Suggestiony Question: PKHeX & GO

[Michael J. Caboose]

Are there any plans to incorporate the gp1Editor into PKHeX? (Or at least to continue support for the gp1Editor separately?) It's currently one of my most used programs post-Let's Go release. But it's always nicer when functions are wrapped up into a single cohesive package. So just curious.

[theSLAYER]

1 hour ago, Michael J. Caboose said:

Or at least to continue support for the gp1Editor separately?

GP1editor isn't made by the Devs of PKHeX. When you mean continue support, you mean what exactly?
Given that GP1 details hasn't changed (cause the game hasn't done updates to it), what else is there to add support for, really? Not sarcasm, genuinely asking.

Oh, GP1editor dev here :3

edit: Also, I agree with what is said below v

[Kaphotics]

gp1ed is written in Visual Basic, PKHeX is written in c#

Although they are both .NET languages, it's not wise to mix languages. I don't want to rewrite or maintain stuff that can be easily kept in a separate program.

Mystery Gift file editors have always been separate tools; I think gp1 should be handled the same way. They're just templates!

[Michael J. Caboose]

1 hour ago, theSLAYER said:

GP1editor isn't made by the Devs of PKHeX. When you mean continue support, you mean what exactly?
Given that GP1 details hasn't changed (cause the game hasn't done updates to it), what else is there to add support for, really? Not sarcasm, genuinely asking.

Oh, GP1editor dev here :3

edit: Also, I agree with what is said below v

It's a little annoying that things are restricted to the 153 species in Let's Go, but also completely understandable since there's no real need for the others yet. So I don't really have any suggestions in particular, at the moment. (Unless the gp1 files for Let's Go have data space already to store the additional charge move Pokemon have been given in GO since then, maybe? IDK)

It was more a general desire for continued support. Like if Sword & Shield, or any other future games, have GO connectivity as well. I've found it to be a fairly useful tool for collection purposes in just Let's Go alone. Which is why I was curious if the features might be implemented into PKHeX in the future. Because it'd be a shame for them to potentially disappear into the aether.

Of course, it's all hypothetical for now. We'd need more games that can connect with GO for it to even become an issue.

Anyway, thanks for the answers!

[theSLAYER]

30 minutes ago, Michael J. Caboose said:

It's a little annoying that things are restricted to the 153 species in Let's Go, but also completely understandable since there's no real need for the others yet.

You can't import the others anyway, and there's no guarantee SWSH will have Go connectivity, and even if it would, no guarantee it's the same format as GP1.

It does have a Calculator mode for viewing CP of the rest. (and if the GP1 format stays the same for SWSH, it won't be difficult to update it)

30 minutes ago, Michael J. Caboose said:

Unless the gp1 files for Let's Go have data space already to store the additional charge move Pokemon have been given in GO since then

I tested that when it was released; it's not stored on GP1. GP1s definitely have space for it and many more, but it appears Go Park can't be bothered..
Not that it truly matters, since Go moves aren't transferred over to the LGPE, so the moves being recorded in GP1 don't really matter.
(I just use it to check if the GP1 were legally transferred from PGo)

30 minutes ago, Michael J. Caboose said:

Of course, it's all hypothetical for now. We'd need more games that can connect with GO for it to even become an issue.

and the only way we'll know for sure what format is used, is when the games are released.

30 minutes ago, Michael J. Caboose said:

It was more a general desire for continued support. Like if Sword & Shield, or any other future games, have GO connectivity as well. I've found it to be a fairly useful tool for collection purposes in just Let's Go alone. Which is why I was curious if the features might be implemented into PKHeX in the future. Because it'd be a shame for them to potentially disappear into the aether. 

To add on, I have been doing support for it. I've added the CP bar for the new stat changes, and added new moves into the move boxes whenever a new move ID is known. Besides that, nothing much I could do really..

I understand you want it for SWSH (if GO transfers are thing), and I intend to support it, as long as I'm still around.
Even if I'm not around, I imagine someone would come along with their own tool

[Benjamin.]

@theSLAYER Is there any benefit of genning a Pokémon from Go via GP1 instead of just using the encounter database?

Once you've captured the Pokémon in GO Park and have sent it from LGPE to HOME, the Pokémon Go Trainer Name and Location Data don't get transferred with it.

I can't see any difference between a caught Pokémon in Go Park (via GP1), and a genned one from GO Park (via the encounter database).

Many thanks!

[theSLAYER]

3 hours ago, Benjamin. said:

@theSLAYER Is there any benefit of genning a Pokémon from Go via GP1 instead of just using the encounter database?

Once you've captured the Pokémon in GO Park and have sent it from LGPE to HOME, the Pokémon Go Trainer Name and Location Data don't get transferred with it.

I can't see any difference between a caught Pokémon in Go Park (via GP1), and a genned one from GO Park (via the encounter database).

Many thanks!

So there’s a few layers to this question, and I’ll provide answers slightly away from your question, to provide context:

1. GO to LGPE’s Go Park GO entries and GO to HOME’s GO entries are slightly different, due to met location being different (and that excludes the fact that you’re also species limited), so you should take that into account

 

2. Regarding genning GP1 data VS Go park entry itself, while the end results currently seems identical (and I believe that I’ve been told stat generation is sufficiently random), there could always be breakthroughs into recognising RNG determination (stat correlations) in the future. I might be overly conservative (and also not caught up in generation subs), however personally, I will opt for the game to generate details where possible. Whether is that a sufficient enough benefit, is up to you.

[Benjamin.]

Thanks for the detailed answer 

Would you recommend using the encounter database for genning Pokémon from GO, or modifying a GP1 file before catching it in Go Park? Geolocation data isn't stored on the Pokémon since the met location changes to GO Park when transferring into HOME?

Also, I'm assuming the original Pokemon Go Trainer name only shows when it's directly sent from Go -> HOME?

Cheers!

[theSLAYER]

11 minutes ago, Benjamin. said:

Thanks for the detailed answer 

Would you recommend using the encounter database for genning Pokémon from GO, or modifying a GP1 file before catching it in Go Park? Geolocation data isn't stored on the Pokémon since the met location changes to GO Park when transferring into HOME?

Also, I'm assuming the original Pokemon Go Trainer name only shows when it's directly sent from Go -> HOME?

Cheers!

So in general, using encounter database should be good enough as 1) encounter database replicates known algorithms for stats calculation and 2) everything else is said to be sufficiently random.
Thing is I am slightly paranoid hence what I've said prior. For regular usage either option should be fine, really depends on you.


As for Go trainer name, as far as I can tell no such information is written on the mon itself for GO -> LGPE (Go Park).
While GO -> HOME also doesn't write the information to the mon itself, it is stored using the tracker on the server side. So even if the app eventually stops showing you to Go trainer (it used to show me for some pokemon caught earlier, but stopped displaying it after an update), that information will likely continue to be stored by the server.

[Benjamin.]

Thanks again @theSLAYER.

So just to confirm my suspicions, geolocation isn't stored/kept when going from being caught in Go Park to HOME? The met location just becomes Go Park?

Regarding your first point about the met location being slightly different, you're referring to it showing Go Park instead of Pokémon GO in HOME?

Much appreciated.

[theSLAYER]

As far as I can tell, no geolocation data is written onto the mon's data, be it from Go Park or sent directly to HOME.

Yeah, direct to HOME location would be "Pokemon GO", whereas GO to LGPE would be "GO Park complex".
Because of this difference, stuff from LGPE will not have the hovering "G" flag in the boxes when viewed in HOME.