Spanish 10ANIV Ho-Oh's Legality Issues

[Giazardon]

Hi, everyone! I would like to ask about the legality of this particular Pokémon.

Back in 2006, some random kid traded me a Spanish 10ANIV Ho-Oh. Last year, I rescued it using the Hall of Fame Extractor, as the PKHeX tab did not exist then.

When adjusting the necessary values, depending on the update, PKHeX itself indicated that either the OT had been modified or that there was a PID mismatch.

Could it be that this 10ANIV Ho-Oh was generated incorrectly at the official distribution station? Or does PKHeX not recognize it because there may be distribution variants which need to be covered?

Back in the day, ordinary players did not rely on game modification tools or homemade events. These were available to the general public starting with Gen 4.

I am attaching the Ho-Oh file in case anyone can solve my question.

Thank you for your time, and keep up the great work!

0250 - HO-OH - 200967B8FAB8.pk3

[Kaphotics]

Wrong PID type, which PKHeX correctly indicates.

It should not be "Method 1".

[Giazardon]

19 minutes ago, Kaphotics said:

Wrong PID type, which PKHeX correctly indicates.

It should not be "Method 1".

Yeah! PKHeX accepts Ho-Oh's PID when setting Navel Rock as its met location and marking the Fateful Encounter box.
Considering the age of the Pokémon, I wanted to check it out.
Thank you for your quick answer! Cheers!

[theSLAYER]

@Giazardon

 

There’s actually really limited data in the Hall of Fame. The tool basically re-genning/recreating the Mon (it is nothing like rescuing the Mon from some long lost corner of the save)

Without much valid info, (and given my code isn’t that smart nor am I motivated enough to deal with odd cases) that tool incorrectly (for this case) gave IVs that would lead to Method 1. You could use Pokefinder to find the correct IVs it should have (I don’t remember the algo for PIDIV 10ANNIV should have, but looking at a copy from the mystery gift database should inform you)

[Giazardon]

On 9/3/2025 at 8:57 AM, theSLAYER said:

@Giazardon

 

There’s actually really limited data in the Hall of Fame. The tool basically re-genning/recreating the Mon (it is nothing like rescuing the Mon from some long lost corner of the save)

Without much valid info, (and given my code isn’t that smart nor am I motivated enough to deal with odd cases) that tool incorrectly (for this case) gave IVs that would lead to Method 1. You could use Pokefinder to find the correct IVs it should have (I don’t remember the algo for PIDIV 10ANNIV should have, but looking at a copy from the mystery gift database should inform you)

Thank you for getting back to me! Really appreciated!

Yeah, the rescue thing was a little vague on my part. Sorry for that!

Last year, I was able to assign legit methods, IVs, and similar values to various Hall of Fame Pokémon. However, this Ho-Oh is a rather unique case.

I did try to adjust Ho-Oh by changing its IVs, but PKHeX does not accept any variant.

These are all the variants that I was able to recreate. The file includes Method 1, Method 2, Method 4, Channel Method 1, Channel Method 2, and two different alternatives that I got thanks to the IV⇆PID Calculator.

10ANIV Ho-Oh.bin

[manolin18]

Hello, I took a look at your Ho-Oh and found that the problem is this:

PID Type: Method_1 [BACD_R_A]
Origin Seed: 5FC7C7CC

The PID type should be BACD. If I use “Reverse Method 1” in pokefinder, it should be:

FAB867B8    No    Lonely    0    7    0    20    6    0    27

And then pkhex continues with the error “Invalid: PID+ correlation does not match what was expected for the Encounter's type.” and even though I already have:

PID Type: BACD [BACD_R_A]
Origin Seed: 5FC7C7CC

The problem is the seed. I've looked at all the events I have and others, and your Pokémon's seed is too “high.” The maximum seed value is FFFF (65535 in decimal). Using Pokefinder 4.0.0 and “Method 1 Reverse,” I found a 31/31/24/5/23/31 Jolly (within the range of minors to FFFF), which I think is pretty good. I'll leave it here along with 3 others that I modified.

I also tried searching with that combination of IVs, even varying one of them, and I couldn't find any valid seeds. I searched by PID to see if there was another valid IV variation, but there wasn't, and finally I searched for IVs with different characteristics, but there were no different seeds.

I'm very “rusty” in all this, I hope I've explained myself well, plus my English isn't very good.

 

Ho-Oh v2.zip

Edited September 6 by manolin18
Ho-Oh now in .pk3

[Giazardon]

6 hours ago, manolin18 said:

Hello, I took a look at your Ho-Oh and found that the problem is this:

PID Type: Method_1 [BACD_R_A]
Origin Seed: 5FC7C7CC

The PID type should be BACD. If I use “Reverse Method 1” in pokefinder, it should be:

FAB867B8    No    Lonely    0    7    0    20    6    0    27

And then pkhex continues with the error “Invalid: PID+ correlation does not match what was expected for the Encounter's type.” and even though I already have:

PID Type: BACD [BACD_R_A]
Origin Seed: 5FC7C7CC

The problem is the seed. I've looked at all the events I have and others, and your Pokémon's seed is too “high.” The maximum seed value is FFFF (65535 in decimal). Using Pokefinder 4.0.0 and “Method 1 Reverse,” I found a 31/31/24/5/23/31 Jolly (within the range of minors to FFFF), which I think is pretty good. I'll leave it here along with 3 others that I modified.

I also tried searching with that combination of IVs, even varying one of them, and I couldn't find any valid seeds. I searched by PID to see if there was another valid IV variation, but there wasn't, and finally I searched for IVs with different characteristics, but there were no different seeds.

I'm very “rusty” in all this, I hope I've explained myself well, plus my English isn't very good.

Ho Oh.zip 1.14 kB · 1 download

Hi! Thank you so much for your contribution!

Certainly, this case is somewhat anomalous. The anomaly lies in the fact that it is not a Pokémon generated with homemade distribution carts nor similar tools, as it belongs to 2006 and was traded by a child of the time.

For instance, I know that there were illegal shiny Pokémon because of GameShark. If the Ho-Oh in question were an English 10ANNIV variant, I would not doubt its illegitimacy.

Sorry if it seems like I am being pushy with this matter! I also wanted to share it out of curiosity. Maybe its mismatch was produced by the Spanish distribution station.

[manolin18]

5 hours ago, Giazardon said:

Hi! Thank you so much for your contribution!

Certainly, this case is somewhat anomalous. The anomaly lies in the fact that it is not a Pokémon generated with homemade distribution carts nor similar tools, as it belongs to 2006 and was traded by a child of the time.

For instance, I know that there were illegal shiny Pokémon because of GameShark. If the Ho-Oh in question were an English 10ANNIV variant, I would not doubt its illegitimacy.

Sorry if it seems like I am being pushy with this matter! I also wanted to share it out of curiosity. Maybe its mismatch was produced by the Spanish distribution station.

Personally, I would find it strange if someone modified the Pokémon and didn't do the typical Full IV. Back in 2006, there was a lot of cloning and GameShark (which could create Pokémon), but of course, it's quite rare for a PID to coincide with its seed. I don't know if any of those methods could cause this.

As I said, in all the Pokémon I have from that event, the seed is never greater than FFFF, but of course I can't guarantee that mine or the ones I've seen weren't generated. So that's the flaw. I wasn't at Moviplaya2006, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was their mistake, because it's typical of Nintendo Iberia (Spain + Portugal) to do things so badly.

Regarding the methods you mentioned earlier, “Method 1, Method 2, Method 4, Channel Method 1, Channel Method 2,” the only one that works in this situation is “Method 1 Reverse,” or at least that's the one that has worked for me. I use pokefinder 4.0.0 because I'm more used to it. In the latest version, I can't find where to search directly with Method 1 Reverse.

I realized that the Ho-ohs weren't .pk3, so I'm uploading them in that format instead.

[Giazardon]

On 9/6/2025 at 1:55 PM, manolin18 said:

Personally, I would find it strange if someone modified the Pokémon and didn't do the typical Full IV. Back in 2006, there was a lot of cloning and GameShark (which could create Pokémon), but of course, it's quite rare for a PID to coincide with its seed. I don't know if any of those methods could cause this.

As I said, in all the Pokémon I have from that event, the seed is never greater than FFFF, but of course I can't guarantee that mine or the ones I've seen weren't generated. So that's the flaw. I wasn't at Moviplaya2006, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was their mistake, because it's typical of Nintendo Iberia (Spain + Portugal) to do things so badly.

Regarding the methods you mentioned earlier, “Method 1, Method 2, Method 4, Channel Method 1, Channel Method 2,” the only one that works in this situation is “Method 1 Reverse,” or at least that's the one that has worked for me. I use pokefinder 4.0.0 because I'm more used to it. In the latest version, I can't find where to search directly with Method 1 Reverse.

I realized that the Ho-ohs weren't .pk3, so I'm uploading them in that format instead.

Thanks again for your help and explanations! I uploaded the binary file with the alternatives I could generate, even knowing that this particular Ho-Oh would only be detected as legitimate with the Navel Rock location and so on.

Nevertheless, I am amazed by these atypical cases!