).

    I don't have any other carts to sell anymore. I was just selling to get some money back, and now I've finished all spare carts I had.

    As I said, in June 2017 I'll finish paying and I'll be "more free" to talk about whatever else I have. Check back in July 2017 and I'll have something sweet for you all.

     

     

    Is the UK Shiny Zigzagoon the same as the one from the North America Version 14 and 16 Demo Discs? If so, then no one's gonna be bugging you for that one.

    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

    in ROM - GBA Research and Development

    Posted · Edited by Invader TAK

    6 minutes ago, Deoxyz said:

    The guy I purchased it from has all the European language carts for 10ANNIV, plus the English Aurora Ticket(I'll have it soon), and a bit of others he couldn't talk about due to legal reasons.

    I don't think he has any duplicates of the other languages, and I doubt he'd give me the roms.

    I'd love to have that Aurora Ticket ROM.

    FRLG RSE - Toysrus Mew Distribution GBA Cart

    in Event Pokémon News

    Posted · Edited by Invader TAK

    45 minutes ago, ajxpk said:

    I have some bad news regarding those Trash Bytes.
    I was talking with Sabresite and he was talking with Bond697 in turn.
    I don't want to go too much into detail and would like to leave it to them if they want to make a public statement...

    It looks like we might not be able to reconstruct the missing trash bytes data for the 14 missing Mystry Mews.
    I want to apologize for raising hopes at this point regarding this, I wanted to try my best to make this happen.

    However I have a solution which I would like to suggest, how we still might be able to complete this.
    Earlier in the Trash Bytes research we figured out that transferring back and forth between Colosseum&XD erases the Trash Bytes of 3rd Gen Event Pokémon.
    This means in other words that an 3rd Gen Event Pokémon isn't necessarily illegal if it doesn't has any Trash Bytes.
    This could be a solution in case if we are not able to find the missing Mews.

    Considering the Mew Tutor in XD, I don't see the lack of trash bytes being an issue in the long run. Plus casual event collectors won't even care to begin with.

    Which starter did you select?

    in Generation 7

    Posted · Edited by Invader TAK

    I always go with the Fire starter on my main game. Did restart Sun once to get one of the other starters and I'll be playing through it for its exclusives (as well as another Cosmog and Type: Null for my Living Pokedex) on the save I kept.

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    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

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    Posted

    54 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:


    Not just the fact that the carts are out there, but so are the roms.

    Unless all the ones that can be seen are bootlegs (the crisp images says otherwise),
    it seems that there are no carts because the demand for it may not be there.

    I think that people who are aware of distro carts are likely informed enough to know about roms too..

    And they likely have a DS Flash Cart to run the ROMs (and homebrew programs) themselves.

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    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

    in ROM - GBA Research and Development

    Posted

    17 minutes ago, Ammako said:

    I'm just waiting to see the chaos on ebay from all those people making fake Mystry Mew distro cartridges, now that the save files have been publicly posted and shared.

    ;)

    Way easier to do that than to make bootleg distro carts, and even that isn't going to happen (and honestly, you'd be naive to think that any current Mystry Mew cartridge showing up on ebay -didn't- have its save file dumped to be reused for a future save, if it wasn't already a fake.)

    Bur I think we've already said everything there was to say. If at this point you still defend the point of view that it shouldn't go public when your only arguments are baseless worst case scenario assumptions that we can easily disprove, there is nothing more we can say that will change that.

     

    Are there any save editors for Gen. III that let you view the trash bytes and that pose no risk of altering them, by the way? Every save editor I've used doesn't seem to display them and I'm not sure how they handle that.

    Plus where are all the bootleg Gen IV and V distro carts? I've seen sites that sell reproduction DS games so it is possible to do.

    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

    in ROM - GBA Research and Development

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, ajxpk said:

    I would also add to this that hacking a ROM like this isn't an easy task as some people might think.
    I'm not saying that it's not possible but definitely not for a newbie.
    I even would go as far to say if these cartridges on ebay are fakes... we can at least assume that the ROMs are exact copies.
    Because they would first have to decompress the ROM to change something.
    + It is likely that there was some kind of checksum protections going on ect. ect.
    I even learned that the same ROM we talking about was object of research before.
    I wasn't told who did it and it seems to be a strict secret, but I know it was distributed for research before.
    The only known person who was able to successful disassemble/hack the ROM was Bond697.


    Wether these ebay cartridges are fake or not...
    I think it's much easier to just copy the original ROM when you ask me.
    Even if it really requires some special equipment. But I have even seen bootlegs of real games who were almost perfectly made.
    So why it shouldn't be possible? And we don't know who did it exactly at the end.
    But what I do know is that Nintendo of Europe has many divisions.
    One of them is NBX who was/is responsible for Benelux Union. (Netherlands, Belgium & Luxembourg.)
    And I learned that all the leaked stuff came frome there. Propably it was even someone who was responsible for the distribution.
    No one knows what really happened than the people who did it.

    Anyway I personally think it's kinda fishy that there are so many of it, which is why I still believe these could be fake cartridges.
    It is just so weird that from other Distributions like Aura Mew only a very few were leaked.
    Besides we know that 10 Anniversary was dumped. But other Distribution cartridges weren't.
    There are too many open questions about it and if it was dumped just for research alone. 
    I wished who did it dumped the ROM from Aura Mew or from the European Aurora Ticket as well. :D 
    Why did no one dump these anyway? I would really love to check them all out.  

    Anyway to the theory that if it's getting leaked there will be chaos on ebay and many fakes will pop up and fake cartridges from other distributions...
    I really highly doubt that such a dramatic scene will happen if it happens. And I wonder who exactly will be protected if it doesn't get leaked.
    It will also protect the very few people who want to keep these cartridges rare to keep the price high.
    And I think we should not talk about the people who buy such highly priced items as if they were naive and stupid...
    I mean seriously... we don't have to protect anyone as if they are little children...
    If someone is willing to pay so much money they should at least be able to inform themselves.



    Regarding the Event Pokémon itself I'm not so worried. 3rd Gen Trading is dead.
    I was having a hard time to still find someone who is willing to trade and I had only a few rare 3rd Gen Event Pokémon to offer.
    Without the help of some "Trading Veterans" I would have been lost and I want to thank them at this point for that.
    They have welcomed me with open arms.
     
    This is a different case than when it comes to 3rd Gen Wonder Cards.
    Many people thought it is a good idea to send their Events straight through the Pal Park to Gen 4.
    But they didn't knew that with this they also erased some important information like these Trash Bytes.
    At least the Japanese were more clever and already had Tools to backup their 3rd Gen Events.
    But when it comes to Event Pokémon from the West it's really difficult to find any of those still in Gen 3.

    BY THE WAY!
    There's something I gotta tell you about these Japanese 3rd Gen Events and this might be very interesting for everyone here to know.
    Did you guys know that there once was a platform Japanese platform just like Project Pokémon?
    It was closed down early but what you can find in many collections came originally from there.
    Most of the 3rd Gen Event Pokémon they traded originally came from an open public database. 

    With that in mind I totally agree with @theSLAYER when he says 10 years have past.
    It's about time and what we are trying to do here should have been done a long time ago.

    So let's make PPorg become the greatest 3rd Gen Pokémon database of all time.

    The only Gen III distro I'd be interested in modifying is the European Aurora Ticket cart. The 10ANNIV ones would be neat to modify as well, provided the trash bytes and PID methods are the same for ALL 10th Anniversary Pokemon, no matter if they're from the US or the UK. Same for ROCKS Metang.

    Regarding the whole trash bytes thing, that makes me glad I had the foresight to keep copies of my three 10 ANIV Celebi in Gen III (which are in the save I linked earlier). Emerald's cloning glitch would preserve those, right?

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    Gen 3 Event Generation Algorithm Research (10ANNIV, etc)

    in ROM - GBA Research and Development

    Posted · Edited by Invader TAK

    6 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

    That's the thing.
    Since back in Gen III, 10 years ago, it was difficult to verify legitimate contributions,
    so I understand why they wouldn't want to distribute it then.

    However, 10 years has passed, and I doubt that we will believe any contribution we received,
    which is why I personally believe it is a great time to get one of those distro roms and crack it wide open in the public,
    as well as for archiving purposes.

    Even before the hack, but especially during us being hacked, I've come to value having multiple copies backed up on the net,
    and across different platforms.
    Upload servers can be taken down, get hacked, files get corrupted.

    For these files which may seem like ancient property, contains precious data that should be preserved,
    tools or games or saves alike.

     

    Another thing to consider, Gen III is the first generation where distribution devices were either flat out made available to the public (Ageto Celebi disc, WISHMKR Jirachi disc, PAL Pokemon Channel, Eon Ticket e-Reader card) or were stolen from their event locations (the Shiny Zigzagoon GameCube demo discs, European Aurora Ticket cart, the MYSTRY Mew carts, the various 10th Anniversary carts). The same can't be said about the Gen 1 or 2 distribution methods. And personally, I wouldn't worry about the Gen 1 and 2 events (besides Virtual Console Mew) because unless you use a PC program, those Mews and Celebis will be forever stuck in Gens I and II.

    For me, the fact that these Gen 3 events are able to be migrated to future generations is the reason to preserve not just the ones already collected, but the method to generate more. Especially considering some moves are still exclusive to these various events.

    So bottom line, it's not about the actual distro ROMs (even though those would be AMAZING to have), it's about the method they use to generate the Pokemon or wirelessly send Wonder Cards so we can put that into custom ROMs that you could tell apart from the real ones.

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