theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) Basically the title spells it all. This thread is dedicated to using RAM editing or even using Hex Editors To allow unused Sprites to serve a purpose in the game. Basically this thread can be considered an extended version and derivativeof here: http://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1416 I decided to focus not just on Arceus, but on other unused sprites, if any known. From what I know the currently unused pokemon sprites are as of the following: Shellos: http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/shellos/flavor Gastrodon: http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/gastrodon/flavor ??? Arceus: http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/arceus/flavor BETA Shaymin and Giratina: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Platinum_beta What we do know is for Arceus to Stay in Curse (???) type, It's ability must not be MULTITYPE or it will transform back to normal type if not equipped with the correct item. Using the offset of 0x00000040 for HEX editor, The value for Curse Arceus is found to be at least, 4C - 4F. (4D is my preference though). I'm currently trying to get the Shellos and Gastrodon, And on Platinum (using 0x00000040=4D) Gastrodon appears weird, Shellos unsucessful. If anyone manages to come up with any values, Note the value under which offset, and also which game (D/P or Pt) My Current List in mind: Gastrodon Shellos Shaymin (Pt) Beta Origin Giratina (Pt) Curse Arceus Cherim (Sunny 'mode' without activating Sunny Day) Substitute? DP sprites in Pt Edited July 30, 2009 by theSLAYER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Awsome i never tought of trying to find other unused sprites! I would like to help if i can in anyway like testing other values? I think this is a good idea! ( i started the curse arceus thing ) I never tought of trying to find other sprites for other pokemon. I wish some one tought of this a few months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yea its cool isnt it? Anyway I managed to secure a Cherrim (sunny form), But like Arceus, it will transform back if its ability remained the same, So I changed the ability to Serene Grace. (Initially wanted drought but it is kind of overkill). Basically at 0x40 change the value to 08. Or you can open the one I uploaded EDIT: I might be mistaken about something. Though it was in Sunny form and had Serene Grace as the ability, It still transformed back. I'll try by either changing the values or perhaps letting its ability be drought after all. BUT after battle it will revert back to sunny form o.0 cherrim sunny.pkm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 cool iam going to see what happens to giratina when i change its values i will report back with information any idea what value i should try? i know its most likely at 0x40 ---------- Post added at 09:37 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:33 AM ---------- oh by the way iam useing a jp platinum to test the giratina thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 cool iam going to see what happens to giratina when i change its values i will report back with information any idea what value i should try? i know its most likely at 0x40 thats cool! Anyway as seen from the wiki in the following link: http://projectpokemon.org/wiki/Pokemon_NDS_Structure#Unown.27s_Forms The numbers used usually are 08, 10, 18 ... etc. It is either a Y0 or Y8, with Y being any another number from 0-F in the hexadecimal range. Its like a pattern LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 i will try 18 and continue going up i will try to post pictures it will be awsome to get the unused bata forms ---------- Post added at 09:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:40 AM ---------- hey i will try changeing its formes like how i did with curse arceus you know at 0x0000040 i changed 04 to 18 it dosent look like it did anything in pokesav i will go ahead and try some thing else unless you know what values i should try ---------- Post added at 09:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:48 AM ---------- hey i dont really know much about hex editing i do know what value to change on arceus but i dont know what to change for other pokemon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 i will try 18 and continue going up i will try to post pictures it will be awsome to get the unused bata forms ---------- Post added at 09:48 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:40 AM ---------- hey i will try changeing its formes like how i did with curse arceus you know at 0x0000040 i changed 04 to 18 it dosent look like it did anything in pokesav i will go ahead and try some thing else unless you know what values i should try ---------- Post added at 09:52 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:48 AM ---------- hey i dont really know much about hex editing i do know what value to change on arceus but i dont know what to change for other pokemon? Basically I only managed to change the Giratina to Origin forme (0x40 = 08 I think). However it changed back in battle. When I tried other values the sprite (when its in the box) changed colors. I'm afraid that the beta Giratina isn't in the game. Well we can keep trying. I'm not very good at HEX editing, But basically what we do know that offset 0x40 is for formes, and by changing the values there (ranging from 00 - FF) May changed it to any sprites which may be programmed into the game. So the problem is finding the correct number, Besides the conventional 08 10 18 trend, cause ??? Arceus didn't follow that trend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 some thing happend in pokesav when i chnaged it to 4c like curse arceus it showed the unknowe letter j instead of the normal latter a iam testing it in my rom now ---------- Post added at 10:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:58 AM ---------- ok werd the sprite in the pc you know the mini ones that show up in boxes well its red like when you pick it up when select is pressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 some thing happend in pokesav when i chnaged it to 4c like curse arceus it showed the unknowe letter j instead of the normal latter a iam testing it in my rom now Yea I know what you are talking about, thats the form change thingy right. If you put 4C for giratina I thnk it will still change to J. Perhaps because that HEX number (4C) is like also J for Unown? EDIT: I just confirmed that by having a Sunny Forme Cherrim (0x40 = 08) € Having drought will keep it as Sunny Forme even in battle, As compared to it having Serene grace (which it could only stay as sunny forme outside battle, with or without winning it doesn't matter) Maybe we can toy with Castform too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 what numbers did you use show i dont go crazy trying to find one ---------- Post added at 10:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:05 AM ---------- oh it would be cool to mess with castform! i dont know if i will be on here a lot today i want to experiment with this i will try shaymine next ---------- Post added at 10:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:08 AM ---------- by the way how do you thank we could get the subtitute sprite to show up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 what numbers did you use show i dont go crazy trying to find one---------- Post added at 10:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:05 AM ---------- oh it would be cool to mess with castform! i dont know if i will be on here a lot today i want to experiment with this i will try shaymine next This is what we found (all at offset 0x40): Sunny forme Cherrim -> 08 Origin Giratina -> 08 Curse Arceus -> 4C ~ 4F (may be more) I'm expecting the Castform Forms to be at 08, 10 and 18, though I haven't try it yet. Shaymin's Sky forme is at 08, And if the beta frame is programmed in, I'm hoping its at 10. ---- And I have no idea how to get the substitute to appear. If only we can encounter and catch it LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 hopefully i want some bata formes oh by the way has anyone tryed tradeing on the gts with any of the curse arceus? or other hex edited pokemon? ---------- Post added at 10:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 AM ---------- i tryed shaymin 0x10 and got a yellow pc icon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 Not that I know of. I never heard anyone trying to trade hex edited sprites pokemon. Well trading is possible, but over GTS may have some risk factors. and it seems when you play with numbers which isn't programmed, the color changes I want the beta formes too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 if only it changed the colors oe the sprite that shows up in summy and battle that would be cool a yellow shaymin a orange giratina? ---------- Post added at 10:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:35 AM ---------- i added curse arceus information to the wiki in the pokemon nds structure if you want to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 if only it changed the colors oe the sprite that shows up in summy and battle that would be cool a yellow shaymin a orange giratina?---------- Post added at 10:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:35 AM ---------- i added curse arceus information to the wiki in the pokemon nds structure if you want to see it HEY I saw the addition. Well right now its temp 4C, Cause we cant find anyway to keep it at Curse without an existing item. and I messed with Castform. When I changed it to 08 (sunny forme), It stayed in Sunny forme in and after battle. Even if it changed forme in battle (due to weather) After battle it'll revert to 08. It's pretty handy, though I'm not sure at that point was it fire type (it says normal type by default). Need to get it hit by a water type attack to see if its fire type. Currently messing with 10 and 18 in hopes of getting the water and ice forme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 sweet i love the water type one hope you find it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 sweet i love the water type one hope you find it! Yea if I'm not mistaken water forme is 10. Now testing that whether without the weather is it the same type as its forme. (It sounds confusing I know.) EDIT: Sadly, being able to change the sprite doesnt mean the type changed. Even though I was in Sunny Forme, Getting hit by a Water Pulse didn't cause a Super Effective. The weather probably still needs to be in play. EDIT 2: Is there any way to edit it's type using HEX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 not that i know of but iam still geting me a water castform and changeing its ability to kyorgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 not that i know of but iam still geting me a water castform and changeing its ability to kyorgers HAHA thats why I have a Castform with Drought! I'm testing that if it is in Sunny forme and has Drought, Will its type be fire? Results from the test: It won't be. It got hit by water pulse but didn't receive a Super Effective Hit. We really need to be able to change it's type through HEX. Well, at least the Castform in Sunny Forme Sprite, When using Sunny day, will transform into Sunny Forme (which it already is), But also be a fire type. I know that giving it an ability like Multitype is useless, But Color Change ain't such a bad idea! --- Maybe you want to try playing with ditto? I don't know if playing with it may land us with other sprites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 posted by theslayerI know that giving it an ability like Multitype is useless, But Color Change ain't such a bad idea! what did you mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 what did you mean ? Multitype won't work as long as it isn't given to Arceus. As for Color Change (Kecleon's Ability). It can be used to trick your opponents. Like they attack your Castform with a grass attack thinking its Water type (cause its in water forme), Than you unleash a fire blast! Even though there isn't a Same Type Attack Bonus (STAB), At least its fun to trick people. Or perhaps because you have color change, you can practically become any type. its just for fun really. As long as castform stays normal type, It is pretty pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 i hope we find a way to change the type i wonder if it is possable to do ti trough hex editing? ---------- Post added at 11:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:13 AM ---------- ditto? i wonder probly not but then again it can transform into all the other pokemon so it woulde be possable but there would be so many hex numbers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yea maybe ditto is a bit far fetched. Well as you can see, There is only us in this thread, So no one can tell us yet if the type can be changed through hex editing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrick Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 has any thing been figuerd out ? i dont have time to work on it so i was just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSLAYER Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 I haven't had much progress as I've been doing assignments so far I think the gastrodon sprites only applies in DP. I believe that PP should have the information of the alternate and beta sprites on their page. Plus you know in the contests the DP sprites are used instead of the Pt sprites, Can we try to activate those sprites in the summary too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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