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    Legendary Pokemon Pattern

    Since new legendary Pokemon were created in Generation II, I was always curious what new legendaries* will come and where their palce will be in the whole picture.

    So as the generations went on, I slowly realised there is some kind of structure or pattern behind it.

    But first I have to make clear that this is based on the games and has as least as possible to do with what the Anime says as it treats them regarding it's own logic and stories (Thou shall not catch legendaries etc xD)

    I also posted such a thread on another forum some time ago so some things will be copied from there.

    So, there are obvious "relations" and hidden ones.
    An obvious relation between legendaries would be:
    -Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres are a trio.

    The proof that one can really distinguish those kind of relations, before anything has been said about them officially, OR find ones that are held as secret by the game makers, is the reaction people had after checking Giratina at the time Dialga and Palkia were obvious counterparts, while there wasn't anything told about Giratina:
    There were 2 kinds of opinions on forums.
    The few people that checked Giratina's ingame features (base statuses, attacks, levels the attacks are learned, types....) and looked at it's design closely, said:
    -Giratina is with no doubt the third counterpart to Palkia and Dialga
    -Dialga, Palkia and Giratina are obviously a TRIO
    -Giratina will be on the box of the 3rd installment etc....

    Everyone else/the majority, answered:
    -They're not related!

    With Platinum announced it became clear that the former group was right about this.



    *Now I have to determine what I mean with legendaries:
    Every Pokemon normally known as legendary besides the 600TBS (total base stats) events, duos and just very special Pokemon:
    -MEW*
    It contains DNA of every other Pokemon
    -MEWTWO
    Manmade clone of Mew
    -CELEBI, JIRACHI, SHAYMIN, MANAPHY
    Event pokemon ("unobtainable") with special abilities, the regular MEW like Pokemon of it's generation
    -LATIOS & LATIAS
    The very rare eon duo
    -DEOXYS
    A mutated virus from space
    -CRESSELIA & DARKRAI
    Moon phase duo (like the Lati@s)
    -HEATRAN
    Piece of molten crap that eats crap (sounds like a potential Deoxys counterpart xD)
    -PHIONE
    At first it seems like theres no point in it. But with some thinking(DX) I figured that out:
    Mewtwo is a stronger unnatural version of Mew
    If they wanted to make the opposite with Manaphy, what would it be?
    A weaker natural version.
    Now what's the only natural thing legendaries are missing? Right, reproduction.


    Mew vs. Arceus
    You have probably all seen a thread like "Which ones the god?"
    IMO, they tried to create 2 Pokemon that would represent the real-world's debate about the origin of life.
    -Scientists belive Mew to be the ancestor of Pokemon
    -Myths talk about Arceus creating the Universe
    Theory of Evolution vs Religious creationism
    =)
    (The right answer is the third option: They were all created by humans from the real world.)



    I'm going to list some interesting things about legendaries from each generation, but not the features, that mebmers of a trio have in common which prove the fact of them being a trio (just check their pokedex to see those (similar moveset/levels, base stats, abilities etc)).

    Generation I
    +Articuno
    +Zapdos
    +Moltres
    -The Ice, Electric and Fire birds.
    -They're found at places fitting their abilities and where they have probably chosen themselves to reside at.
    -It's worth mentioning that Moltres was stronger in RBY when there was only 1 special stat.

    Generation II
    +Raikou
    +Entei
    +Suicune
    Addition of another trio, the cats (lion, tiger and cheetah ARE NOT DOGS -.-).
    -Electric, Fire sound familiar, but there is no Ice cat before them, but a Water one after them. This is what started my curiosity. Is there a reason why they did this with Suicune?
    Yes. I think they realised, it would get too repetitive and boring if every generation had the same 3 types used for a legendary trio. Choosing 3 different types would get them like 3 good combinations (especially when ecluding possible secondary types like flying, bug or dragon).
    So a complex and interesting solution is keeping some and changing some every generation! We will see.
    -They are a perfectly balanced trio stat-wise, with Raikou having best S.Atk and Speed, Entei HP and Atk, and Suicune S.Def and Def
    -Found in "hybernation mode"/asleep in a cave under a destroyed building
    -After awaking them, they roam through the grasses of Johto
    -Suicune plays a special role in Crystal

    +Lugia
    +Ho-oh
    -The 2 new "Mewtwos", as those 3 were the only one with 680TBS (which is 100 more than legendary trios)
    -2 towers were constructed by humans to show their gratitude, the Brass and Tin tower. They came resting on the tops. Ho-oh's tower was destroyed by a storm. Under it is the mentioned cave where the 3 Cat Pokemon, said to be resurrected by Ho-oh after dying, are found. Lugia flew away into the ocean, while Ho-oh sometime returns to the left standing tower.

    So at the 2nd Generation, we have 2 huge flying monsters which seem to have some kind of guardian role to the 2 trios.



    Generation III
    +Regirock
    +Regice
    +Registeel
    -A Rock, ICE and Steel Golem trio. Ice wasn't yet used twice in trios, so they repeat it and add 2 totally new types (probably because Ice and water in the same trio would be odd) which also fit the golem concept. Good job IMO.
    -Very defensive oriented
    -Regirock is the physical, Regice the special golem and Registeel is the balanced version of the other two.
    -They're sealed into hidden caves, which for access require intelligence for reading braille instructions on solving puzzles.
    -They don't have any real eyes (you'll see later why I mention this)

    +Groudon
    +Kyogre
    +Rayquaza
    -The ancient climate influencing 3.
    -Well they actually are not a trio, because Rayquaza is superior to Groudon and Kyogre:
    It has 680 TBS instead of 670
    It has 2 types instead of 1
    It has multi colored patterns on it's body instead of 1 colour
    It's abilities disables the other 2's abilities effects.
    -Rayquaza plays a guardian-like role in that it acts intelligent (Emerald event) instead of just going out on rampage after waking like Groudon and Kyogre

    So we got another trio (without a fitting guardian) another big flying intelligent monster and 2 troublemaking monsters.



    Generation IV
    +Uxie
    +Mesprit
    +Azelf
    -a whole psychic trio representing Knowledge, Emotion and Will.
    I was a bit shocked about this as it made no sense what was going on here, as they seemed to have the regular trio 580 TBS, but at the same time looked extremely similar.
    My prediction which I was 100% sure of happening was:
    1 member being water type
    1 either rock or steel
    1 with an yet unused type for trio legendaries
    q_Q?
    After taking a deeper look at them I realised something interesting:
    -Azelf represents Will, reminding me of how the birds are the only trio not to be sealed up somewhere
    -Uxie represents Knowledge ---> Regi chambers (closed eyes)
    -Mesprit:
    Emotion
    Balanced stats
    Runs away and roams the region
    ->They are the past 3 trios in 3 Pokemon

    +Regigigas
    -4th bigger stronger golem (the birds got their guardian a generation later in Lugia)
    -Surprisingly it has 670 stats, is asleep sealed in a temple (Kyogre, Groudon?).

    +Dialga
    +Palkia
    +Giratina
    -The dimension trio 680TBS.
    -They live in different dimensions and are capable of altering those.
    -They're part dragon... wait a second. Take a look at their primary types:
    Steel
    Water
    Ghost
    My explanation for why the missing type pattern was put on 680 monsters:
    Gamefreak realised they got into a habbit of releasing THREE main games every generation, and adding a TRIO every generation. So they combined them.
    We will see if the fifth generation will continue the type pattern on main legendaries or if they'll go back to 580.
    But we can logicaly assume their primary types:
    One will be surely rock, ghost will be saved for the 6th generation trio, so the other two will have yet unused types/one of the following:
    Grass, Fight, Poison, Ground or Dark
    Yay.

    The legendary pattern as of Gen IV:


    And the non-legendary legendaries:



    Thanks for reading.

    1.Do you find this as interesting as I do?
    2.Does this make any logic to anyone else than me?
    3.Anyone else can't wait to see what legendaries are coming next?

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    Re: Legendary Pokemon Pattern

    Very interesting. I thought about this for the most part. Suicune was mostly likely made water because a defensive Ice type would NOT work. 4 weaknesses and 1 resistance hardly makes a tank. Water is the superior choice in tanking... and it took those monkeys at Gamefreak 3 years to figure that one out :-/
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    Re: Legendary Pokemon Pattern

    Regice is a defensive Ice legendary =P
    Suicune could easily be Ice, just make it a bit brighter blue.
    Also in pokedex order,
    birds: Ice - Electric - Fire - _____
    cats: ___ - Electric - Fire - Water

    And since when are there monkeys at Gamefreak? o_o

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    Regice is a terrible wall now. He was great in R/S/E where Special defense actually mattered. Now with Stealth Rocks all around and with Choice Banders, he stands no chance in the standard metagame as he used to. That's why defensive Ice types won't work. Ice is one of the best offensive types in the metagame though... it strikes SO MANY things for Super Effective damage.

    Monkeys in Gamefreak is just my way of saying how much I appreciate Gamefreak for screwing over Flareon and Articuno and how they gave Rhyhorn Tail Whip and Leer and how they refuse to evolve Farfetch'd and how they gave Sudowoodo a baby form without giving it actual new moves among many things.
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    This was very interesting. I can totally see your logic. However, didn't Uxie, mesprit, and azelf appear at mt. coronet when it was only one legendary appearing like dialga or palkia to keep their power in check? Also I think you should make up a new one as well, guardians.

    Like celebi is the guardian of the forest right?

    Cresselia is the guardian of canalave against darkrai. Dont forget jirachi absorbs energy from that one comet to keep a place in one of the regions alive and thriving.
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    Re: Legendary Pokemon Pattern

    Wow that was very interesting, and i can understand the logic your getting at, and it makes perfect sense, but i have never thought of the legendaries like that, i was just happy that here was those uber powerful Pokemon that could solo the Elite 4, while your pitiful Pokemon couldn't.

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    I still think there should be guardians. Here is what I think are the guardians...

    Celebi-guardian of the forest
    Cresselia-guardian of dreams
    Darkrai-guardian of alamos town
    Heatran-guardian of the volcano/stark mountain

    These are some pretty cool legendaries that I think in the original post you are degrading. Although, I do have to agree with most of what you said Klaatu
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    We need more Ground type legends

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    Mew vs. Arceus being Theory of Evolution vs Religious creationism

    But I think its more Like Greek Myth like this

    In Greek Myth out of the Void came Chaos Chaos Created the Unviers then he Created Chaos

    It says Arceus was made out of the Void Arceus Created the Univerise then Mew

    Mew and Arceus had
    Lugia
    Ho-oh
    Rayquaza
    Regigigas
    2 of every other Pokemon (Non Legendary)

    Arceus went off and made the following Pokemon on his own
    Cresselia
    Darkrai
    Heatran
    Dialga
    Palkia
    Giratina
    Uxie
    Mesprit
    Azelf

    Mew went off and Made the Following Pokemon on her Own
    Latios
    Latias
    Deoxys
    Celebi
    Jirachi
    Shaymin
    Manaphy

    Lugia had 3 Children Articuno Zapdos Moltres

    Ho-Oh Took 3 Pokemon and made them into The Dogs now I have a Theory on this also Ho-Oh tool the 3 orginal Evolution of Evee and made Raikou Entei Suicune

    Manaphy had Phione

    Regigigas had 3 Regirock Regice Registeel

    Rayquaza had 2 Groudon Kyogre

    And Mewtwo was made by Man
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    Re: Legendary Pokemon Pattern

    Quote Originally Posted by Klaatu View Post
    We will see if the fifth generation will continue the type pattern on main legendaries or if they'll go back to 580.
    But we can logicaly assume their primary types:
    One will be surely rock, ghost will be saved for the 6th generation trio, so the other two will have yet unused types/one of the following:
    Grass, Fight, Poison, Ground or Dark
    Yay.
    Well about Gen. 5, patterns are still evident
    For example:
    -Cobalion (Steel/Fighting TBS=580 Ability=Justified)
    -Terrakion(Rock/Fighting TBS=580 Ability=Justified)
    -Virizion(Grass/Fighting TBS=580 Ability=Justified)
    Fighting Type on this trio? TBS=580? Same Ability? They are a trio. According to the BW dex, this trio protected Pokémon in a war against humans. And also they do have a special move --- Secret Sword.
    But wait!
    Here comes Keldeo.
    Water/Fighting TBS=580 Ability=Justified Special move=Secret Sword?
    And if you look at these four Pokémon's Base HP stat --> All 91's
    So the trio stated above is not just a trio... IT'S A QUARTET!
    That's what I all know about them. About the Tao Trio---It's a long story.
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    With the advent of the musketeers the whole thing became even less random and more clear.
    Palkia/Dialga/Giratina types turn out to just have fit the pattern coincidentally. Because actually the pattern wasn't continued by them but only now in gen V picked back up.

    Since generation 4 approach or theme was "ultimate", the plan was to finish the first 3 generations with a OMFG finish,
    which meant:
    -lots of evolutions
    -lots of big legendaries
    -lots of exotic and hax pokes
    -rest of new pokemon focused more on rare and specially obtained ones
    -biggest region
    -regular grass/water pokemon being mostly stuff from I-III instead of
    It was essentially what gen II was to gen I (bonus round), but to all gens before it instead and even more focused.

    But with all this, seems they also decided it was not a time for making a normal legendary trio, so instead they took the past 3 trios, squeezed them each into one pokemon conceptually, made this new trio of past trios the stereotypical legendary type of Psychic, and viola, Azelf, Mesprit, Uxie.

    Which makes me wonder if there will be another Psy (or trio of Ghost etc?) in a hypotethical gen 8 to "spiritually" represent the musketeers and the trios of 6 and 7.

    But yes
    heres a clearer picture of what pattern they seem to insist to even after 5 generations:



    It alternatingly adds 1 or 2 more types, while not using any type more than twice.
    This creates 8 unique trios. Which is enough for a thousand pokemon.
    And even after the thousand, you can just pick a different combination of starting types and get 8 more.

    The transparent types are just examples and not supposed to imply any actual prediction (except for Grass and Water, they are a given)


    Oh and regarding Keldeo.
    It really is amazingly similar to the other 3, but since IT IS an event pokemon, and even story-wise has a role of more like an apprentice or adoptee, I don't treat it as a proper member of the group, just like how Regigigas is a stronger Normal fourth Regi, yet we all obviously ignore its existence when talking about trios.

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    Re: Legendary Pokemon Pattern

    Made a fancier version of the "tree of true legends"


    reminds me of the tree of life from the kabbalah.
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    This is amazing! Actually makes sense! Nice work.

    BTW, I've been thinking, why do the Legendary Beasts exist?
    Shaymin. Yes, that's right, the Shaymin did it.

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    Okay, so, it's a stretch, but it has a chance of being true.
    So, they were created by Ho-Oh after they died in the burning of the towers, right?
    But why did they burn down?
    Well, they burned down because of lightning.
    With "knew" Pokémon knowledge, we know that Thundurus causes lightning.
    But why would Thundurus want to destroy those towers?
    Well, Thundurus is an acquaintance or Tornadus, and Tornadus wants to hurt lugia. But why?
    In Pokémon Crystal, Lugia’s Pokédex entry says: “It has an incredible ability to calm raging storms. It is said that LUGIA appears when storms start.”
    So, Lugia started messing with Tornadus, and that's why Tornadus is mad at it.
    So why burn down the towers? Lugia used to perch on one.
    Lugia perched on one because the tower was dedicated to it, out of gratitude, so it accepted the offer.
    Read that last line again. Out of GRATITUDE.
    And who taught the humans gratitude? Shaymin.
    Now, you might be thinking, but aren't all the Shaymin chilling out in Sinnoh?
    Well, that may be the case now, but remember, Shaymin migrate.
    So they could've been all the way in Johto around the time the towers were built.

    Yes, that's right.
    Shaymin made the people build the towers. Lugia took one and messed with Tornadus. Thundurus burned the towers for Tornadus. The Eeveelutions died. Ho-Oh resurrects them as the Legendary Beasts.


    Also, it wasn't just 1-4 they ended with a bang. It was the first "series".
    Think about it.

    Spoiler

    Generation 1:
    -First game.
    -Lots of "new" Pokémon.
    -Basically an introduction.

    Generation 5:
    -Lots more new Pokémon.
    -Majority of storyline has only the new Pokémon....

    Sounds like a complete knew Pokémon world to me.

    Generation 2:
    -Added two new types:
    -Dark
    -Steel
    -Added the new Breeding System.

    Generation 6:
    -Added one new type:
    -Fairy
    -Added the new Mega-Evolution System.

    Seeing a pattern?
    It seems like Generation 7 will be "a new Hoenn" and Generation 8 "a new Sinnoh."


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