wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) So people, have you ever wanted to create your own Pokemon? Yeah, lame and all, I know. So I got a PM from Pokemonfan saying in a nutshell "hey, we should create something like Smogon's Create-A-Pokemon". Eh... no, not Smogony, but why not create our own Pokemon just for fun? So the rules are simple... we create a Pokemon, and then once a Pokemon's been created, members will give feedback to the Pokemon regarding its balance and personal opinions and whatnot. Idea of this thread is accredited to pokemonfan. So what is the format? Sprite (put only if you made one) Pokemon Name Pokemon Classification Type Gender Distribution Abilities (and its description too if it is custom) Held item (if any) Egg Group Height Weight Pokedex Data Base Stats TMs Move Tutor moves Hereditary Moves If there are any evolutions, denote that by using the arrows. Okay... I think I'll start. And make sure you SPOILERIZE ([noparse] [/noparse]) your Pokemon. No sprites ATM Cirrain --evo @ lvl 26--> Stormbus Cloud Pokemon ---> Storm Pokemon Water/Flying ---> Water/Flying 50% Male/50% Female Ability: White Mist: All Pokemon on field will have all stats reset (basically an auto haze only when the Pokemon is sent out, like Intimidate's duration) Held item: Mystic Water Egg Group: Indeterminate/Water 1 Height: 2'11" --> 5'9" Weight: 0.5 lbs ---> 11.0 lbs Pokedex Data: Cirrain: CIRRAIN bursts sprinkles of raindrops as it is blown by a gust of wind. Stormbus: When two STORMBUS collide, lightning bolts drop from the sky. -Base Stats- HP: 58 --> 90 ATK: 53 ---> 63 DEF: 44 ---> 68 SpA: 67 ---> 85 SpD: 55 ---> 73 SPE: 48 ---> 71 -Movelist- - Tackle - Ominous Wind (Stormbus Heart Scale move) - Silver Wind (Stormbus Heart Scale move) - Weather Ball (Stormbus Heart Scale move) lvl 2 Astonish lvl 6 Supersonic lvl 11 Gust lvl 14 Powder Snow lvl 14 Water Gun lvl 17 Stockpile lvl 21 Swallow lvl 24 Rain Dance lvl 24 Sunny Day lvl 24 Hail lvl 24 Sandstorm lvl 26 Bubblebeam lvl 26 Thunderbolt (as Stormbus) lvl 28/31 Air Slash lvl 31/35 Haze lvl 31/35 Mist lvl 34/38 Icy Wind lvl 39/45 Safeguard lvl 39/45 Reflect lvl 39/45 Light Screen lvl 43/51 Recover lvl 56 Thunder (as Stormbus) lvl 49 Hydro Pump (as Cirrain) lvl 49/56 Blizzard lvl 53/62 Agility -Learnable TMs/HMs- TM03 Water Pulse TM04 Calm Mind TM06 Toxic TM07 Hail TM10 Hidden Power TM11 Sunny Day TM13 Ice Beam TM14 Blizzard TM15 Hyper Beam (Stormbus only) TM16 Light Screen TM17 Protect TM18 Rain Dance TM20 Safeguard TM21 Frustration TM22 Solarbeam TM24 Thunderbolt (Stormbus only) TM25 Thunder (Stormbus only) TM26 Earthquake (Stormbus only) TM30 Shadow Ball TM32 Double Team TM33 Reflect TM34 Shock Wave TM37 Sandstorm TM40 Aerial Ace TM42 Facade TM43 Secret Power TM44 Rest TM45 Attract TM46 Thief TM52 Focus Blast TM53 Energy Ball TM55 Brine TM57 Charge Beam TM58 Endure TM61 Will-o-Wisp TM62 Silver Wind TM64 Explosion TM68 Giga Impact (Stormbus only) TM70 Flash TM72 Avalanche TM73 Thunder Wave TM77 Psych Up TM78 Captivate TM79 Dark Pulse TM82 Sleep Talk TM83 Natural Gift TM86 Grass Knot TM87 Swagger TM89 U-Turn TM90 Substitute HM02 Fly HM03 Surf HM05 Defog - Move Tutor - Mud Slap Ominous Wind Snore Spite Air Cutter Helping Hand Endeavor Ancientpower (Stormbus only) Signal Beam Earth Power (Stormbus only) Twister Swift Uproar - Hereditary Moves- Confuse Ray Charge Air Cutter Discharge Confusion Sing Perish Song Whirlpool Whirlwind - Reasons to use in battle- - Auto-haze effect (great response to 6 DD'd mence or 6 CM'd cune ) - Diverse movepool - Reasons NOT to use in battle- - Low stats - Stealth Rock weakness - 4x weakness to Electric moves This Pokemon needs some balancing :-/ Edited July 3, 2009 by wraith89
sparkdreamer Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 This guide is pretty useful for making your own Pokemon.
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 I see. Hey spark, do you have any commentaries on that Pokemon I made? I've ALWAYS wanted something with auto-haze, but to offset its usage, I'd have to make its stats fairly low.
sparkdreamer Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 I see. Hey spark, do you have any commentaries on that Pokemon I made? I've ALWAYS wanted something with auto-haze, but to offset its usage, I'd have to make its stats fairly low. I think its stats can be lowered some more. Its main use is basically the auto-haze, right? It also looks like it learns too many moves naturally, and there are quite a few levels where it learns two or more moves at once. Nitpicky stuff: The level-up movepool usually has some sort of pattern to it. Some TMs and tutor moves should probably be dropped, like Earthquake and Dive. I'm probably missing some more important stuff, so I'll come back to this later.
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 Yes, the stats should be lowered. BST of 500 is WAY too big. I've already noticed that but forgot to fix it. And Dive, I can surely drop, but Earthquake is somewhat logical... BTW the two or more moves at one level was intentional.
pokemonfan Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) Good link sparkdreamer... Also...I think you forgot just one thing wraith...egg groups...please add egg groups as well to your post. My idea... Sprite: pic coming soon maichu Pokemon Name: Michu <--------- Mikachu -------^>mikomo Pokemon Classification: Aura Mouse pokemon (yeah, lucario fan that's me) Type: Fighting and psychic Gender Distribution: 100% female Abilities: Power within (boosts the power by 1.5% of fighting moves)/kinetic might (boosts psychic moves by 1.5%) Held item: muscle band Egg groups: Fairy and field Height: 1' 4'' Weight: 13.2 lbs Pokedex Data: -mikachu: MIKACHU uses the aura to sense its foes movements and feelings. It then counters with great power. -michu: extremely speedy and is known to be one of the fastest land animals. It uses its great speed to out maneuver its opponents. -Maichu: With great psychic power it can communicate telepathically and sense movements of people with the aura. When its home is threatened by construction it has been known to lift whole buildings, people, and construction vehicles into the air. -mikomo: it is slow and defensive but it strikes with great physical power. It has been known to crush bones with a body slam. Base Stats: Michu <---Mikachu ---> Maichu ---> mikomo (not 4th evo its an alternate evo) 90 <---HP: 80---------------> 90 ---> 90 90 <---Attack: 80 ----------> 70 --->130 60 <---Defense: 80 ----------> 85 ---> 100 40 <---Special attack: 80 ---> 130 ---> 70 50 <---Special defense: 80 ---> 90 ---> 85 160 <---Speed: 90 -----------> 80 ---> 60 Level up moves -force palm -fury swipes -quick attack -tackle lvl 5 confusion lvl 8 feint lvl 9 defense curl lvl 15 psywave lvl 23 psybeam lvl 30 rollout lvl 32 swords dance lvl 38 brick break lvl 45 reversal lvl 47 close combat lvl 48 psychic lvl 49 extreme speed lvl 50 aura sphere TMs and HMs :No.1-Focus Punch :No.3-Water Pulse :No.4-Calm Mind :No.5-Roar :No.6-Toxic :No.8-Bulk up :No.10-Hidden Power :No.12-Taunt :No.15-Hyper Beam :No.16-Light Screen :No.17-Protect :No.20-Safeguard :No.21-Frustration :No.23-Iron Tail :No.24-Thunderbolt :No.25-Thunder :No.27-Return :No.28-Dig :No.29-Psychic :No.30-Shadow Ball :No.31-Brick Break :No.32-Double Team :No.33-Reflect :No.41-Torment :No.42-Facade :No.43-Secret Power :No.44-Rest :No.45-Attract :No.46-Thief :No.48-Skill Swap :No.49-Snatch :No.52-Focus Blast :No.54-False Swipe :No.56-Fling :No.58-Endure :No.60-Drain Punch :No.63-Embargo :No.64-Explosion :No.65-Shadow Claw :No.66-Pay Back :No.67-Recycle :NO.68-Giga Impact :No.70-Flash :No.71-Stone Edge :No.73-Thunder Wave :No.74-Gyro Ball :No.75-swords dance :No.76-Stealth Rock :No.77-Psych Up :No.78-Captivate :No.81-X-Scissor :No.82-Sleep Talk :No.83-Natural Gift :No.85-Dream Eater :No.87-Swagger :No.90-Substitute :No.92-Trick Room HMs rock smash cut Move Tutor moves fire punch ice punch thunder punch sucker punch zen head butt aqua tail endeavor super power rollout Hereditary Moves wish reversal bide thunder punch sweet kiss charm other moves coming soon along with other pokemon in evo line Edit: @wraith89 your pokemon kind of sounds like an awesome castform I kind of want one of those of course mine sounds like pikachu and lucario except without pikachu's evilness. Edit: Added base stats Also I think instead of just including the evos and pre-evos slighter things I'll just make a whole new one for michu, maichu, and mikomo Edit: All the things should be there now...still have yet to add the pre evo's complete data along with various evos Edited July 3, 2009 by pokemonfan
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 I already added Egg groups... And your Pokemon... is a blatant Pikachu + Lucario combo? o_O
sparkdreamer Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Yes, the stats should be lowered. BST of 500 is WAY too big. I've already noticed that but forgot to fix it.And Dive, I can surely drop, but Earthquake is somewhat logical... BTW the two or more moves at one level was intentional. From what I can tell, Stormbus has a very diverse movepool and the ability to take advantage of any weather. I'm pretty sure that was the intention, but firing off Hydro Pump, Thunder, Shadow Ball, Energy Ball, Dark Pulse, etc. under the rain with a decent Special Attack AND removing the opposition's stat-ups seems too good. Earthquake is okay, I guess, because it's Attack isn't so great. I know it was intentional, but there are too many [noparse][/noparse]
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 From what I can tell, Stormbus has a very diverse movepool and the ability to take advantage of any weather. I'm pretty sure that was the intention, but firing off Hydro Pump, Thunder, Shadow Ball, Energy Ball, Dark Pulse, etc. under the rain with a decent Special Attack AND removing the opposition's stat-ups seems too good.Earthquake is okay, I guess, because it's Attack isn't so great. I know it was intentional, but there are too many [noparse][/noparse] I modified the base stats. Now there's a reason why NOT to use Stormbus
pokemonfan Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 I already added Egg groups... oops missed that...hehe..anyways that means I have to add that to mikachu! Doesn't cirrain learn haze seem redundant and unnecessary? Also air cutter like twice and ominous wind twice as well? I can see that this pokemon might make a good lead for the element users being that it can know all the weather moves...plus light screen, reflect, and explosion. So if it held like a damp rock or something and went in as a rain lead then tried to set up reflect/screen if foe wasn't to much of a threat it could work like that. Or a counter for all those stat boosters. Perhaps negate the ninjask baton passers. Or lucario with swords dance. I dont really know but I bet lots of pokemon depend on stat boosters. Just to remember a certain warstory it could stop the calm minder cresselia.
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 oops missed that...hehe..anyways that means I have to add that to mikachu!Doesn't cirrain learn haze seem redundant and unnecessary? Also air cutter like twice and ominous wind twice as well? I can see that this pokemon might make a good lead for the element users being that it can know all the weather moves...plus light screen, reflect, and explosion. So if it held like a damp rock or something and went in as a rain lead then tried to set up reflect/screen if foe wasn't to much of a threat it could work like that. Or a counter for all those stat boosters. Perhaps negate the ninjask baton passers. Or lucario with swords dance. I dont really know but I bet lots of pokemon depend on stat boosters. Just to remember a certain warstory it could stop the calm minder cresselia. Tyranitar has Sand Stream but that doesn't stop it from learning Sandstorm naturally. And it isn't really unnecessary. While it isn't worth a moveslot, it can stop someone from setting up again, hence being very annoying. But of course, phazers do their job for the most part... Some Pokemon have that kind of situations. It's not uncommon, really. It's a great response to anything that you let set up... but if they set up again, it's no fun.
sparkdreamer Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 It's a great response to anything that you let set up... but if they set up again, it's no fun. Stormbus looks like it could be a decent sweeper, so that shouldn't be much of a problem.
pokemonfan Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Tyranitar has Sand Stream but that doesn't stop it from learning Sandstorm naturally. And it isn't really unnecessary. While it isn't worth a moveslot, it can stop someone from setting up again, hence being very annoying. But of course, phazers do their job for the most part...Some Pokemon have that kind of situations. It's not uncommon, really. It's a great response to anything that you let set up... but if they set up again, it's no fun. It is yet an interesting pokemon..I added the base stats to mikachu so is there any comment now towards her? The reason its 100% female is that there is a male counterpart species. I have my own little pokemon world... Edit: @at sparksdreamer or an element lead being that it learns all 4 element moves and explosion plus the barriers.
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 HP: 90 ATK: 63 DEF: 68 SpA: 85 SpD: 73 SPE: 71 Not with these stats :-/ Although if there was a way to boost its speed... and that ability would ruin Baton Pass for Stormbus A great idea suddenly became a stupid idea >_< And PF, I don't know yet. You haven't filled in its complete data, so...
pokemonfan Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 HP: 90ATK: 63 DEF: 68 SpA: 85 SpD: 73 SPE: 71 Not with these stats :-/ Although if there was a way to boost its speed... and that ability would ruin Baton Pass for Stormbus A great idea suddenly became a stupid idea >_< And PF, I don't know yet. You haven't filled in its complete data, so... It can still be a good counter for phazers.
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 It can still be a good counter for phazers. Phazers (Pseudo-hazers): Stuff that use Roar/Whirlwind to force opponents to flee. Wrong word PF. I think you mean things that set up :-/
sparkdreamer Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 HP: 90ATK: 63 DEF: 68 SpA: 85 SpD: 73 SPE: 71 Not with these stats :-/ Although if there was a way to boost its speed... and that ability would ruin Baton Pass for Stormbus A great idea suddenly became a stupid idea >_< And PF, I don't know yet. You haven't filled in its complete data, so... Stormbus could use Choice Specs or it could use Rain Dance and Hydro Pump and Thunder for sweeping related fun. 71 Base speed isn't too bad. Obviously it's not going to be able to sweep 6-0, but for taking down set-up sweeper, it would be useful. @Pokemonfan You should have the base stats for all the Pokemon in the evolutionary line and the moves learned at each level for each one. Also, you should try to space the moves more evenly (five moves in six levels at the end isn't normal)
pokemonfan Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Phazers (Pseudo-hazers): Stuff that use Roar/Whirlwind to force opponents to flee.Wrong word PF. I think you mean things that set up :-/ Yeah I knew I would do something like that but of course...I didn't know how or when or...oh well me and my competitive battling skills. I really need to look at smogon's dictionary. Anyways I added all the moves to mikachu so is there any comment now? Also why is its best stat HP? Edit: @sparkdreamer... it doesn't have to be normal..uniqueness FTW I know for all pokemon in the evo line I was just thinking about making separate ones for each member. I guess I should go add the stats for all of them. *goes to edit post*
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 Stormbus could use Choice Specs or it could use Rain Dance and Hydro Pump and Thunder for sweeping related fun. 71 Base speed isn't too bad.Obviously it's not going to be able to sweep 6-0, but for taking down set-up sweeper, it would be useful. @Pokemonfan You should have the base stats for all the Pokemon in the evolutionary line and the moves learned at each level for each one. Also, you should try to space the moves more evenly (five moves in six levels at the end isn't normal) Added Agility as one of its moves. Would that be too imbalanced? It can already Calm Mind btw. Best stat is HP because it's a big puffy cloud (like Wailord, a big floaty whale). It seems to fit... I made it base 100 before, but I decided that'd be too much, unless that's fine in your opinion... High HP but low defenses tend to be their stat distribution... @ PF: you have WAYYYY too many moves. Not even Lucario has THAT much of a movepool. I'd get rid of stuff like Ice Beam and Overheat and stuff like that. There is NO way that thing learns ALL of that. Roost? It's not even a bird!! Also base stats look way too strong o_O There's something called balance...
sparkdreamer Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Added Agility as one of its moves. Would that be too imbalanced? It can already Calm Mind btw.Best stat is HP because it's a big puffy cloud (like Wailord, a big floaty whale). It seems to fit... I made it base 100 before, but I decided that'd be too much, unless that's fine in your opinion... High HP but low defenses tend to be their stat distribution... @ PF: you have WAYYYY too many moves. Not even Lucario has THAT much of a movepool. I'd get rid of stuff like Ice Beam and Overheat and stuff like that. There is NO way that thing learns ALL of that. Also base stats look way too strong o_O There's something called balance... ...that your madeup Pokemon is lacking, Wraith [noparse][/noparse] I don't think Agility or even Calm Mind is a good idea because Stormbus isn't made to be a sweeper. Remember that an auto-haze ability is pretty game-breaking, since your opponent has no way to stop you from switching Stormbus in. @ Pokemonfan: Nice copy and paste of the TM list [noparse][/noparse] Glad to see that it can't learn HMs.
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 ...that your madeup Pokemon is lacking, Wraith [noparse][/noparse]I don't think Agility or even Calm Mind is a good idea because Stormbus isn't made to be a sweeper. Remember that an auto-haze ability is pretty game-breaking, since your opponent has no way to stop you from switching Stormbus in. @ Pokemonfan: Nice copy and paste of the TM list [noparse][/noparse] Glad to see that it can't learn HMs. Calm Mind is okay actually. I can see it running it. But Agility is the big factor. Auto-haze is a REALLY big game-breaking ability, but I was hoping that low stat would offset it all. Priority moves destroy it Agility isn't a good idea I guess -__- Then suggest something X_X
pokemonfan Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 @ Pokemonfan: Nice copy and paste of the TM list [noparse][/noparse] Glad to see that it can't learn HMs. That's exactly what I did...now that I think about it I better go delete some of those TMs/HMs...I didn't really want to do those so I just copied and pasted a list. I added base stats for all evos and pre-evo. For your info I love an over powered aura mouse.
wraith89 Posted July 3, 2009 Author Posted July 3, 2009 That's exactly what I did...now that I think about it I better go delete some of those TMs/HMs...I didn't really want to do those so I just copied and pasted a list. I added base stats for all evos and pre-evo.For your info I love an over powered aura mouse. OP means it would get banned straight into ubers... want that? o_O If a Pokemon wants to be playable, it wants to be balanced. Unless you were creating an uber Pokemon of course, but that in no way can be uber. It evolves and all and doesn't seem to have a legendary folklore X_X
sparkdreamer Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 Calm Mind is okay actually. I can see it running it. But Agility is the big factor. Auto-haze is a REALLY big game-breaking ability, but I was hoping that low stat would offset it all. Priority moves destroy it Agility isn't a good idea I guess -__- Then suggest something X_X Hmm...several suggestions: 1) Decrease its movepool. 2) Give a harmful side effect to the ability. 3) Lower the stats even more. 4) Lollipops? 5) Make it so only the pre-evolution has White Mist. @Pokemonfan: Good idea. I'm pretty sure we all have overpowered rodents, but balance is better, right? [noparse][/noparse] @Wraith (again) Garchomp and Wobbuffet.
pokemonfan Posted July 3, 2009 Posted July 3, 2009 OP means it would get banned straight into ubers... want that? o_OIf a Pokemon wants to be playable, it wants to be balanced. Unless you were creating an uber Pokemon of course, but that in no way can be uber. It evolves and all and doesn't seem to have a legendary folklore X_X So then if it cant be a uber then what in the world is you point? By balanced what exactly are you suggesting? I mean I compared maichu's special attack stat with that of mewtwo's. That was a wrong move wasn't it. Any stat suggestions? Edit: I just realized when I copied and pasted the TMs I thought HMs were in it too..now it can learn HMs and less TMs.
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