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RyuuShin

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Hi people.

I was sondering if there is anything known about hex values and Trashbytes in Pokemon Black ans White.

Reason is i tried to migrate my Celebi to B/W but pokeshifter wont work for me cause the Versions have diffrent languages.

So i tought of directly placing the celebi in my new Pokemon black.

Sadly the Celebi doesent seem to work for the zorua event then.

I Suppose thats cause trough migration several things in the pokemon data are changed.

For Example the only Value in use for B/W seems to be 41h which previously indicated the number of shiny leafes.

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Kaphotics

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PokeGen has ALL of these "changes" implemented already. There is no need to have a guide, this post is like a Wiki instead of a guide (guide isn't needed. Use PokeGen)

Natures follow the same convention as the old PIDs except they are not related by the old calculation. They are stored as hex.

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Compiled hex changes of [4th->] 5th Gen PKMs

All of my other info posts are redundant with this edited compiled post (I'll leave em anyways)

Hex Differences in Black and White Pokemon caught ingame:

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Hex Changes of PokeShifted Pokemon (Gen 3/4 to Gen 5)

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Transfer Machine Pokemon (Crown + Eigakan)

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Pokemon sent to/from the Dream World

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Edit: (April) There ARE trash bytes this generation. See page 4.

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RyuuShin

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Hmm ..

Maby i am getting something wrong here but it

seems that none of my Pokemons Hidden Values match the List of Natures.

Actualy some of my pokemon with the same nature have different Values.

Maby you want to take a looka t my Sazando.

it is actualy modest with 17 in 41h.

Sazando.pkm

Sazando.pkmFetching info...

Kaphotics

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  RyuuShin said:
Hmm ..

Maby i am getting something wrong here but it

seems that none of my Pokemons Hidden Values match the List of Natures.

Actualy some of my pokemon with the same nature have different Values.

Maby you want to take a looka t my Sazando.

it is actualy modest with 17 in 41h.

No, you are probably reading the Katakana wrong. I've checked my Careful and Modest ones in game and their hexes match, and they line up with the save editors.

Hex Changes of PokeShifted Pokemon (Gen 3/4 to Gen 5) [Last Update: 9/26 3:48 PDT]

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I do not see evidence for a trash byte algorithm. All trash from generation 4 stays. Yay? (long live trashbytes.exe, gotta chop tho!)

All that remains to check is just HGSS Ball, Mystery Gift confirmations, Fateful Encounters, and Japanese Pokemon shifting. After that I'll post an entire revised list of what changed so that someone can make a converter!

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RyuuShin

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Ok i found the reason for my confusion.

A Bug in my software made me see different Values.

Your List seems to be perfectly fine.

Thank you for your work.

Also the Natures are written in Hiragana ;P

I Have tried to alter the celebi data so that it will look migrated with shifter

but the event still doesent activate.

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Kaphotics

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  RyuuShin said:
I Have tried to alter the celebi data so that it will look migrated with shifter

but the event still doesent activate.

As have I, I'd think that it would need to be transferred as opposed to shifting.

Getting a real one shifted, and I'll get back on that.

Kaphotics

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Transfer Machine Pokemon (Crown + Eigakan)

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I'd need Transferred PKMs to figure out if anything else changes.

RyuuShin

RyuuShin

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Ok i see.

I didnt expect it anyway but you never know. ^^

Also is there anything Special about Dream World Pokemon ?

Some Pokemon only make sense with their new Dream World Abilitys so i want to be able to create those.

Kaphotics

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  RyuuShin said:
Ok i see.

I didnt expect it anyway but you never know. ^^

Also is there anything Special about Dream World Pokemon ?

Some Pokemon only make sense with their new Dream World Abilitys so i want to be able to create those.

Yes you can with the 42h being flagged. See post #8! Since there haven't been any dream world pokemon given out by global link yet, I'm unsure whether or not changing to a dream world ability will change the IVPID, or will just flag it. (I hope it just gets flagged).

If you want to breed dream world Pokemon, have a female (mother) with the 42h flagged+ability and breed it with a compatible male, and it's ~50%. That way you can get a legitimate PID and get the DW ability legitimately (sort of ;D)

RyuuShin

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Ok i get it.

The best option will be to Create Hatched pokemon with the correct ability.

If the Egg PID is generated the same way as in HG/SS it would be hard to impossible to proof the pokemon being not legit.

I gess we will know for sure when the RNG is fully understood.

Riolu Aura Sphere Now

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83h: Poké Ball

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Note: Optional Changes may be required. More testing some time this week.

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Kaphotics

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  Riolu Aura Sphere Now said:
83h: Poké Ball
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Note: Optional Changes may be required. More testing some time this week.

yay

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BerserkLeon

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  KazoWAR said:
This program should simulate the effects of a 4th generation Pokemon being shifted with the Pokeshifter. All information was gather from what kaphotics posted. Since I only have 1 DS, I can not run tests to see if Pokemon ran through both the Pokeshifter and this program made 1:1 binary matches.

your program works wonderfully for the most part but I've noticed it seems to set the ball to a dream ball in some cases.

my macargo was caught in platinum with a quick ball, after being shifted it changed to dream ball.

my mesprit kept its ultra ball value.

my ninetails which was palparked from leaf green to platinum was caught with a pokeball and it changed to a dream ball.

my mudkip from emerald kept it's pokeball value.

My pachirisu was caught in a heal ball and after being shifted it switched to a dream ball.

Is this supposed to happen?

Kaphotics

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  BerserkLeon said:
your program works wonderfully for the most part but I've noticed it seems to set the ball to a dream ball in some cases.

my macargo was caught in platinum with a quick ball, after being shifted it changed to dream ball.

my mesprit kept its ultra ball value.

my ninetails which was palparked from leaf green to platinum was caught with a pokeball and it changed to a dream ball.

my mudkip from emerald kept it's pokeball value.

My pachirisu was caught in a heal ball and after being shifted it switched to a dream ball.

Is this supposed to happen?

No it shouldn't.... if you don't mind, could you post those pkms so whatever was wrong can be figured out?

It's probably got to deal with the HGSS Pokeball hex, which wasn't documented well enough at the time.

It's just detecting an overflow on the 83h, going above 19 still registers it as a Dream Ball. If you change it in a hex editor you can fix em. HGSS balls I gather are not preserved and any value 20+ @ 0x83 -> 04 (Pokeball) (with no other hex change??? really have no pkms to look at)

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