colosseum Extra Shadow Pokemon Quest

[jojo12100]

Ok today I begin a new quest, I'm not sure if we'll finish it.

According to TCRF there are 13 extra Shadow Pokemon mentionned in the unused Pokemon colosseum text ( Kecleon, Minun, Spoink, Baltoy, Castform, Psyduck, Teddiursa, Wobbuffet, Wailmer, Porygon2, Xatu, Whiscash, and Magcargo).

The question is: are they still in the final games?

If have a theory: there are also cut trainers in the games. Maybe they are related to them?

 

Hope that this quest will interest you. I'm not a specialist of this games so I won't be very usefull this time.

[StarsMmd]

Hello there

I wrote some code which extracts and edits all the trainer data directly from the game files and unfortunately no such trainers exist. There was no sign of the elusive "Shadow Grass King" either. 

Interestingly enough, even though I'd played colosseum many times, I'd never heard of mirakle b until I saw him in the data. He was the very last trainer in the files. I had to google him!

[jojo12100]

3 minutes ago, StarsMmd said:

Hello there

I wrote some code which extracts and edits all the trainer data directly from the game files and unfortunately no such trainers exist. There was no sign of the elusive "Shadow Grass King" either. 

Interestingly enough, even though I'd played colosseum many times, I'd never heard of mirakle b until I saw him in the data. He was the very last trainer in the files. I had to google him!

It's because the "Shadow Grass King" is written in Japanese and the data are just in the Japanese version I think. Source: here

[StarsMmd]

1 hour ago, jojo12100 said:

It's because the "Shadow Grass King" is written in Japanese and the data are just in the Japanese version I think. Source: here

I've only looked at the US version so far so maybe there are some hidden secrets in the japanese version. I'll see if anything shows up

[jojo12100]

Another theory is that when you received an e-mail it launches an event so if we look for unused events maybe we could find something interesting.

Because it don't think that unused text is still related to unused events.

It's a really exciting challenge, mostly one of the hardest we ever begin.

[coltonsmogon]

This is one of the most ambitious things you've ever done here, @jojo12100... I'm unsure whether this could be accomplished or not, but I'm curious as to how this turns out... I'm behind you in finding these Pokémon.

[jojo12100]

I found a third possibility today. In the game ROM there are trainer datas in .Sys

If we know how to decrypt that files and the name of the wanted trainers in japanese maybe we can get them that way?

[coltonsmogon]

4 hours ago, jojo12100 said:

I found a third possibility today. In the game ROM there are trainer datas in .Sys

If we know how to decrypt that files and the name of the wanted trainers in japanese maybe we can get them that way?

For that, we'll need to reverse-engineer the decryption algorithm that the .sys files were encrypted with. Ask @StarsMmd, maybe he could help with things here.

[jojo12100]

I've already done that. It'll be much more complicated than I thought because of the lack of tools to help.

I just hope that this quest will not finish as the haunted house in GS (mentionned but never found).

 

[jojo12100]

Ok, this is the first confirmation Dark Keckleon mention in Japanese Text.

Shadow Pokemon Grass King confirmed too at 3ea6

Shadow Porygon2 Confirmed too youhou @StarsMmd

Riddle Lover

Edited April 29, 2017 by jojo12100

[StarsMmd]

 

1 hour ago, jojo12100 said:

I've already done that. It'll be much more complicated than I thought because of the lack of tools to help.

I just hope that this quest will not finish as the haunted house in GS (mentionned but never found).

 

Don't worry, I already have the necessary tools. Will take a look shortly. If they're there, It'll take me minutes to find them. 

[jojo12100]

Just now, StarsMmd said:

Don't worry, I already have the necessary tools. Will take a look shortly. If they're there, It'll take me minutes to find them. 

I've found the leftovers in the text and the cut trainers, now the question is what to do now?

Is there leftover events? Can we force-load this content?

[StarsMmd]

5 minutes ago, jojo12100 said:

I've found the leftovers in the text and the cut trainers, now the question is what to do now?

Is there leftover events? Can we force-load this content?

All the trainers in the game and their pokemon are stored in a big list. All I have to do is load up the files in my tools and it'll show me all the trainers. Like I mentioned in my PM, I have looked through colosseum before and didn't see any such trainer but that was the US version. So I'll try on the Japanese version this time and see what I can find. If the trainers aren't in there then it's pretty much impossible for those pokemon to exist.

Once I've confirmed whether the data is there or not, then we'll see about actually loading the content

[jojo12100]

Just now, StarsMmd said:

All the trainers in the game and their pokemon are stored in a big list. All I have to do is load up the files in my tools and it'll show me all the trainers. Like I mentioned in my PM, I have looked through colosseum before and didn't see any such trainer but that was the US version. So I'll try on the Japanese version this time and see what I can find. If the trainers aren't in there then it's pretty much impossible for those pokemon to exist.

Ok, so the cut trainers I've found is a good news? Or they can just be mentionned but have no team or Pokemon?

Can you look at events too when you'll do your researches? Maybe there is something too there.

[StarsMmd]

1 minute ago, jojo12100 said:

Ok, so the cut trainers I've found is a good news? Or they can just be mentionned but have no team or Pokemon?

Can you look at events too when you'll do your researches? Maybe there is something too there.

The text is meaningless unless the actual data is there for the trainers. It'll be really obvious if it's there or not because all the trainer data is in the same place. Without the data it's not possible for the event to be there. If the data is there, then the event may still be there too and accessible. However, even if the event isn't accessible it's very simple to just swap the trainer data around so you can still fight the trainer without the event.

[jojo12100]

26 minutes ago, StarsMmd said:

The text is meaningless unless the actual data is there for the trainers. It'll be really obvious if it's there or not because all the trainer data is in the same place. Without the data it's not possible for the event to be there. If the data is there, then the event may still be there too and accessible. However, even if the event isn't accessible it's very simple to just swap the trainer data around so you can still fight the trainer without the event.

Hope that you'll find something interesting. Really. That text really exalted me.

And yes you're right for the event.

Edit: there is a lot of untranslated japanese text in the english version. The first one I saw is about Ageto.

Edit2: There is a lot of cut trainers according to the japanese text

Edit 3: Nihonbashi reference? Isn't a Tokyo Pokemon Store location? This game is full of treasures.

Edited April 29, 2017 by jojo12100

[HaxAras]

5 hours ago, jojo12100 said:

Edit: there is a lot of untranslated japanese text in the english version. The first one I saw is about Ageto.

The Japanese Colosseum Pre-order disk is in the Colosseum data and it's only half translated. I managed to gain access to it using codes from the Cutting Room Floor. Maybe that's what you discovered? 

[jojo12100]

4 hours ago, HaxAras said:

The Japanese Colosseum Pre-order disk is in the Colosseum data and it's only half translated. I managed to gain access to it using codes from the Cutting Room Floor. Maybe that's what you discovered? 

Yes, but there is so much more to discover.

Even if this project is a failure (which I don't hope) we can still transform it into a huge success if we translate all the unreleased japanese text to discover what was the initial story of Pokemon Colosseum. I love that Enigma Men mentionned based on the Riddler. I also think that the Shadow Pokemon Grass King can be related to the unreleased ribbons.

That's also why I want so much to dump the beta Tyranitar picture from Mobile Trainer Rom, for Pokemon history.

Edited April 30, 2017 by jojo12100

[StarsMmd]

So I had a look and there is no sign of any secret shadow pokemon. I loaded up all the trainers in my GUI and inspected by eye and there wasn't anything unexpected. I also wrote some code to parse all the pokemon data (in case some pokemon weren't assigned to a trainer) and there were no hidden shadow pokemon. My code found exactly 48 shadow ids. All I can say is that the shadow ids go from 1 - 44, 55-57 and 67. So it's likely there were other shadow ids at some point in time but they no longer exist. At this point in time I'm 99.9% certain the data doesn't not exist.

However, the data for the e-reader pokemon is not part of the main game files so there is a remote chance of something being hidden elsewhere. However, since those pokemon have story text, they were clearly meant to be encountered in game and for that to happen they would have had to be with the other story data. If there was data hidden in a different file chances are it would more like a cut e-reader pokemon rather than the shadow pokemon mentioned in the unused text.

As for the game text, don't know if you've seen it but I thought you might be interested in a dump of all the game text by @Tiddlywinks including the japanese version.

pokemon colosseum/xd text dump

Anyways, I'll dig a little deeper into the game scripts and stuff at a later date but for now I'm concluding that the pokemon do not exist

[HaxAras]

3 minutes ago, StarsMmd said:

So I had a look and there is no sign of any secret shadow pokemon. I loaded up all the trainers in my GUI and inspected by eye and there wasn't anything unexpected. I also wrote some code to parse all the pokemon data (in case some pokemon weren't assigned to a trainer) and there were no hidden shadow pokemon. My code found exactly 48 shadow ids. All I can say is that the shadow ids go from 1 - 44, 55-57 and 67. So it's likely there were other shadow ids at some point in time but they no longer exist. At this point in time I'm 99.9% certain the data doesn't not exist.

However, the data for the e-reader pokemon is not part of the main game files so there is a remote chance of something being hidden elsewhere. However, since those pokemon have story text, they were clearly meant to be encountered in game and for that to happen they would have had to be with the other story data. If there was data hidden in a different file chances are it would more like a cut e-reader pokemon rather than the shadow pokemon mentioned in the unused text.

As for the game text, don't know if you've seen it but I thought you might be interested in a dump of all the game text by @Tiddlywinks including the japanese version.

pokemon colosseum/xd text dump

Anyways, I'll dig a little deeper into the game scripts and stuff at a later date but for now I'm concluding that the pokemon do not exist

The E-reader mons require you to scan in 4 trainers and then fight a 5th "boss trainer" and when you've done all 25 battles, you're allowed to fight the E-reader mon. Would it be safe to assume each card would just hold a little bit of the E-reader data? I could probably find and send you one of my saves with the E-reader cards scanned in if you'd have any interest in looking that over for any reason. 

[jojo12100]

56 minutes ago, StarsMmd said:

So I had a look and there is no sign of any secret shadow pokemon. I loaded up all the trainers in my GUI and inspected by eye and there wasn't anything unexpected. I also wrote some code to parse all the pokemon data (in case some pokemon weren't assigned to a trainer) and there were no hidden shadow pokemon. My code found exactly 48 shadow ids. All I can say is that the shadow ids go from 1 - 44, 55-57 and 67. So it's likely there were other shadow ids at some point in time but they no longer exist. At this point in time I'm 99.9% certain the data doesn't not exist.

However, the data for the e-reader pokemon is not part of the main game files so there is a remote chance of something being hidden elsewhere. However, since those pokemon have story text, they were clearly meant to be encountered in game and for that to happen they would have had to be with the other story data. If there was data hidden in a different file chances are it would more like a cut e-reader pokemon rather than the shadow pokemon mentioned in the unused text.

As for the game text, don't know if you've seen it but I thought you might be interested in a dump of all the game text by @Tiddlywinks including the japanese version.

pokemon colosseum/xd text dump

Anyways, I'll dig a little deeper into the game scripts and stuff at a later date but for now I'm concluding that the pokemon do not exist

Okay thanks, I'm a bit sad.

I'm pretty sure that there are cut E-reader trainers for the games according to what I saw when I scanned the 2 promo E-card (blank space for other events) but I think we'll never know.

I hope that somebody will be brave to translate us all the unused text to understand what was plannified.

 

[HaxAras]

31 minutes ago, jojo12100 said:

Okay thanks, I'm a bit sad.

I'm pretty sure that there are cut E-reader trainers for the games according to what I saw when I scanned the 2 promo E-card (blank space for other events) but I think we'll never know.

I hope that somebody will be brave to translate us all the unused text to understand what was plannified.

 

When you scan the regular E-reader cards, they eventually fill up the entire screen. I think the 2 promo cards are the only ones and they just used the original template from the regular E-reader cards.

[jojo12100]

2 minutes ago, HaxAras said:

When you scan the regular E-reader cards, they eventually fill up the entire screen. I think the 2 promo cards are the only ones and they just used the original template from the regular E-reader cards.

I have them, they don't. They open 2 special slots. I must had pictures of that at that time.

Edited April 30, 2017 by jojo12100

[HaxAras]

5 minutes ago, jojo12100 said:

I have them, they don't. They open 2 special slots. I must had pictures of that at that time.

I know. I have a video of it as well as I own the actual cards. I have a 100% complete Colosseum collection of E-reader cards. I'm an E-reader enthusiast. 

 

Edited April 30, 2017 by HaxAras

[jojo12100]

@HaxAras At the top here for example

Spoiler

There can possibly have other events.