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This is Gamefreak's way of "Nerfing" Stealth Rocks. I can Promise you that because of Gen-IV, it will still be very prevalent in teams. The only difference, is that it wont be on leads anymore, and will instead by reserved for Bulky Pokemon who can set it up on the opponents switch out. Spikes might completely vanish, with the state stall will be in.

Politoad and Nintetales wont be Uber. They'll be OU. Now that we have all 4 weathers viable in OU permamently, we don't have to worry so much about them being Uber. The main reason that Drought/Drizzle would be uber is because of super amazing over-centralization. Everyone would have to run a Rain Dance team or be swept. Here; however, it's a matter of keeping your Weather inducer alive. Gen-V metagame will likely be extremely weather friendly, and Trick Room will shoot up in usage too. (It will be difficult for weather teams to play when their speed boosts are now against them.) Bulky/Hyper Offense will be the main play styles, either with or without weather, and Stall will be nearly impossible, but still do-able if the person is good enough. (A friend of mine is already working out plans. He loves Stall more than any other play style.)

I don't know if this has been adressed yet, but you can in fact keep your save files. all you have to do is rename the patched file to whatever you originally had it as. (I believe for most of us this will be b-Pokemonw or b-pokemonb). This will allow you to use your save file. As for things I would like to nitpick about.

It's slightly annoying that the Pokemon Status Pages are in Japanese still, even though I know the order, I would still like to see "Attack" "Defense" etc. The other protagonists name's are Cheren(Might be wrong) and Belle, Cheren is a male for sure. I would like the names of who I'm fighting to be translated, but that's probably a bit much.

I think that's all I've got to say for now. The most important thing here is to rename your game so that you can keep your save file.

Perhaps, just to avoid such matches, it will go straight on up to Uber. Keep in mind if they were both Eccentric, they would need to come in simultaneously. In all honesty though, I think Politoad's rise from edge of obscurity to potential Uber overnight is bigger history.

I wasn't aware Ditto Copied Stat Boosts as well. I thought he only copied Base Stats.

Even still, this might (Big might) bump him to Ou, or more likely BL. His main fault is everything is set to 5 PP, so he wont be around for an overly long time.

Good to see nothing immature has started in this thread. Hopefully it won't end up like the Gbatemp forums with arguments and flaming going everywhere lol.

Yeah, over at GBATemp I believe half the people are saying. "Quit wasting your time on freaking Pokemon. You already know it's going to come out in the states, so quit being and impatient prick and help us on the games that will never see the light of an american shore." The other half are shouting back randomly etc. I'm glad this topic has some sense. After this can we work on getting these games to save on No$GBA, lol >.> (Jk btw)

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i almost kinda feel sorry for the dragon/ice combination Kyuremu(i really liked it). compared to it's "brothers" Reshiram and Zekrom which which gamefreak gave 2 signatures moves each (Powerful!!...<echoes>). And poor kyuremu only gets one measly frozen world(Spheal will laugh at this guy). But maybe the infos are not yet complete so maybe kyuremu can still get a shot(or not)

And im still kinda hoping for an anti arceus. i know we all feel that #649 Genosekuto is not really the final pokemon in the pokedex but a more powerful one.

Anyway with the recent halt on pics of black and white i kinda forgot of how the others look.

The ice one doesn't get Cold World as his signature. He gets two moves, both I believe have like 140 Base Power, that deal damage on the second turn they are used, and i think you're allowed to attack on that second turn as well, for double up damage. One of them has a chance to paralyze, and the other has a chance to burn. So don't worry about him getting gipped or anything.

You guys are being greedy. You realize no generation has given us more than 151 Pokemon until now, right? My only complaint is that we need 1 more pokemon to round off at 650.

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The friends name's are Cheren and Belle, and I'm pretty Cheren is a boy o.0

I personally don't care too much about random storyline bits. I'll figure that out during the english release. The only story bits I care about are "Let's go to route 7" when I'm at route 18. This way I don't get lost. Other than that I only care about the menus, etc. Great work all of you, and I hope to see a version 1 soon.

I agree with everything on that list but south park and sports.

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I'll give that I was hoping for something more majestic like Zekrom or Rashirem for the third Legendary in this Trio, but imo it still looks cool. (Why does GF keep making Pokemon with Phallic heads. >.>) I do hope Pokemon reaches the 1,000 mark. Eventually though, I will want them to tone back a bit. Keep making new games for sure, but instead stop giving us new Pokemon. Eventually we wont be able to keep up anymore.

It's all good. That was an epic debate though.

Yeah, but I think we can make it.

Considering that most of the argument has derailed into opinionated territory; I'm gonna go ahead and wrap things up. I do in fact understand where you are coming from. For the record, I liked these Pokemon since before I saw their stats, so don't count me in as the crowd that only cares about numbers. I always find it more fun to when with an unorthodox strategy than spamming awesome OU Pokemon. Anyways, I can understand your opinion, and I respect that. Anything further than that though' we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Oh, and my argument sounded really heated. that's just how I type when I'm trying to make good points, I hope you didn't take offense to it or anything. ^^

#1: Yes... that's right. I was thinking the same thing really.

Glad we're on the same page here.

#2: Oh yes it is. Every time something new is added expect them to outclass the old. By the way, that phenomenon is not only limited to Pokemon... so whatever. It seems very dangerous right now really, as they have mixed bigger numbers on Pokemon that don't look like they possess the stats or anything. Because they are better than previous ones... that's the thing. They expect us to use this new... stuff that they bought out. I don't know... I don't think I can. It seems the stats were lazily distributed and the designs were lazily implemented. You may not see it, but I kind of see it that way. Gen V at this point looks very offensive styled, makes no room for stall... which is the type of game some people play (like me... it was my preferred method of battling really). Lousy designs just do not help, no matter what their stats/abilities/etc are!

Let me first take a look at the current Metagame. #3 Gengar, #4 Gyarados, #6 Starmie, #9 Dragonite, #13 Machamp. So with Four Generations, Generation I takes up 1/3rd of it. 4 Pokemon came from Gen IV, 2 from Gen II, and 4 from Gen III. What do these numbers tell me? It says that Generation I is the best. These Pokemon have withstood the test of time, and can compete in today's metagame, so I don't see where you're coming from with all this talk of Pokémon getting more broken each generation. I will give you that this Generation has a considerable spike in stats than previous generations. Here is what many are calling the most broken Pokemon from this Generation:

Aekeosu

Type: Rock/Flying

Ability: Faint Hearted

Base Stats:75 140 65 112 65 110 [Total:567] (Here's an interesting tidbit, his National Dex number is also 567)

Just by looking at it's stats premiliminarily, you'd think he's extremely broken. Something that fast, and with such absurd attack? Not to mention his great Special attack as well. Even Salamence can't boast figures like that, and he's been deemed Über! Let's take a closer look; however, first we'll gesture over to it's ability. It's effect is " If it's HP drops below 50%, Attack is reduced by half", and no, he doesn't have a Dream World ability to fix this. a single Bullet Punch from Scizor ruins him. After that, his best stat is his respectable 112 Special Attack, and a great Speed Number. His strongest special attacks are Focus Blast, Earth Power, and Dragon Pulse, two of which are Egg Moves. So if you go the special attacking route, you'll be easy to predict, and if not, then you only have access to one maybe two of these moves, and none of them are STAB for you to take advantage of. He doesn't even break the 600BST needed to be a pseudo legend like Salamence. He's an Early Game sweeper, meant for Hyper Offense, and that's it. Once you see all of what he is, instead of just glancing at it, you start to see it's not so bad after all. (I didn't cover everything here, because this argument isn't about him really.)

" as they have mixed bigger numbers on Pokemon that don't look like they possess the stats or anything"

My only response to this is, since when do magical make-believe critters have to obey the laws of physics and have big burly arms in order to be strong. You also claim that the Pokemon have Lousy Designs, you're argument has been repeatedly "They no longer look like Pokemon." Well guess what. They DO look like Pokemon, because they ARE Pokemon, and they were made by GAMEFREAK. You can say they don't look like it all you want, but the simple fact of the matter is...they are, and they do. You have no control over that, and if you have a problem, take it up with GameFreak. The metagame shifts each generation. This time around, Stall sucks, learn2play a new style, or keep trying with stall until you find a way to make it work. If you liked Stall, you might like Bulky Offense, if you are any good you should know what that is. If not, take a gander at my RMT for an example. That'll end this section of the rant.

#3: Oh come on, do you truly think any metagame is truly balanced? There is no such thing even as of yet. Even if I say Starcraft is the most balanced thing I've ever played, I can still see a lot of issues in there too. Change is not always for the better. "In a far away region..." sure I can accept that. I don't just look at the stats, but stats definitely do play an important role in Pokemon. So does typing... so does abilities, and of course, held items. Some of the stuff don't look American at all though.

With Mence and Latias gone, this metagame is as close to balanced as we can get. I did not say; however, that this future generation would be balanced, but that so far it seems that way. Keep in mind that when I say this, I am not saying that "Stall will be just as good as Hyper Offense, and vice-versa." but that our metagame will be more than the same 15 Pokemon spammed repeatedly. Small paragraph gets small reply.

Does adding stronger stuff like Aiming Mark necessarily balance the game out? Or rather break it? In any games, either buffing or nerfing something can bring detrimental results, leading to some stuff being completely unusable or just totally overcentralizing... controversy sparks on Ninetales and Politoed right now on their new abilities. Let me give you an example. A game my brother plays on his iTouch is this shooting game called Eliminate Pro... which introduced many weapons, and then the ultimate "Titan Pro" which was everyone's dream. But later on, they started adding more guns and eventually, this one called Menacer Pro came out. It had wall sticking properties, did a lot of damage, and was a rapid shooting gun. In fact, green balls were EVERYWHERE because of that. The gun required NO skills to use and people just beat others with ranks 300 + higher than them because of that. Needless to say, the Titan Pro was so outclassed... no one even uses that anymore. Although it is a decent gun, it looks downright obsolete because of the Menacer Pro. Later came the nerf... which didn't do anything to the gun... EXCEPT the firing rate was down. That ONE ASPECT totally rendered the gun unusable. Maplestory... Dual Bladers end up KSing others... not because the player is so good, but because the CLASS itself is good. They involve little to NO skills to use, as opposed to stuff like Crusaders. Starcraft II... most people play Terrans... although Starcraft does involve skills it seems it's a lot easier to use them right now than the other races... as Gin says, the Zergs have a LOT of problems competing right now. Now a question about the new Pokemon... will they end up requiring no skills just to own others? Or are you just so good because you know how to use it? Who knows?

Ducks fly South during the Winter; my parents fly south during the Winter; therefore, my parents are Ducks. This is the connection you are trying to make between Pokémon and these other games. It doesn't work, so stop using these ridiculous examples.

Previous gen are bought up to that level? Nah I don't believe so. I won't deny the old Pokemon did get buffed... they have indeed. I did research on some Pokemon's moves and everything... it can only help so much, but face it. One thing they cannot change are base stats, which is why I put an important emphasis on that. Stuff that was stuck with its stats from its debut will ALWAYS remain that way (Gen 1--> Gen 2 special split was an exception, but forget about that). 109 speed? 108ers... 116, etc... are you kidding me? How are we to compete with that? Some Pokemon like the legendary birds received absolutely no new moves (okay, new TMs... but that can only help so much). Some stuff, however, they managed to break, like Blaziken with Speed Boost. Like I said, buff/nerf can be a dangerous thing. I like Dragonite's new ability... BUT it only works at 100% HP. Boo. Heracross's overconfidence ability... meh too bad. Stuff that switches in after it OHKOs something will be a counter anyhow. They are paying attention to some of the old stuff, which is good... but it's really not enough to make them all that great. Mewtwo's Psycho Break, however, is a welcome addition as Mewtwo needed a signature move. Some they just broke beyond repair (as Blaziken, Zapdos, etc...)... others, well... I don't know, but would giving Gale to Pidgeot really help it that much? Many of the stuff that they bring is also very Double/Triple battle centric, such as that 180 BP move, Douse, etc...

~whistle~ Long paragraph. This'll take a while to break down. You say Base Stats can't be changed, but why should they? Let's compare two very similar Pokemon, one we all know and love. Machamp. The other, is almost his exact clone, Roopushin. Let's break them down and have a look-see.

90 130 80 65 85 55 [505]

105 140 95 55 65 45 [505]

Well wouldja look at that. The have the SAME BASE STATS. So from Generation I, to Generation V, there has been no sudden spike in the BST. The only difference is the distribution. Here, we have a bulkier Machamp, but without No-Guard. They are equals in every since of the word, and if you had bothered to look at pokemon as a whole, instead of saying "WTF 140 HAX THIS GAME SUCKS." You'd have realized that. (For the record, I find this guy one of the slightly more unimaginative Pokemon. He even evolves via Trade like Machamp.) Giving him new moves, and this will effectively "catch him up". Some Pokemon, struggled more than others, and for them, they were usually given new and better abilities. I mean, how epic is Gliscor now that he can heal 1/8th in Sandstorm instead of 1/16th. Some of these new Pokemon, are of course better than others. That's how things have always been. No matter what you do, Machamp will always pummel Blissey into oblivion, does that make him Broken? No, of course not. Some Pokemon, yes will be Uber. That shadow dragon we got might just make it, who knows, but the vast majority is on Par with previous generations. Maybe they'll have some sort of "edge" thanks to better stat distribution, but our old favorites are still viable, and will still be useful. Of course some will get gipped out of the curve, sometimes things happen. I mean, before SR, Charizard was barely playable, and now. Gone completely. These things happen, and while you might not like all of them, it's the way they are. Nothing is overly broken here, if it is, Tiering will set it right.

To the rest of your argument. The pokemon you listed were mostly NU in the first place. Of course it's not going to help much for them, they've been NU, and will stay NU. Some others, like Politoad went OU overnight. Regardless, they can't help them all. Competitively speaking, most of our favorites will still be viable, if not moreso than usual. (I believe you had a SD Breloom set, correct? Well it can get technician now. Imagine all the fun you can have with Mach Punch now.) I wont pretend to know exactly how this metagame will play out, but I do know for sure that it wont break. Besides, with the convenience of Wifi, I'm almost certain that Gen-IV will still be popular to play. (Similar to how ADV is popular in some circles.) So it's not like your being forced into this generation. If you don't want it, don't buy it. You don't want to compete, fine, don't.

One thing I know for certain is the restricted access of Stealth Rocks, which can be a good or a bad thing.

I know you probably want it too, but it wont. There are over 100 Pokemon who still get SR, and the only thing stopping them is a quick migration. The only Draw Back is you wont get new egg-moves/abilities. That's it.

Much like I wouldn't know how the game turns out, you wouldn't know either. I don't blindly think everything will be well... one has to be critical of what appears to happen. Like me, you are also guilty of theorymoning here... "new items and buffs on old Pokemon will balance it out for sure!"... no not completely. If stall is not viable (it was dying in Gen IV anyhow but at least manageable)... meh, what can I do? Pokemon is leaning towards offensive direction... and it always has been. Cannot say it's really balanced if there is no other modes of playing really.

It will be more balanced this generation, from what I've seen. Of course I can't predict the future, but it just feels like there's going to be way more diversity.

I WILL say this though... many of us got our wishes come true. "Give us something new!"... you've got it. "Stop spamming Zubats!"... you've got it (but half of that wish came true as it was replaced by some other idiotic bat). This list will be quite long so... I'm just gonna stop there. I guess they just HAD to add the new stuff (to keep the franchise going of course!)... but really they just don't fit with the rest of the other Pokemon.

Weather or not Kuromoi is stupid or not, is you're own opinion, and as such isn't fact. It is a new bat pokemon, and I actually preffer it's design over Zubat. (But perhaps that's because I'm tired of seeing it, lol.) Yep, we got something new, finally. Not all of it I agree with. (See: Trash Bag) but the majority I like. That ninja-bug looks cool (I'll give you that 135 speed is pretty bad, but so is ninjask, and he gets speed boost to boot.) They don't fit in? If you've payed close enough attention, each generation has it's own design flare to it that seperates it form each geneartion. Each region "feels" different from the rest, this one might feel slightly more different in that it is "farther away."

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1) Eel's are commonly Electricly charged throughout their body, which they use to paralyze prey. It makes sense, quite crying. The only possible change needed here, is to possibly include Water in it's typing.

2) The game isn't that Broken, that's the thing. You're little example fabricated, and thus holds absolutely no relevance. Pokemon aren't Broken, they just look that way to you because they are better than previously.

3) You clearly haven't been paying attention to the new items or attacks, looking only at their stats, and being completely close-minded to their appearance. The reason they look "different" is because they are in a "far-off region" (America). So yes they don't look like Traditional Pokemon, but do they need to? No, change is a good thing, over half of the gamers were crying that each gen is just a repeat of the last, even you have been crying about the boringness of the metagame because it's so centralized, well from what I see it's now actually balanced. (except stall, it'll be nearly impossible to pull it off.) Take a look at all the Items, and all the Moves. You'll see that this metagame is going to be balanced. At first you'll thing "Why the hell is everyone so broken, poor gen I-IV" but then you'll realize the previous generations are being brought up to this level. There are even tons of new items as well, like the Aiming Mark. In case you were wondering, Aiming mark allows you to bypass Immunities, like Gravity did for Ground immunity, the Aiming mark will do the same.

That's the thing, I've been looking beyond the skin. I will admit a good chunk of the new Pokemon are just plain fail. (A Garbage Bag...Really...) But the vast majority are freakin' sweet. This metagame will be chaos at first.

Oh, and Wraith; the new item "Aiming Mark" will dispel all of your troubles with my Eel.

If Final Fantasy has had 14 games, Pokemon can easily match 14 Generations.

1: You're statement is purely opinionated, and as such, cannot be stated as fact. Saying the Pokemon Anime sucks is completely untrue, as I, and many others enjoy it. Just because you don't, does not make it bad.

2:You double posted, and it is recommended you delete one.

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I've updated the Main Post. I need to figure out the new Ev Spreads I'm using from PO. Too lazy atm. Rate and whatever, thanks, g'night.

I have this game, so far its been great. I only have on badge so far, but I look foward to continuing my adventures, lol.