Marill .

How is aqua jet or ice punch a special move for marill lol iirc it can learn both by breeding and tutoring in gen 5

18 minutes ago, Hello, it's me! said:

How is aqua jet or ice punch a special move for marill lol iirc it can learn both by breeding and tutoring in gen 5

Fair point on Aqua Jet (gen 5 Marill egg move), though it's a special move in Dream World Sense (not Move Slot A).
(breeding moves could be argued to be a special move, if you catch it wild without breeding)

Ice Punch was only a Tutor Move in B2W2, while the Dream World's Pleasant Forest was available before B2W2's release.
So at that point in time, that was the only known way to get Ice Punch.

And that's ignoring the fact that it's in the nice fancy Dream Ball.
Can't breed Dream Balls in Gen 5.

7 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Fair point on Aqua Jet (gen 5 Marill egg move), though it's a special move in Dream World Sense (not Move Slot A).
(breeding moves could be argued to be a special move, if you catch it wild without breeding)

Ice Punch was only a Tutor Move in B2W2, while the Dream World's Pleasant Forest was available before B2W2's release.
So at that point in time, that was the only known way to get Ice Punch.

And that's ignoring the fact that it's in the nice fancy Dream Ball.
Can't breed Dream Balls in Gen 5.

same thing applies for focus punch and ice shard being special moves for delibird

Don’t see focus punch anywhere in it’s Gen5 moveset, unless I’m missing something.

true, Ice shard is a breeding move, however once again you can obtain it in a Dream Ball without breeding in Gen 5.

I could simply not call it Special moves, but then again it’s not part of its level up moveset, so..

8 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Don’t see focus punch anywhere in it’s Gen5 moveset, unless I’m missing something.

true, Ice shard is a breeding move, however once again you can obtain it in a Dream Ball without breeding in Gen 5.

I could simply not call it Special moves, but then again it’s not part of its level up moveset, so..

my bad , focus punch is indeed a gen 5 special move for delibird

also i think dream ball can be passed down by breeding

9 minutes ago, Hello, it's me! said:

also i think dream ball can be passed down by breeding 

checked Bulbapedia, pretty sure ball passing wasn't in Gen 5.

In any case, let's say you're at the start of the game without access to breeding,
that is the only way to get those moves early on.

11 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

checked Bulbapedia, pretty sure ball passing wasn't in Gen 5.

In any case, let's say you're at the start of the game without access to breeding,
that is the only way to get those moves early on.

fair point

Why do all the pokemon in the dreamworld have the OT PPorg? are they legitimate?
 

why can't they have the OT PPorg?

And no Pokemon extracted by save editing tools can be legitimate.