wraith89

So far, there is no ability that gets rid of Charge up time, but they may come up with one by that time? I haven't seen new abilities added internally within a generation yet, but hey, they changed HYPNOSIS's accuracy within a Generation as well, so who knows? I'm just assuming an item like Griesous Orb will be made to give that effect of getting rid of charge time. Not that Pressure is a bad ability, mind you, but it's just boring as most Uber monsters just have it. I'm betting on a form change as well, but how they will execute it, we don't know.

The problem with Excadrill is no matter how strong it is, all that strength is meaningless if it lacks the ability to go first. You may want to settle with the ability SAND RUSH instead of Sand Force, because SAND RUSH Excadrill is the one EVERYBODY fears. Excadrill @ Air Balloon / Life Orb Ability: Sand Rush Nature: Adamant / Jolly - Swords Dance - Earthquake - Rock Slide - X-Scissor / Brick Break / Substitute This is pretty much what you want. Swords Dance will make up for the loss of Sand Force power, and you do it when Excadrill HAS that chance. Once Swords Dance is up, Excadrill will be VERY difficult to stop. And you should know by now Excadrill needs the sand, so make sure the Sandstorm is up, and things like Gliscor, Swampert, Conkeldurr and Ninetales are OUT before you attempt the sweep. Having entry hazards on the other side is especially helpful and will guarantee the sweep. X-Scissor eats things like Cresselia who would otherwise do some naughty things to Excadrill, Brick Break is a good Fighting move so you can at least stand some chance against Bronzong, while Substitute blocks all sorts of nasty Will-o-Wisps and whatnot coming from everywhere. Good thing about Excadrill is its natural immunity to Toxic and Thunder Wave.

Wow, there is a lot of interesting stuff going on here. If there is another form, I just hope it retains its Ice typing... only because if it does not, Gamefreak has succeeded in making Ice type look inferior once again. D:< Whatever the case, we will know in the next game (should it come). That quote from N Pingouin stated somewhat interests me and might correlate to the central plot of a Grey version. Ewww typo. Thanks Toff, that would have been a grave error on my part... And Toff, there are no Vanillites near Giant Chasm Also, the notion of Kyurem's incompleteness is indeed derived from its lack of symmetry. However, it is also from its battling prowess too, as mentioned, as it lacks 20 base stats from being even equal to Reshiram and Zekrom and is aberrant in the moves it learns, which makes you wonder why Gamefreak would let their designers get away with a "trio master" in this ridiculous form? It looks like it is begging for a simple upgrade of some sorts. This isn't foreign as upgrades were done during Gen IV to some Pokemon like Giratina and Rotom (though the former is mostly a form change rather than an upgrade), but perhaps they are trying a different approach this time? I think they ran out of time, threw some random thing in, called it the Ice Dragon, and said "Hey just wait until Grey version! We'll make something cool out of this guy! We promise!" *stares at Farfetch'd, Delibird, Luvdisc, and a whole slew of other Pokemon who were on the "upgrades wanted" waiting list* "We'll get to them too! Really!"

Lampent learns Pain Split at Level 61 (55 as Litwick) On average people tend to be in the late 40s-50s by the end game. Did you get yours up to 61 or something? O_O And thanks for the tips on Accelgor. I haven't really played him, and he looks pretty good on paper, but Shelmet is just blah. I don't know if I should rate as if the person had access to trade or not, as some people do not. I should probably put some Eviolite sets, but I imagine they look the same as their final form's sets, just with an Eviolite.

I use Pokemon I mostly like, not the ones that are mostly used just because they're the best at it. It isn't about how good a Pokemon individually is, but rather how well they work as a team. I have not battled competitively for a while, but there are many competitive battling resources you can look to, such as Smogon.com or something. If anything, ask Gin on this forums, perhaps randomspot555, Tbird, or maybe if I have time, you can ask me. I have tried my best not to associate myself with competitive battling for a while however.

Nugget sells for 5000, and Stardust and Star Pieces are selling fodders as well... As for Cover Fossil, you can resurrect it to become a Tirtouga in that city with the museum (the name escapes me). Keep Heart Scales, as they are important items in allowing you to relearn old moves that you want to relearn in that Ground Gym City. One of the houses has a move relearner.

[icon]031[/icon]Introduction This is Wraith trying to spark up an intelligent conversation here on Project Pokemon. Intelligent conversation? Here on Project Pokemon? Insane right? I know! And this is me going overboard on a very simple subject, so bear with me. I'm sure you were all drooling over the Blazing Glory of the elegant Reshiram or the Electrifying Brilliance of the powerful Zekrom when you were all playing Pokemon Black and White... but have you stopped to consider that monster living deep inside Giant Chasm, Kyurem? While we do not know its relationship with Reshiram and Zekrom, there are many things that suggest Kyurem is indeed related to the other two. But what? Before we find out, let us see what people think about Kyurem. There is no doubt that not many Pokemon has raised as much eyebrows in Black and White as this mysterious icy dragon has. As you can see, there is not enough positive reception about this new dragon. Many just do not see its potential, and many are disappointed at what it turned out to become. But what if there is more to Kyurem than meets the eye? What if this dragon is not just a "filler" Pokemon as most of the other Unova Pokemon seem to be? First, I think we should try to understand what we DO KNOW about Kyurem. But of course, this thing ties to Reshiram and Zekrom in some way, so we need to find its connection between the two as well. Be warned, there will be spoilers in this section, so if you have not completed Pokemon Black and White's main storyline, then avert your gaze. [icon]031[/icon]History of Unova Region As N tells the story... It is stated the two dragons were once one dragon. Yep, just one powerful dragon. Imagine how much powerful this one unified dragon would have been in comparison to the already powerful Reshiram and Zekrom we have right now. However, the split happened when these twin heroes who found the Unova region (Romulus and Remus anyone?) had different ideas on how to rule the region. The older brother wanted truth, while the younger brother wanted ideals. The dragon, who was used by both of them, did not know how to settle this, so it split into two. Reshiram would side with the older brother who sought truth, while Zekrom would side with the younger brother who sought ideals. The two fought in a catastrophic battle, but of course, as all of these plots go, neither of them could truly be considered better than the other, as both were equally powerful and all (face it, we all know that-*gets shot*) so the two brothers declared truce. They also reconciled their differences and said there really was no right side either, as both are needed for a reason. Yay, so we don't have a Romulus/Remus story here! But of course what happens? Their sons continue the fight of course. Yeah, next generation are always filled with idiots, as seen in real life too. They did not heed their fathers' resolutions, and released the two beasts once again, causing a fight between the two once again. Joy. But what do destructive terrorists do again? Oh yeah, they destroy the region! Brilliant... all just to settle some philosophical differences? Right, smart people we have running Unova here. Destroying Unova with their Fire and Lightning powers during the war, you can imagine a lot of people and Pokemon lost their habitats and some even their lives during this struggle. The sons of the heroes probably realised this way too late before this catastrophe occurred. As for Reshiram and Zekrom? They probably realised this was just too pointless and causing wanton destruction, so the two left from the aftermath, never to be seen again... [hgsssprite]109[/hgsssprite]Modern Unova Strife: SPOILERS START HERE [icon]031[/icon]The Kyurem We Know Physically, what do we see? Kyurem looks rather incomplete. Its wings are not proportional to each other, looks awkward, and the general consensus is not in awe, but rather "this is the monster I came for"? Kyurem has supposedly fallen down from an ice meteor into Giant Chasm. It is unclear where this meteor came from and how it originiated, but this is Kyurem's story. [icon]031[/icon]The Kyurem They Know Lacunosa Town... Population: 16. Oh boy, that is frighteningly low for a town, isn't it? The townspeople are weird in this town, because they are always outside in daytime, but NOBODY is seen outside during nighttime, not a single soul, in fact! The old woman in Lacunosa Town tells us the reason this fortified city behaves like this is because of an old story that during nighttime, a giant monster would come and take the humans and Pokemon in the town and devour them! Well, that might explain the low population in this town (though every towns not named Castelia City or Nimbasa City suffer this syndrome, but let's not get there for now). The people nowadays do not believe in this story (pssh nonbelievers), but of course, the ritual still occurs. No one comes out at night time and they only come out during the day. Either they do this because it is a tradition to uphold, they want to scare the people outside of Lacunosa Town, or they know something. Either way, this is the Kyurem Lacunosa Town knows, and whatever it is, this beast certainly made a name for itself in this town, but does it really eat humans and Pokemon? We may never know... [icon]031[/icon]The Kyurem TrollGamefreak Knows They're not telling us anything ---------------------------------------------------------- [hgsssprite]164[/hgsssprite]SPECULATIONS START HERE That's the whole point of this thread! Speculate away! But remember that NONE of the following speculations are by all means true and everything can turn out completely different from what is being stated. [icon]031[/icon]Kyurem's Untold Story There is another rogue theory going about that Kyurem is the living corpse of the one dragon that Reshiram and Zekrom used to be. Though Reshiram and Zekrom are halves of each other, maybe there is a body like Ninjask's Shedinja lingering around. Could Kyurem be it? In fact, this might explain a few things. The Ice Meteor that fell was Kyurem, the old body, itself. As Reshiram and Zekrom came out of its old body, the two dragons proceeded to side with one of the two brothers, as its old body fell down to the earth, sustaining catastrophic damage, which explains Kyurem's old, chipped, and rather incomplete look. Kyurem may have possibly eaten people and Pokemon to sustain its aging body. After all, something needs food just to survive. And yet there are all sorts of Pokemon in Giant Chasm, so why would it not eat them? Perhaps Kyurem only ate certain things, maybe humans that decided to agitate it in a way (silly humans once again)? Maybe it protected the Pokemon living in the chasm and it is not the monster that people make it out to be (we all know humans are the masters and bait of propaganda)? Who knows? Perhaps the reason behind Kyurem's lack of ice power is because it was not originally an Ice Dragon but just a dragon itself? Let's see... meteors have ice-like properties, so it may have gained its ice typing during its fall. It is frozen, and learns some ice moves, and yet it cannot use Frost Breath? Interesting, but this may explain the lack of a "Fusion Ice" or its lack of Level 100 move, but more on that later. [icon]031[/icon]Kyurem's Relationship With Reshiram and Zekrom Reshiram's body is White, Zekrom's body is Black, but Kyurem's body is... look! It's Grey, the middle colour between Black and White. Could it symbol neutrality? Possibly. Could it also symbolise the next game to come? Of course it could! There's also very little doubt through their stats the three are related with each other. Let's take a look. I will bold out stuff that stand out and are similar. Underlined stuff are Kyurem's deviations from the other two. Reshiram Ability: TurboBlaze HP: 100 Atk: 120 Def: 100 SpA: 150 SpD: 120 Spe: 90 BST: 680 Lv. 1 Fire Fang Lv. 1 Dragon Rage Lv. 8 Imprison Lv. 15 Ancientpower Lv. 22 Flamethrower Lv. 29 Dragonbreath Lv. 36 Slash Lv. 43 Extrasensory Lv. 50 Fusion Flare Lv. 54 Dragon Pulse Lv. 64 Imprison Lv. 71 Crunch Lv. 78 Fire Blast Lv. 85 Outrage Lv. 92 Hyper Voice Lv. 100 Blue Flare Zekrom Ability: Teravolt HP: 100 Atk: 150 Def: 120 SpA: 120 SpD: 100 Spe: 90 BST: 680 Lv. 1 Thunder Fang Lv. 1 Dragon Rage Lv. 8 Imprison Lv. 15 Ancientpower Lv. 22 Thunderbolt Lv. 29 Dragonbreath Lv. 36 Slash Lv. 43 Zen Headbutt Lv. 50 Fusion Bolt Lv. 54 Dragon Claw Lv. 64 Imprison Lv. 71 Crunch Lv. 78 Thunder Lv. 85 Outrage Lv. 92 Hyper Voice Lv. 100 Bolt Strike Kyurem Ability: Pressure HP: 125 Atk: 130 Def: 90 SpA: 130 SpD: 90 Spe: 95 BST: 660 Lv. 1 Icy Wind Lv. 1 Dragon Rage Lv. 8 Imprison Lv. 15 Ancientpower Lv. 22 Ice Beam Lv. 29 Dragonbreath Lv. 36 Slash Lv. 43 Scary Face Lv. 50 Glaciate Lv. 57 Dragon Pulse Lv. 64 Imprison Lv. 71 Endeavor Lv. 78 Blizzard Lv. 85 Outrage Lv. 92 Hyper Voice As you can see, Reshiram and Zekrom have a LOT in common, almost as if they are polar opposites of each other (and they are)! Kyurem, on the other hand, have a LOT of things in common, especially in its fundamental level up moves. However, there are aberrants, such as a lack of a powerful signature move, Level 100 attack MISSING, and learning its Dragon Pulse 3 levels later than Reshiram. It learns Scary Face as opposed to a Psychic move that Reshiram and Zekrom would learn. Speaking of a Psychic move, TM03, Psyshock, is found in Giant Chasm. It would have been cool if Kyurem learned that naturally as opposed to Scary Face, but unfortunately, it was not meant to be. Gamefreak even trolled here hard by giving it Endeavor as opposed to Crunch, making it even harder to catch. Way to go! Also, unlike Reshiram and Zekrom, Kyurem does not have its own version of Mold Breaker, but instead, Pressure. The most notable difference between Kyurem and the other two is its Base Stat Total, which ended up at a total of 660. 660?! Am I looking at this correctly?! Yes, unfortunately, you are. This Ice Dragon was stripped of 20 base stats and ended up this way... but why? How could Gamefreak get away with making a supposed "trio master" with stat total LOWER than its subordinates? This is another reason we feel as if Gamefreak left this dragon "incomplete" and perhaps, may be a subject of future reorganization. Another possibility is, Gamefreak is trolling on Ice Pokemon like Articuno once again, and decided this would be their latest incarnation of hating on Ice Pokemon. [icon]031[/icon]The Hidden Moves Factor "Pssh... those fail moves?" ~ Gin By searching into the internal game data of Pokemon Black and White, some unused attacks have been found! And this may indeed be an explanation of Kyurem's "missing" Level 100 moves. Two very powerful Ice moves which may as well be associated with Kyurem have been discovered, one named Ice Burn, and the other named Freeze Shock. Both of them have a base power of 140! That's very powerful actually, BUT, there is a reason why our competitively apt moderator Gin calls them fail. They're just another rendition of SKY ATTACK. So Gamefreak decided to troll again huh? These attacks leave the user helpless for the first turn, and executed on the second. Now isn't that brilliant? And if these attacks were to be Kyurem's signature moves-to-be, what practicality would they have for battling anyways when it leaves it right open? Ice Burn is a SPECIAL 140 Base attack with 90% accuracy that has 30% chance of burning the opponent. An Ice attack burning someone? Isn't that interesting? Freeze Shock is a PHYSICAL 140 Base attack with 90% accuracy that has 30% chance of paralysing the opponent. The charge-up turn can be overriden with an item called Power Herb for one turn, but is that really worth the item slot? In the future, this could mean a few things. 1) Kyurem will receive both moves as Level 100 attacks, OR through a special event. 2) Kyurem will only be able to utilise this moveset in a Double / Triple / Rotation battle with a Reshiram or Zekrom by its side. It has will not appear in single battles. 3) Kyurem will NOT receive these attacks but instead Reshiram will take Ice Burn while Zekrom will take Freeze Shock. 4) Gamefreak is just trolling and left it in there to laugh at the people who think they found something but in reality it is nothing they will work on. For me, it's either #1 or #4... the latter because of my skepticism of Gamefreak altogether. [icon]031[/icon]The God Stone Factor So, remember how Zekrom was summoned by a Dark Stone while Reshiram was summoned by a Light Stone? There is a Grey Stone found in the game data as well, and it is called "God Stone". God Stone? Interesting, considering it is Grey, which automatically means it is related to Kyurem, or Gamefreak is just trolling. What if this item becomes a key item of usage later in a future game? Or what if like the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griesous Orbs of Gen IV, these items will be introduced as held items for the three dragons? Hopefully, this item may change Kyurem into a "more complete form" and abolish the charge-up requirements for all of its attack, but I will not hold my breath here, as that sounds way too good to be true. But hey, I can dream, can't I? And again, I will mention, Gamefreak may just be trolling. [icon]031[/icon]Kyurem in the Competitive Scene Kyurem is also competitively bereft, as many of us who have played the Gen V metagame know. Gamefreak continues to either overestimate Ice types, or just continues to hate on them, much like Articuno from the past. But Kyurem, who was quite possibly made to be an internal trio master, was given stats bereft of the other uber monsters, and a horrid defensive typing. Its signature move, Glaciate, was first thought to be Icy Wind on steroids, as it was ORIGINALLY thought to lower the foe's speed by 2 stages. Unfortunately, we got trolled hard on THAT too, for instead of lowering by 2 stages, it only lowers by 1 stage, and retains its imperfect accuracy that Icy Wind has. The only difference is the mere extra 10 base power difference Glaciate has to offer. Whoo hoo. Kyurem, does, however, have 5 extra stat points in speed than many of the other Pokemon in the uber tier, who are stuck at 90 base speed. That isn't all too bad. It has an equally high attack and Special Attack, which ties with both Mamoswine and Glaceon, respectively, and its defences are rather respectable at 125/90/90, so all hope is not lost. Gin, our competitive battling expert, used Kyurem as an anti-lead Dragon. Kyurem @ Lum Berry EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed Nature: Timid Ability: Pressure - Draco Meteor - Glaciate - Shadow Ball - Focus Blast Well, this was when we thought Glaciate lowered speed by 2 stages. Unfortunately, Deoxys-S will still get its 2 layers of spikes because the speed reduction is not enough. Kyurem seems best used as a wallbreaker, because Kyurem has the offensive stats and two of the best STAB options this game has to offer. Kyurem @ Life Orb EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Speed Nature: Hasty / Naive Ability: Pressure - Draco Meteor - Ice Beam - Focus Blast / Hidden Power [Fire] - Dragon Claw / Outrage The EVs are intended to outpace + natured base 90s. Maxing Special Attack just because most of its attacks are used from the special side of the spectrum. The rest are put into attack so Dragon Claw gets powered up. You are welcome to pump more into speed in case a scary Rayquaza comes in or to outpace other Kyurems. Also, if Hidden Power Fire is elected, run 36 Atk / 252 SpA / 220 Speed as Fire forces you to run imperfect speed. This seems to be the most popular set used in Smogon for Kyurem just to get the most out of this dragon in its state now, and it is hard to wall once it comes in, as it resists Kyogre's attacks. Well, that's it? Seemingly. Kyurem seems to be lacking compared to the other legendaries that made it to the Uber tier. In fact, if I recall correctly, Kyurem is allowed in STANDARDS. Yes, STANDARDS. That's pretty bad for something that was designed to be an uber monster, and rather humiliating. Our hopes only go to Gamefreak here, and they either WILL patch things up, or, of course, trolling us to the max. But the question is WHAT will they do? [icon]031[/icon]The Giratina Factor [sprite]487[/sprite] ---> [sprite]487-1[/sprite] Remember Giratina? Unlike Kyurem, Giratina was a very able Pokemon to begin with even in Diamond and Pearl, but its story was largely unknown. Kyurem's case is begging for an alternative form, or gain something interesting in the next games. That would be an interesting plot to cover for Black and White SHOULD Kyurem be given that secondary form. Problem with this is, it will probably outclass the Kyurem we have almost entirely, or something will give. Maybe it will give away its attack powers just to boost its defences (defensive dragon/ice in ubers might be a bad idea!)... or perhaps given Multi-Scale as its ability or something! This is probably the most popular speculation of Kyurem held by Pokemon players so far; an alternative form. Something might just happen for our icy friend here, but then again, it can be another case of Gamefreak trolling on us Pokemon fans! [icon]031[/icon]The Arceus Factor [sprite]493[/sprite] Or... they have a secret Pokemon stashed somewhere (649 is a weird Pokedex number to end it) and will be released in the 3rd version and happens to have pulled off his own creation and made Reshiram / Zekrom / Kyurem the way they were, and just happened to hate Ice Pokemon, much like Gamefreak. Then again, this theory is very implausible and is another way to explain Gamefreak has trolled on our Ice Dragon once more. [icon]031[/icon]The Musketeer Connection This may be a huge of a stretch, but haven't you noticed how many the minor trios of each generation (that aren't the Regis) are somehow related to the major trio of each generations? The pixies of Sinnoh are related to Dialga / Palkia / Giratina and Arceus ultimately or how Raikou / Entei / Suicune were related to Ho-oh or something? Meh, it isn't always the case I know. One day, Tbird and I were discussing about Kyurem, he randomly trolled me and said "Keldeo is related too". Tbird tends to troll, but this time, he didn't troll, because somehow, he brought up a good point. Remember how the musketeers were supposedly defending Pokemon who lost their habitats against human assaulters? What if... just what if that war was the same war the second generation noobs engaged in during the Reshiram / Zekrom conflict? What if that whole catastrophic clash of fire and lightning has indeed been caused by the humans and the Pokemon during that time as well? Why was it that the original clash of Reshiram and Zekrom did not result in the utter destruction of Unova? Can it be that the fire/lightning was assisted by the many participants of the war... or the war has taken place for a much longer time before the second generation noobs found out it was too late? The Musketeers are hostile against the humans because... for a long time they combated the humans who harmed Pokemon! Though this theory is a stretch, it is possible that the same war between Reshiram and Zekrom is the same conflict that the Musketeers engaged in. Maybe Kyurem ate the belligerent humans during that time? Whatever the case, this theory does not see much light, but I can see a possibility in it, and it is possibly a largely untold part of Unovan history. Or... it is Gamefreak trolling us again by allowing us to come up with such absurd conclusions. [icon]031[/icon]The Troll Factor "Back then, gamefreak wasn't ''think electric rodent''. Now they are lazy and whiteness the evolution to complete the recycle... Or something. Lazy drawers. Can't think of a similar to nincada evo..." ~ Mewtwo EX You know... just pause and think for one moment that probably... just maybe, Gamefreak is leaving all these clues just to make us think something is happening, but in reality, they're nothing but stuff to keep us excited for the next release. It's possible. I won't say this possibility does not exist, but for our sakes and for this whole world's sakes, let's hope this is not the case. Of course, in THIS situation, Gamefreak IS definitely trolling. [icon]031[/icon]Closing Words Kyurem by Tuooneo Well, that is all for this icy dragon for now. I've shared every parts of thoughts that I have come across of this frozen mysterious dragon. I would like to know everyone else's thoughts about Kyurem, and what they might possibly do in the upcoming Grey version. And by now we know Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem are related in some way or another, even if we do not know HOW. If they do not come up with a Grey version, we know who is trolling us! NOW YOUR TURN! Please share your thoughts about this icy dragon --------------------------------------- [icon]031[/icon]Since The Release of Pokemon Black/White 2 [sprite]386[/sprite][sprite]386-1[/sprite][sprite]386-2[/sprite][sprite]386-3[/sprite] The Deoxys Factor?! It is quite possible the new implementation of two different Kyurem forms might be the Deoxys treatment from Gen III, which is where Deoxys mainfested different forms depending on the version. Ruby/Sapphire had the normal Deoxys, Fire Red had the attack form Deoxys, Leaf Green had the defence form Deoxys, and Emerald had the speed form Deoxys. I admit I did not think of this before, but so far with the presentation of two Kyurems representing two different versions as opposed to a Grey version that we all speculated may only mean this is the way they are headed... or Gamefreak is trolling as usual. Now we may know where Ice Burn and Freeze Shock may go to... and I suspect both forms specialise in different stats (Black Kyurem has better physical stats, White Kyurem has better special stats). Their typing and ability? Only time will tell, but some people speculate that Black Kyurem will sport an Ice/Electric typing while White Kyurem will sport an Ice/Fire typing. Personally, I don't buy that as I don't believe one can remove Kyurem's fundamental Dragon typing, but I'm not the one to talk. I was thinking more of Rotom's manifestation from Gen IV where it maintained its original typing while it changed forms (in Kyurem's case Dragon/Ice). My personal speculation is a Dragon/Ice typed Kyurem with an ability that either boosts its Fire/Electric attacks to provide pseudo-STAB (depending on its form), an ability that hopefully removes charge up time (though they never added a new ability in-generation before), Levitate, or... troll us with the ubiquitous yet boring ability Pressure that the disfigured Kyurem has. The Black Kyurem will gain Electric attacks while White Kyurem will gain Fire attacks. Just for reference, Ice/Electric types have weaknesses to Ground, Fire, Rock, Fighting and resist Ice, Electric, and Flying attacks. Ice/Fire types have a quadruple weakness to Rock (stupid Stealth Rocks), normal weakness to Fighting, Ground, Water and quadruple resist Ice, and normally resist Grass and Bug. The two new Kyurems Personally, I dislike the new forms in terms of aesthetics. I have no idea how they will function competitively nor do I know what promises they hold for the plot, but they are literally fusions of Reshiram/Zekrom and Kyurem. I feel they could have done better.

The Reshiram replaced a Level 44 Gothitelle, who was mostly used against Marshal. Gothitelle was just a last minute "I have to have a 6th member in my team" thing too, so it didn't turn out so well anyhow. I mostly used Serperior and Jellicent for the most part throughout the other E4 members. Naturally, I would have the most trouble against Shauntal and her Chandelure, which almost decimated my team. Grimley's team was manhandled by a + 6 Serperior, and Caitlin fell through the joint efforts of Serperior and Jellicent. Unfortunately, my Ice Cream and the bird did very little against the Elite 4, but these were all I had. As you can see, I was very underleveled. Naturally, I would have a hard time fighting the last boss of the game. Yep, I sure did... I almost got destroyed by that Hydreigon The guy before wasn't a problem as I swept him easily with Serperior, but...