wraith89 Posted August 25, 2009 Posted August 25, 2009 (Wraith89 vs SuperSpecialAwesome) Shoddy Warstory "Scizor is the new Heracross." ~ Greencat Hmm, really? This warstory should show you how the underappreciated bug can do you good. I've been experimenting with Heracross quite a lot lately. It is an unexpected surprise for the most part. Rules: Evasion Clause, Extended Game, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause Pokemon: (In order of appearance) Wraith89 SuperSpecialAwesome v SuperSpecialAwesome sent out Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross). wraith89 sent out Mal Voisin (lvl 100 Weavile F). Mal Voisin is exerting its pressure! Mal Voisin used Fake Out. It's not very effective... Metagross lost 5% of its health. Metagross flinched! --- I decided to make my Weavile... pink. My other Weavile will be its original color for differentiation purposes. But now you know, Mal Voisin is pink =P > v wraith89: You there? SuperSpecialAwesome: yeah wraith89: Did I lag out? wraith89: X_X SuperSpecialAwesome: yep wraith89: Whoops Metagross used Bullet Punch. It's super effective! Mal Voisin lost 133% of its health. Mal Voisin hung on using its Focus Sash! Mal Voisin used Taunt. Metagross fell for the taunt! --- Cruds I mispredicted. I thought that Meta would Stealth Rock, but everyone just attacks nowadays instead. Oh well. v Metagross used Bullet Punch. It's super effective! Mal Voisin lost 144% of its health. wraith89's Mal Voisin fainted. --- Well you were a bad neighbor anyways >=( v wraith89 switched in Atalanta (lvl 100 Heracross F). SuperSpecialAwesome switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey F). Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack was raised. Atalanta's defence was raised. --- Ok... I don't know... but one thing is for sure. You NEVER switch Blissey into a Heracross... ever. v Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack was raised. Atalanta's defence was raised. Blissey used Ice Beam. A critical hit! Atalanta lost 25% of its health. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- Using bulk up while... that Blissey pummeled me with an Ice Beam... which critical'd me >.> v Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack was raised. Atalanta's defence was raised. Blissey used Toxic. Atalanta was badly poisoned! Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. Atalanta is hurt by poison! Atalanta lost 6% of its health. --- Once you Toxic Heracross, Guts activates and it becomes 1.5x stronger. People forgot that advantage Heracross had over Scizor... which is why people are reluctant to burn it. v Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack was raised. Atalanta's defence was raised. Blissey used Ice Beam. Atalanta lost 13% of its health. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. Atalanta is hurt by poison! Atalanta lost 12% of its health. --- Setting up Bulk Up while Ice Beam does diddly squat against my base 95 SpDef Heracross. Muhahahaha! v Atalanta used Rest. Atalanta fell asleep! Atalanta restored 38% of its health. Blissey used Ice Beam. Atalanta lost 13% of its health. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- Of course, I rest off to get rid of Toxic. Heh heh. v wraith89: Hint wraith89: Never Toxic a Heracross wraith89: It only gets stronger wraith89: Did I lag otu again? wraith89: out* SuperSpecialAwesome switched in Salamence (lvl 100 Salamence M). Salamence's intimidate cut Atalanta's attack! Atalanta is fast asleep! Atalanta used Sleep Talk. Atalanta used Rest. But it failed! Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- Gah! Curse Sleep Talk for picking Rest of all moves X_X v Salamence used Dragon Dance. Salamence's attack was raised. Salamence's speed was raised. Atalanta is fast asleep! Atalanta used Sleep Talk. Atalanta used Megahorn. Atalanta's attack missed! Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- Dragon Dance... had I switched it would have been horrible. But Megahorn... misses. That's what you get for being me >.< v Salamence used Dragon Dance. Salamence's attack was raised. Salamence's speed was raised. Atalanta woke up! Atalanta used Megahorn. It's not very effective... Salamence lost 75% of its health. --- If I were still sleeping, Megahorn would have KOd Salamence because Guts activates even when sleeping. v Salamence used Outrage. Salamence went on a rampage! Atalanta lost 47% of its health. Atalanta used Megahorn. It's not very effective... Salamence lost 84% of its health. SuperSpecialAwesome's Salamence fainted. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- + 2 Outrage fails to cut off even 50% of my HP. I love Bulk Up v SuperSpecialAwesome switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune). Suicune is exerting its pressure! Suicune used Hidden Power. Atalanta lost 18% of its health. Suicune lost 10% of its health. Atalanta used Rest. Atalanta fell asleep! Atalanta restored 59% of its health. --- LO Suicune can't do much to Heracross with mass Special Defense either! v Suicune used Calm Mind. Suicune's special attack was raised. Suicune's special defence was raised. Atalanta is fast asleep! Atalanta used Sleep Talk. Atalanta used Megahorn. A critical hit! Suicune lost 287% of its health. SuperSpecialAwesome's Suicune fainted. --- Hmmm, I pick Megahorn and crit... during sleep. That's really nice. It got the wise idea of Calm Minding. Thank goodness Megahorn hit before Suicune did funny stuff. v SuperSpecialAwesome switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross). Atalanta is fast asleep! Atalanta used Sleep Talk. Atalanta used Megahorn. Metagross lost 108% of its health. SuperSpecialAwesome's Metagross fainted. --- And Megahorn is selected again from sleep with Guts boost and Bulk Up. =P v SuperSpecialAwesome switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey F). Atalanta woke up! Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack was raised. Atalanta's defence was raised. Blissey used Ice Beam. Atalanta lost 13% of its health. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- Blissey of all things. Oh well. Set up time! v SuperSpecialAwesome: heracross is gay wraith89: =( wraith89: No it isn't wraith89: It's underappreciated SuperSpecialAwesome: it is ;_; wraith89: Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack was raised. Atalanta's defence was raised. Blissey used Ice Beam. Atalanta lost 14% of its health. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- I'm + 6 in both attack and defense. Time to Megahorn! v Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack was raised. Atalanta's defence won't go higher! Blissey used Ice Beam. Atalanta lost 14% of its health. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- Meh that was a misclick. Oh wait, in retrospect, that Intimidate cut off its attack before, so Bulk Up wasn't a bad choice after all. v Atalanta used Megahorn. Blissey lost 231% of its health. SuperSpecialAwesome's Blissey fainted. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- Ouch, that's gotta hurt. v SuperSpecialAwesome switched in Jolteon (lvl 100 Jolteon M). Jolteon used Thunderbolt. Atalanta lost 25% of its health. Atalanta used Rest. Atalanta fell asleep! Atalanta restored 41% of its health. --- Really? Even Jolteon only managed 25% on Hera. That's... awesome! v Jolteon used Thunderbolt. Atalanta lost 26% of its health. Atalanta is fast asleep! Atalanta used Sleep Talk. Atalanta used Rest. But it failed! Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- And Sleep Talk picking Rest again. GRRRRR. v Jolteon used Thunderbolt. Atalanta lost 27% of its health. Atalanta is fast asleep! Atalanta used Sleep Talk. Atalanta used Megahorn. Jolteon lost 299% of its health. SuperSpecialAwesome's Jolteon fainted. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- Guts + STAB Megahorn rocks! v SuperSpecialAwesome switched in Scizor (lvl 100 Scizor M). Scizor used Bullet Punch. Atalanta lost 17% of its health. Atalanta woke up! Atalanta used Rest. Atalanta fell asleep! Atalanta restored 58% of its health. --- Faceoff between the rivals. Muhahahaha! v SuperSpecialAwesome: screw it SuperSpecialAwesome: lol wraith89: wraith89: Come on wraith89: wraith89: Give it a chance to shine Scizor used Bullet Punch. Atalanta lost 16% of its health. Atalanta is fast asleep! Atalanta used Sleep Talk. Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack won't go higher! Atalanta's defence won't go higher! Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- And Sleep Talk picks Bulk Up >.< v Cr1mson has entered the room. wraith89: It's been overlooked because of Scizor there Scizor used Bullet Punch. Atalanta lost 17% of its health. Atalanta is fast asleep! Atalanta used Sleep Talk. Atalanta used Bulk Up. Atalanta's attack won't go higher! Atalanta's defence won't go higher! Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- And it picks Bulk Up again! v Scizor used Bullet Punch. Atalanta lost 15% of its health. Atalanta woke up! Atalanta used Megahorn. It's not very effective... Scizor lost 83% of its health. Atalanta's leftovers restored its health a little! Atalanta restored 6% of its health. --- 83%... hmmm. If it were Close Combat that would have KO'd >=P v Scizor used Bullet Punch. Atalanta lost 16% of its health. Atalanta used Megahorn. It's not very effective... Scizor lost 96% of its health. SuperSpecialAwesome's Scizor fainted. wraith89 wins! wraith89: gg SuperSpecialAwesome: gg SuperSpecialAwesome has left the room. wraith89: =) Yeah time to finish it off. FAQs 1) Now who uses a lame Heracross when you can get your uberw00tpwnage Scizor? You see... people are forgetting about Heracross ever since Bullet Punch was introduced to Scizor in Platinum. That STAB + Technician + Priority + 130 base attack (which can max out at 394) is definitely nothing to overlook. However that doesn't mean Heracross should be neglected. The two bugs actually play different roles. Sure they both sweep physically, but Heracross just hits hard trying to OHKO anything it can while absorbing status like burn and poison, while Scizor is your mid/late game clean up Pokemon which will pick off stuff with 20%-60% health with its Bullet Punch and all (depends on the opponent Pokes's typing of course). Not to mention Heracross has STAB Close Combat which can rip apart so many things in OU, and if Guts is in effect, prepare to lose stuff to it. Also, Heracross has its ways to deal with stuff like Gyarados and Salamence with Stone Edge. If that middling speed gets in the way, it can be the hit and run Choice Scarfer that can switch into stuff like Will-o-Wisp to absorb the burn and start pummeling stuff with its powerful attacks. Scizor hates burn a LOT and dies to a Flamethrower from something like... Blissey while Heracross can survive it with ease and hit back with Close Combat. Also, Scarf Heracross can revenge kill Scarf Heatran while Scizor has no way of destroying Heatran aside from hitting it with Superpower on the switch (in fact Heatran is one of Scizor's biggest fears). Sure, in this metagame, Scizor is much more preferred, but Heracross can fill in some holes that Scizor just can't deal with, not to mention how Flying moves are quite rare, which is Heracross's 4x weakness. In fact, this metagame has WAY TOO MANY SCIZORS that people bring stuff that counter Scizor, while Heracross is dealt with quite differently from its rival. Give this blue bug a chance if you want to, I'm sure it will not disappoint you. Just because it's forgotten doesn't mean it cannot still wreak havoc like it used to. Tyranitar is no less scared of Heracross than it used to be. And don't forget that Heracross is THE best user of Megahorn, which used to be its signature attack. 2) What is your Heracross's moveset? Okay, so I played Heracross differently from what you're supposed to play it as. Atalanta the Heracross@Leftovers Ability: Guts Careful Nature 252 HP/20 Attack/216 SpDef/20 Speed - Bulk Up - Megahorn - Rest - Sleep Talk Ok, so this is just a clone of Crocune and the likes, only on the physical side, which is quite helpful. So you get burned? Guts saves the day. Low on HP? Start Resting and Sleep Talking. I use Megahorn not only because it is STAB'd but because if I used Close Combat, it would not touch Ghosts at all and I'd lose defense everytime I use it, which doesn't help. 20 Speed hits 211 Speed, which outpaces stuff that sit on 210 which use that speed to outpace... those with 209. Yeah >.> This set is very unconventional though. Try something like Choice Band or Choice Scarf and use Guts and... switch into Toxic Spikes or something and start destroying stuff with Megahorn, Close Combat, Night Slash, Stone Edge, Pursuit, Earthquake, Facade, you name it. Most Heracross would go either Adamant or Jolly and max out its attack. 3) Still, isn't Scizor better? I suppose for this metagame it is, but it's only Bullet Punch and U-turn that makes it shine. But comparing Scizor and Heracross is like comparing Gyarados and Salamence. Yes both of them Dragon Dance and have Intimidate and destroy from the physical side but both play quite differently thanks to their different typing and movepools. You really cannot compare these two either. Thanks to: Heracross: For sweeping a whole team SuperSpecialAwesome: For that great match You: For reading Nay to: My Internet: For failing in the beginning My Prediction Skills: Failed in the beginning too My Earlygame Skills: I need to brush that up, seriously...
Toffeuy Posted August 25, 2009 Posted August 25, 2009 Lol, that was pretty cool... and of all the Sleep Talks you used, never one Close Combat... Weavile was just a bonus, didn't really need it. You could've won with just Heracross. But still, I still think Scizor's better... not cuz of fighting but looks
Enkidu Posted August 25, 2009 Posted August 25, 2009 You see... people are forgetting about Heracross ever since Bullet Punch was introduced to Scizor in Platinum. That STAB + Technician + Priority + 130 base attack (which can max out at 394) is definitely nothing to overlook. However that doesn't mean Heracross should be neglected. The two bugs actually play different roles. Sure they both sweep physically, but Heracross just hits hard trying to OHKO anything it can while absorbing status like burn and poison, while Scizor is your mid/late game clean up Pokemon which will pick off stuff with 20%-60% health with its Bullet Punch and all (depends on the opponent Pokes's typing of course). Not to mention Heracross has STAB Close Combat which can rip apart so many things in OU, and if Guts is in effect, prepare to lose stuff to it. Also, Heracross has its ways to deal with stuff like Gyarados and Salamence with Stone Edge. If that middling speed gets in the way, it can be the hit and run Choice Scarfer that can switch into stuff like Will-o-Wisp to absorb the burn and start pummeling stuff with its powerful attacks. Scizor hates burn a LOT and dies to a Flamethrower from something like... Blissey while Heracross can survive it with ease and hit back with Close Combat. Also, Scarf Heracross can revenge kill Scarf Heatran while Scizor has no way of destroying Heatran aside from hitting it with Superpower on the switch (in fact Heatran is one of Scizor's biggest fears). Sure, in this metagame, Scizor is much more preferred, but Heracross can fill in some holes that Scizor just can't deal with, not to mention how Flying moves are quite rare, which is Heracross's 4x weakness. In fact, this metagame has WAY TOO MANY SCIZORS that people bring stuff that counter Scizor, while Heracross is dealt with quite differently from its rival. Give this blue bug a chance if you want to, I'm sure it will not disappoint you. Just because it's forgotten doesn't mean it cannot still wreak havoc like it used to. Tyranitar is no less scared of Heracross than it used to be. And don't forget that Heracross is THE best user of Megahorn, which used to be its signature attack. Well actually..... Scizor ( although a great mid-late game sweeper ) is dated in that role. 1/3 of teams are packing magnezone with the soul purpose of trapping and killing skarmory and Scizor and the majority of teams are made with taking steel and dragon type attacks with ease because they are such a threat. His main role now (that started in Ubers ) is hes the best U-turn user in the game. He has decent defense and special defense, great attack STAB on U-turn and attracts very specific pokemon to take hits. Always controlling the tempo but at the same time Scizor also serves as a very powerful priority user, Trapper and Stat up pokemon. Essentially he is very diverse and can be used to do alot of things easily, even with one moveset. Making him a threat to be sure. ( how many people now pack random fire attacks on pokemon just to kill scizor? ) Heracross's role is a little different, with sleep talk and Guts he makes an amazing status absorber, even with a choice scarf as three moves give him great coverage and guts boosts his attack in sleep. However hes like scizor in that regard too, many uses and can do a lot with one moveset, but unlike scizor he does not get U-turn and is much more prone to faulty switches , being trapped by dugtrio or raped by Air slash/bravebird/Drill peck. However his Dual 120 BP STAB attacks are powerful and rip through almost anything, with the exception of salamence and gyarados who give you -1 and can take all of your attacks bar stone edge with little trouble. This spells doom for some teams who cant counter mence/dos and have their CS heracross stuck on the wrong move et cetera. Anyway I'm done for now haha. Good night.
wraith89 Posted August 25, 2009 Author Posted August 25, 2009 Well actually..... Scizor ( although a great mid-late game sweeper ) is dated in that role. 1/3 of teams are packing magnezone with the soul purpose of trapping and killing skarmory and Scizor and the majority of teams are made with taking steel and dragon type attacks with ease because they are such a threat. His main role now (that started in Ubers ) is hes the best U-turn user in the game. He has decent defense and special defense, great attack STAB on U-turn and attracts very specific pokemon to take hits. Always controlling the tempo but at the same time Scizor also serves as a very powerful priority user, Trapper and Stat up pokemon. Essentially he is very diverse and can be used to do alot of things easily, even with one moveset. Making him a threat to be sure. ( how many people now pack random fire attacks on pokemon just to kill scizor? )Heracross's role is a little different, with sleep talk and Guts he makes an amazing status absorber, even with a choice scarf as three moves give him great coverage and guts boosts his attack in sleep. However hes like scizor in that regard too, many uses and can do a lot with one moveset, but unlike scizor he does not get U-turn and is much more prone to faulty switches , being trapped by dugtrio or raped by Air slash/bravebird/Drill peck. However his Dual 120 BP STAB attacks are powerful and rip through almost anything, with the exception of salamence and gyarados who give you -1 and can take all of your attacks bar stone edge with little trouble. This spells doom for some teams who cant counter mence/dos and have their CS heracross stuck on the wrong move et cetera. Anyway I'm done for now haha. Good night. Doh! I forgot about U-turn... although, most Magnezones are scarfed and Dugtrios are VERY rare nowadays (not that it isn't a threat mind you). And Scizor doesn't exactly like Gyarados or Salamence either (mostly the former and the latter can survive its attacks and hit with a fire move). Also Banded Scizor locked into something like Bullet Punch can't U-turn out either =P And yeah, there are SO many Pokemon carrying random HP Fire (even Blissey carries Flamethrower) just because of Scizor. Aerial Ace/Air Slash/Brave Bird are rare moves actually (not saying they're not seen at all because of course Skarmory carries Brave Bird and Togekiss carries Air Slash, but Flying moves are not as common as Fire moves). I agree, Scizor is one of the biggest main threats in this metagame (they're omnipresent in fact and everyone fears it). His usage skyrocketed as soon as Bullet Punch was introduced though. I'm not saying one is better than the other or anything. Just saying that both shouldn't be compared in such a manner and each has some qualities that the other doesn't. I suppose in this metagame Scizor has more uses, but it shouldn't mean Heracross should be wiped out of existence. BTW my set can easily survive a banded Dugtrio's Aerial Ace after one Bulk Up and OHKO back with Megahorn (hopefully it won't miss... and ignore critical hits that just always gang up on me >.>)
crimson assassin Posted April 27, 2010 Posted April 27, 2010 ummm ok one good battle 1, you got really lucky in the fact that your opponent didn't have fire blast or flamethrower on mence 2. dugtrio can ohko you with choice banded aerial ace even after 1 bulk up so what do you mean it isn't a threat you have no idea what you just said there 3. this was really all based on luck your opponents team had no synergy and if they were thinking they would of just attacked with metagross. props for pulling this off but the very little skill was involved
wraith89 Posted April 27, 2010 Author Posted April 27, 2010 ummm ok one good battle1, you got really lucky in the fact that your opponent didn't have fire blast or flamethrower on mence 2. dugtrio can ohko you with choice banded aerial ace even after 1 bulk up so what do you mean it isn't a threat you have no idea what you just said there 3. this was really all based on luck your opponents team had no synergy and if they were thinking they would of just attacked with metagross. props for pulling this off but the very little skill was involved 1. Neither Fire Blast nor Flamethrower from Salamence will OHKO this Heracross variant without Choice Specs. Besides, your "standard" Salamence usually packs 24 SpA EVs to 2HKO Skarmory with Fire Blast (note standard variants usually run max HP). So how in the world would it beat Heracross (80 HP/95 SpDef... this one being Careful Nature with 252 HP/216 SpDef)? If it burns Heracross it's all the better for raising its attack. Here... standard Salamence with Life Orb does 52.7% - 62.1% with Fire Blast to this Heracross variant. Now consider the LO recoil of 10% and the damage Stealth Rocks can do... yeah I know I did not have SR set up but it still took 75% from + 3 Megahorn, which isn't all that bad. LO with Flamethrower would do 41.2% - 48.9%, which isn't even going to 2HKO at all without Stealth Rocks and even with SR it is not guaranteed. 2. Um, no. Have you actually done calculations? That aside Dugtrio is really weak. If it's a critical hit... then fine. Yes it would OHKO then. Otherwise, it isn't going to happen and is probably 2HKOing or something. 3. I don't see what you mean by luck based. It's true a Skarmory would ruin this and Blissey switch in against Heracross is a bad idea anyhow but if you don't like how it's been done then don't comment.
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted April 30, 2010 Posted April 30, 2010 For one thing, Blaziken is one of the best pokemon to battle against Heracross because of its ability to use Brave Bird + Overheat. These two moves will OHKO Heracross problely in two turns. Plus its Ability Blaze which boosts Overheat. You can also equip it with Quick Claw and if it strikes first with Overheat your Heracross will be OHKO Instantly whether you use Bulk Up or not. Secondly you can do as much damage with a Poison type pokemon because Megahorn nor Close Combat will be super effective, but instead it would be not very effective. I personally would perfer using Seviper because of its signature move Poison Tail combine with Glare will be a great combination. Nevertheless Heracross is a great pokemon to use, but some people are actually going back to using old pokemon that are now rarely seen in battles. Plus a lot of people say that Infernape is better than Blaziken, but Blaziken is way better because even though Blaziken is a Fire/Fighting type pokemon, it can use a Flying type move Brave Bird which is super effective against a Fire/Fighting type pokemon as Infernape. I really don't care about whose a better type, but what I really care about is their move set and their capabilities of using that move set.
wraith89 Posted April 30, 2010 Author Posted April 30, 2010 (edited) For one thing, Blaziken is one of the best pokemon to battle against Heracross because of its ability to use Brave Bird + Overheat. These two moves will OHKO Heracross problely in two turns. Plus its Ability Blaze which boosts Overheat. You can also equip it with Quick Claw and if it strikes first with Overheat your Heracross will be OHKO Instantly whether you use Bulk Up or not.Secondly you can do as much damage with a Poison type pokemon because Megahorn nor Close Combat will be super effective, but instead it would be not very effective. I personally would perfer using Seviper because of its signature move Poison Tail combine with Glare will be a great combination. Nevertheless Heracross is a great pokemon to use, but some people are actually going back to using old pokemon that are now rarely seen in battles. Plus a lot of people say that Infernape is better than Blaziken, but Blaziken is way better because even though Blaziken is a Fire/Fighting type pokemon, it can use a Flying type move Brave Bird which is super effective against a Fire/Fighting type pokemon as Infernape. I really don't care about whose a better type, but what I really care about is their move set and their capabilities of using that move set. 1) Hera is faster than Blaziken and quickly put an end to the chicken with a single Earthquake... although to be fair Earthquake is rarely used. A Banded Close Combat would OHKO it too, so that's a lost cause. If Blaziken was Scarfed and had a fire move it would destroy Hera, but then again most Heras as Scarfed too... and being locked into Superpower would be a big no no. But that's not to say Hera can directly switch into Blaziken... as Fire moves or Brave Bird would spell doom to Heracross. But neither should Blaziken be used to reliably destroy Hera... but it does not. 2) Hera has other moves to deal with poisons, like Earthquake, although it is rarely used. That being said, you can't get Heracross to beat EVERYTHING (Nidoqueen is one of its greatest counters)... but it is still dangerous nonetheless. 3) Better is as in usefulness. I hate Infernape to the guts and I like Blaziken, but Infernape is actually more useful thanks to that speed and better movepool. For example we know that a Meganium could destroy Swampert easily one on one, but who is better overall for walling and utility? Just because one can beat another doesn't mean it is better... in RBY Geodude can easily destroy Zapdos, but does that mean Geodude is better? Edited April 30, 2010 by wraith89
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted May 1, 2010 Posted May 1, 2010 Yes thats true that Heracross can learn Earthquake and it is super effect against Blaziken, but what about the following Blaziken. Blaziken @ Leftovers Blaze @ Relaxed Lv: 100 Ev: 8 Hp/192 Atk/252 Spd Iv: 31 Def/16 S.Def - Brave Bird - Roost - Bulk Up - Agility
wraith89 Posted May 1, 2010 Author Posted May 1, 2010 Er... Relaxed reduces speed... and this Blaziken is completely overspecialized for beating up Heracross/Breloom or something. But even the, that speed isn't going to help and Heracross could probably hurt a lot with a Banded Close Combat anyhow, if not OHKOing (banded Close Combat already does 91% to a max HP Scizor, who has superior defenses than Blaziken). Why in the world would you want to do that? To be honest ANYTHING can overspecialize themselves to take down one Pokemon... (for example, Gengar with Choice Band and Adamant 252 Atk with Sucker Punch to beat Alakazam), but that leaves them not so great against anything else. Blaziken, who would be normally be able to take Skarmory no problem, is going to have a whole load of trouble against it now, who can just phaze all your boosts away or simply destroy Blaziken with its OWN Brave Bird.
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted May 1, 2010 Posted May 1, 2010 Yes thats true, but depending on the battle, move set and stragety Heracross can be easily defeated. Plus Close Combat is Fighting type move and isn't very effective against a Fire/Fighting type pokemon such as Blaziken. In order to truely see who can win between your Heracross Team and my Blaziken Team, you should do a two on two simulation like what you did on this thread. My team consist of the following: Blaziken @ Leftovers Blaze @ Relaxed Lv: 100 - Brave Bird - Roost - Agility - Bulk Up Rhyperior @ Life Orb Lightningrod @ Lax Lv: 100 - Hammer Arm - Rock Wrecker - Earthquake - Rock Polish
wraith89 Posted May 1, 2010 Author Posted May 1, 2010 Erm... Fighting is NEUTRAL on Fire/Fighting. And I don't care about one on one battles. If it's stuff like Gyarados vs Heracross, it is obvious who should win (Gyarados). My point of this battle is to prove that Heracross isn't a useless blue bug like everyone thinks it is. But if you want me to show you that Hera can indeed destroy Blaziken on a one on one, I'd gladly take part on that. I don't get what your point is...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted May 1, 2010 Posted May 1, 2010 Sorry lol, but I really don't think Heracross is useless. Infact I actually love Heracross ever since I seen him with Ash and Bulbasaur. Trust me Heracross is not useless at all.
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