Is height/weight/scale related to the PID or Encryption Constant?

[gamecubefan74]

1. Is height/weight/scale related to the Pokemon's PID or Encryption Constant?

2. Can a Pokemon that doesn't have a set scale have any combination of height/weight/scale?

[theSLAYER]

1 hour ago, gamecubefan74 said:

1. Is height/weight/scale related to the Pokemon's PID or Encryption Constant?

2. Can a Pokemon that doesn't have a set scale have any combination of height/weight/scale?

1. Depends on context, if caught wild or via raids on the Switch, then likely true. Do note that putting a Mon through HOME can mess with values like scale or height, but depending on context you’ll be able to see the relation

2. For example, for clones transferred into HOME from Bank, they get set height/weight (and height’s value gets duplicated into scale) via randomness that has a triangular distribution. So in this instance yes, height and weight can have combination (scale would be a duplicate of height). But keep in mind how likely it would be.

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[gamecubefan74]

32 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

1. Depends on context, if caught wild or via raids on the Switch, then likely true. Do note that putting a Mon through HOME can mess with values like scale or height, but depending on context you’ll be able to see the relation

2. For example, for clones transferred into HOME from Bank, they get set height/weight (and height’s value gets duplicated into scale) via randomness that has a triangular distribution. So in this instance yes, height and weight can have combination (scale would be a duplicate of height). But keep in mind how likely it would be.

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Thanks. To be specific, I'm looking to hunt a max size Calyrex (Crown Tundra in Sword). Can Shiny Zacian (Wondercard Event) be max size? Would PID and/or Encryption Constant be related to either of those for height/weight/scale?

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[theSLAYER]

18 minutes ago, gamecubefan74 said:

I'm looking to hunt a max size Calyrex (Crown Tundra in Sword).

I’m unsure if stationary encounters like Calyrex have their height/weight fixed. 

19 minutes ago, gamecubefan74 said:

Can Shiny Zacian (Wondercard Event) be max size?

I’m unsure about wonder cards 

 

Based on absolutely nothing, I think you can try to catch/redeem in-game a few and see if it’s fixed. If not, it’s likely random via triangular distribution 

[PedroKeitawa]

So since this is close to a question i also have i ask: pokemon born from egg (in both SV and SHSW) have some relation in terms of weight/heigh (scale in case of Gen9) with PID/Encrypted constant or is all random?

[SkyLink98]

5 hours ago, PedroKeitawa said:

So since this is close to a question i also have i ask: pokemon born from egg (in both SV and SHSW) have some relation in terms of weight/heigh (scale in case of Gen9) with PID/Encrypted constant or is all random?

Eggs in SV are completely random (each property is a separate CSRNG call); while eggs in SwSh are Xoroshiro RNG from a 64 bit seed, so theoretically each stat can be correlated to the seed.

[PedroKeitawa]

2 hours ago, SkyLink98 said:

Eggs in SV are completely random (each property is a separate CSRNG call); while eggs in SwSh are Xoroshiro RNG from a 64 bit seed, so theoretically each stat can be correlated to the seed.

So theoreticly i can rng (correct me if im wrong) for the egg to hatch with specific height and weight in SHSW? So i assume is the same for raid then then, regarding height and weight?

[SkyLink98]

 

1 hour ago, PedroKeitawa said:

So theoreticly i can rng (correct me if im wrong) for the egg to hatch with specific height and weight in SHSW? So i assume is the same for raid then then, regarding height and weight?

You can't RNG abuse the eggs in SwSh , because the seed is still generated through CSRNG (not manipulable in any way). Though, if you have the seed you can calculate results.

Raids in SwSh are seeded through Xoroshiro, and can be manipulated.

Raids in SV are seeded from a CSRNG 64bit seed, not manipulable

[PedroKeitawa]

On 5/1/2025 at 1:01 AM, SkyLink98 said:

 

You can't RNG abuse the eggs in SwSh , because the seed is still generated through CSRNG (not manipulable in any way). Though, if you have the seed you can calculate results.

Raids in SwSh are seeded through Xoroshiro, and can be manipulated.

Raids in SV are seeded from a CSRNG 64bit seed, not manipulable

Understood, thank you.

[Sozoe]

On 3/26/2025 at 11:46 PM, theSLAYER said:

1. Depends on context, if caught wild or via raids on the Switch, then likely true. Do note that putting a Mon through HOME can mess with values like scale or height, but depending on context you’ll be able to see the relation

2. For example, for clones transferred into HOME from Bank, they get set height/weight (and height’s value gets duplicated into scale) via randomness that has a triangular distribution. So in this instance yes, height and weight can have combination (scale would be a duplicate of height). But keep in mind how likely it would be.

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(Sorry to bump this post but I feel like it would be more appropiate to ask this on a related thread with similar info rather than starting a new one).

What if it is a random wild Pokémon on the map, or from a mass outbreak but under the influence of a teensy/hummungo sandwich in SV? Are the height/weight/scale values tied in any way with the PID/EC in gen 9? Or they are generated or altered by the meal powers separately?

[Harvin26]

On 5/1/2025 at 3:08 AM, SkyLink98 said:

Eggs in SV are completely random (each property is a separate CSRNG call); while eggs in SwSh are Xoroshiro RNG from a 64 bit seed, so theoretically each stat can be correlated to the seed.

random mean? does this mean i can edit the eggs any immutable values in any combination and still result in being legal?

[SkyLink98]

14 hours ago, Harvin26 said:

random mean? does this mean i can edit the eggs any immutable values in any combination and still result in being legal?

If the Egg originated from SV and it's not been in HOME, yes you can change any IV combination and it would be legal.

[Harvin26]

19 hours ago, SkyLink98 said:

If the Egg originated from SV and it's not been in HOME, yes you can change any IV combination and it would be legal.

sweet, Thanks

[Jacinthe]

On 7/9/2026 at 1:20 PM, SkyLink98 said:

If the Egg originated from SV and it's not been in HOME, yes you can change any IV combination and it would be legal.

Sorry but I got confused by this answer. The question mentioned immutable values (which I assume means height/weight/scale in the context of this topic) but the answer referred to IVs (which usually means individual values, the numbers from 0 to 31 that influence a pokemon's stat). So to clear it up, can I edit height/weight/scale into SV generated eggs in any combination and the results woud be legal? Or does it apply only to IVs?

[Kaphotics]

2 hours ago, Jacinthe said:

Sorry but I got confused by this answer. The question mentioned immutable values (which I assume means height/weight/scale in the context of this topic) but the answer referred to IVs (which usually means individual values, the numbers from 0 to 31 that influence a pokemon's stat). So to clear it up, can I edit height/weight/scale into SV generated eggs in any combination and the results woud be legal? Or does it apply only to IVs?

Immutable values means what the word means; they are values that cannot be changed via anything in-game and can only be changed via cheating tools/cheats. They are immutable in a legitimate sense.

If HOME has seen your data (opening the app with it in the box), then it knows your Pokémon's immutable values. If you tamper with them and have a slightly-different Pokémon on a future session, then it is obvious there is tampering happening.

Now, re-read the message you are confused by.

[Jacinthe]

8 hours ago, Kaphotics said:

Immutable values means what the word means; they are values that cannot be changed via anything in-game and can only be changed via cheating tools/cheats. They are immutable in a legitimate sense.

If HOME has seen your data (opening the app with it in the box), then it knows your Pokémon's immutable values. If you tamper with them and have a slightly-different Pokémon on a future session, then it is obvious there is tampering happening.

Now, re-read the message you are confused by.

 

So if I hatch an egg I can change the pokemon's height, weight and scale before connecting to home and it would never cause a legitimacy issue? Does this apply to shininess too?

 

Also, can I just change the scale to make it jumbo or mini mark eligible or do I have to change the height too? If I'm not mistaken, when I connect to home, home will change its height to match the scale (or does this apply only to mons transferred through bank?) but are there any correlations I should be aware of when editting the scale of a pokemon hatched from an egg in gen 9 before connecting to home?