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LEGOanimal22

If there was a Grass type spinner I'd certainly oblige, but we can do that.

September 16, 2013

Gen VI metagame speculation

wraith89 replied to Tbird's topic in Competitive Battling Discussion

Ew. Smogon's CAP monsters are broken. Syclant on its debut was quite broken, but they nerfed him, and yes it did show a "good Ice" could be done. They're just... they're too designed to be competitive that stuff like Krillowatt ended up with Draco Meteor for no reason. But yes, if Ice types were all designed to be that offensive (hello Weavile), then they'd be good. If Weavile had better STAB options, then it would truly be a monster: I guess they gave it low BP moves to "balance it out" (yeah right Electivire). But Ice does need resistances, not because of the typing itself, but because there are PLENTY OF ICE who are DESIGNED as defensive Pokemon, but cannot function as one due to it being weak to more stuff than resisting them. These Pokemon (such as Articuno) remain a relic in the past, and it's like Gamefreak doesn't do anything about it just because either they're hopeless (well you can still expand its movepool Gamefreak) or actually try to give them an actual great DW ability, like double defence ability or something, and it would be great. Unfortunately, for most Ice Pokemon to be usable, they need to be Regice's Defences and SpA and Lapras's movepool with Weavile's speed. It's actually that bad. The new Rock/Ice fossil needs like 200 base Defence to survive a Bullet Punch off Scizor... which is bad. Call me crazy, but I think Gamefreak just wrote Ice types off the metagame, especially with the inclusion of Fairies. I just think there needs to be a Mega | Non-Mega separate metagame. Period. Are they seriously promoting MMX using GIGA IMPACT of all moves? Really Gamefreak?

September 15, 2013
131 replies

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

This is why CAP Pokemon are broken, right?

And this is why we shouldn't use Hyper Beam clones. I should have done a lot more hacking than what I did though... eh.

September 15, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

Just a random? I don't like random, but okay.

September 15, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

Tiers in that case is too arbitrary, subjective to one's opinions and whatnot. It's a little difficult, really. And honestly, it's too early to tell what's useful and what isn't at this point. <img src="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/unsure.png" alt=":/" srcset="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/unsure@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20" />

September 15, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

Too early to tell what its prowess is. However, it is the only Pokemon I know so far that resists Fairy + Ghost combination.

September 15, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

Shell Smash + Wonderguard Spiritomb?

... okay that's broken.

You're lucky that guy used a stupid Incinerate Mold Breaker Haxorus (otherwise you'd die). Also, no need for Agility + Shell Smash: it's redundant.

And Blast Burn? There are better moves... but of all moves, Blast Burn?

September 15, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

Hmm. I see. You can always Sub/Seed/Protect/Blizzard then. Though Blizzard's 5-8 PP run out too quickly.

September 14, 2013

Gen VI metagame speculation

wraith89 replied to Tbird's topic in Competitive Battling Discussion

I've already mentioned the problems with Ice types: yes, Gamefreak loves giving them the movepool of a Tyrogue and call them "complete". Dark / Ice is a phenomenal attack typing, btw, but Weavile's problem is the lack of STAB that goes above 75, making his 120 Attack nothing stellar. But Ice typing also has that lack of resistance problem: resisting itself while having 4 arguably very common weaknesses really hamper their potential, and any buff, even a 50% Defence buff in Hail or something, would help. Even an Ice version of Swift Swim/Chlorophyll would have helped (they even made Sand Rush for Sand teams), but no... they will have none of that. I just don't get Gamefreak's idea of Ice Pokemon: it's ridiculous, and most of the Pokemon with usable stats like Cryogonal are very lopsided or only can run their STAB move without resorting to stupid things like Night Slash off a 50 Atk or Solarbeam. Let's take this whole one resistance thing with the fact MANY of them were designed defensively. Only ones that see many use are things with decent Attack and Speed stats like Weavile... and Mamoswine now has a resistance to Ice thanks to Thick Fat and neutral to Fire: the Ground typing along with Ice gives it dual weather immunity, nearly flawless STABs, along with a great movepool. If it didn't have any of those (asides from Thick Fat since it managed without it), then it wouldn't be used as much. Now let's look at.. you know, things like Articuno, which despite its legendary status, has a usable movepool on par with Tynamo's, and is quite predictable, and even with those defensive stats, that lack of resistance (and the resistance Ice provided is negated by its very second typing) and disgusting movepool really hampers its potential that even MOLTRES, who wasn't even designed to be the defensive Pokemon, is a much better defensive staller than Articuno. Articuno has to constantly pretend that it is a defensive Pokemon, when it really isn't, especially with that disgusting weakness to Stealth Rocks, while Moltres's Fire typing isn't exactly known to be a defensive typing, but a great offensive one, still has a lot more resistances than Ice (and many are very useful). Not to mention how they continually pick on Ice types, even in anime or so, as Ash defeats an Articuno and Regice at one point. Kyurem's Glaciate has the worst BP ever for a legendary's move (even if Kyurem is supposed to be represented as "incomplete"), and then you get the dual 140 BP attacks that Kyurem fusion forms do... which all require charge-up. Kyurem-B is apparently so bad with its movepool that not even the strongest Outrage saved it from being demoted to OU. Don't get me started on how inane the whole concept of dragons are, as it's basically a match-up of who's the fastest and can Outrage the fastest (which just means Garchomp wins most of the time, especially Scarfchomp). Bottom line is, Ice types suck, and will continue to suck if Gamefreak doesn't help them up with any of those factors (movepool, stats, and especially the type table). Now with the introduction of Fairies, they're further slidden to oblivion and really, won't find much use asides as coverage moves for Water Pokemon to run or something. That's really sad. As for making all Megas into Ubers... what? No, it's a new mechanic and it's to make the game more interesting. You take one Pokemon of your choice and do what you want with it. Both players have the opportunity, so I don't see why it would be banned. Will some be more powerful than others? Certainly: I can see Mega Mewtwo getting banned, since its original form is also too powerful for standards and is purposely overpowered to begin with. Perhaps people can set up separate metagames where one is with Megas and without Megas... but please, this is not Gen IV or V anymore, but a new game. Nobody's deluding themselves by saying they're usable: you'd be deluding yourself for thinking they're not usable in any way, shape or form. I don't like the idea of Megas, but it doesn't mean it'll stop people from playing them. A new standard will come out, but it's too early to tell what kind of impact they make, and just exactly how much of a boost these Pokemon get anyways. I am afraid of things like MegaKangaskhan and the likes, but we have to wait and see: it's not as simple as banning them all because that's like banning Stealth Rocks, which was a countermeasure from things like Salamence from sweeping too soon (though it worked too well and killed off the usage of, say, Charizard and all). Even so, some combinations like Swift Swim + Drizzle was banned, just because rain is too potent (though Sand Rush + Sandstream was not, and Excadrill itself got banned for being too broken). I still don't like how Blaziken as a whole is banned, as a Speed Boost-less version is okay. But these people like to yell "NO COMPLEX BAN"... which is stupid because now nobody can effectively play regular Blaziken anywhere, as it gets demolished in the Uber tier (which basically means almost no restrictions game), while you'd have to make specific Speed Boost sets to even make it viable otherwise. Some rules, I cannot agree with, but I highly doubt Megas as a whole will get banned. I'm totally okay with the idea of a separate Mega | Non-Mega metagame, but they're not going to be banned outright, and will probably be tiered themselves.

September 14, 2013
131 replies

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

Why would you Giga Drain when you have that awesome STAB Blizzard to run?

September 14, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

How did that Porygon-Z survived a Focus Blast... I'm unsure. No Life Orb, I guess. + 1 Life Orb Tri Attack did kill though, which is cool. Lol tie and both got a rank up.

September 14, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

I hate this 1000char limit.

Grass got the greatest buff, along with Electric to some extent. I hope Ghost can escape abilities as well, but you know, I was thinking and theorymoning... Ghost got a huge buff: Psychics are still bad. Believe it or not Dark types got better, even with their weakness to Fairy and ineffectiveness towards them, they still hit Steels neutral now, meaning an LO + @ Adamant Sucker Punch off Absol can actually OHKO Scizor now. This isn't balance as we know it: I think Fairies being weak to Psychic could have actually been a bit more of a balance, while being ineffective to Ghosts, or something. Seriously, that would have been perfect, because Psychic actually beats Fighting. Now to get Ice to resist more stuff...

September 13, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

100 is still quite fast. It outpaces anything below 100, you know, and still beats ALL Ice Pokemon that isn't Sneasel/Weavile/Cryogonal. 100 is the standard benchmark, and you know, that's still kind of evil. I still think they'll do "lol nope 101" to troll on Salamence. Even that 1 speed point makes all the difference, as speed is the only absolute stat in the game. Seriously, dragons are all about "who's the fastest"... ugh. I don't know if I like this, MegaGarchomp getting a huge boost in Attack and Special Attack (two stats being boosted???) just makes me want to ... eww.

Amaura is beautiful. I want it. I also like Tyrunt. I like both. And I'm very sure Gamefreak is conscious of Ice's problems... I am VERY VERY SURE. <img src="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/unsure.png" alt=":/" srcset="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/unsure@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20" />

September 13, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

What the heck... Electrics can't be paralysed??? That's broken... I don't want Zapdos to sweep >__<

With all that... THEY STILL DIDN'T THINK OF GIVING ICE TYPE DEFENCE BOOST IN HAIL. Ice types are doomed: forget about it.

Also Ghosts cannot be trapped by moves (Arena Trap and Shadow Tag still work I assume). Neat I guess, but too specific. Who uses Whirlpool/Fire Spin anyways?

Grassers no longer affected by Spore or Powder moves, which is always amazing too. That's a bit of a nerf for Breloom, but quite a buff for Ludicolo and the likes.

Also, Mega Garchomp's Attack and Special Attack both improve greatly, while its Speed goes down a little. <--- the speed was the very reason we'd use Garchomp in the first place... hmm... but raising Atk/SpA GREATLY? I'm scared... and little reduction may mean just as much as reducing it from 102 to 101... <img src="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/unsure.png" alt=":/" srcset="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/unsure@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20" />

September 13, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

Ironically I used Tyranitar on all three of the bugs. Tyranitar can take anything that isn't a STAB Fighting move as long as it is EVd properly. Volcarona got Stone Edged while it Quiver Danced, Accelgor's Focus Blast missed thankfully (it would have caused catastrophic damage otherwise but wouldn't OHKO barring crits), I Fire Blasted Escavalier (lol), and Tyranitar's movepool is large enough (in fact, the largest of the pseudolegends) that any supposed "counters" will get decimated if it all connects. Oh and Tyranitar was underleveled.

September 13, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

Two Daniels on the same birthday that I know... this is fun. <img src="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/smile.png" alt=":)" srcset="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/smile@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20" />

I just beat Pokemon Black's league... Alder fell to my Tyranitar.

September 13, 2013

wraith89

LEGOanimal22

13 days until what? Wait... it's 13 days until my brother's birthday... <img src="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/mellow.png" alt=":|" srcset="<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/mellow@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20" />

September 12, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

Actually... I completely forgot how awkwardly difficult these Rockman game clones get. I'll play this later: I should probably beat the league or something in Pokemon Black.

I opened up the other laptop, found my SHODDY teams... all those memories. All these Pokemon... that are UNUSABLE IN THE NEW POKEMON GAMES BECAUSE... Haxorus :L

September 12, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

I have a feeling the concepts will be quite similar to that picture. Otherwise, it won't happen. European Grass, Chinese Fire, Japanese Water... AGAIN?! Also, mono Grass, Fire/Fighting, mono Water. That's their final result. Gamefreak will troll: get everybody happy when it's revealed to be Fire/Psychic... but will turn to Fire/Fighting as a Mega. Or they can do it other way around: Fire/Fighting to anger people while making it Psychic as Mega.

While Fairy is anti-pre-Gen VI-metagame, I have a feeling it will BECOME the metagame, like Dragons and Fighters of Gen IV and V... and everything else will have to find a way around to deal with it. It's going to be one huge circlejerk between Fairy-Steel-Fighter-Dark, and of course Bug-Psychic-Ghost-Dragon in the outliners... and the other elements just "being there" (like water).

You're most likely upset that Hydreigon has a W4 now...

I think I'll just be playing Rosenkreuzstilette or something while I'm bored.

September 12, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

I'll just wait until the "final product" is released... because right now, I'm just really mad at how Fairies turned out, and killing off my favourite Pokes, and how nothing really was done for Ice types. I'm really sure they're conscious of Rock/Ice inviting in so many weaknesses. In fact, this Pokemon is weak to itself (Rock moves), along with 4x weakness to Fighting and Steel, inviting in common weaknesses to Grass, Ground, Water, and the Ice typing negating its resistance to Fire. It resists Poison (lol), Ice (lol), Normal (moar lol), and Flying (okay not too bad). This is like Magcargo, only worse, because at least Magcargo had utility and kills off Bugs.

And ewww...

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September 12, 2013

Gen VI metagame speculation

wraith89 replied to Tbird's topic in Competitive Battling Discussion

Another thing that hit my mind... I'm reading through the thread at Smogon, and people haven't really commented much about Ice, except for the new Rock/Ice fossil Pokemon, which is just going to die from a single Bullet Punch or Mach Punch anyways due to its crazy amount of weaknesses. Its ability is Freeze Skin, which boosts power of Normal attacks and changes them to physical. I... I think they're going to troll again and its only Normal moves are stuff like Tackle and Take Down or some other useless moves. Some people are saying it may be a way to buff Ice types... but I doubt that. Just like Gen V, where only a handful of Pokemon gained new gamebreaking abilities, leaving some old Pokemon in the dust (except via Dream World), this Freeze Skin ability is most likely only going to be found in the new Ice Pokemon and unless they do a Dream World Redux or Hidden Ability 2 or something, I don't think there's any hope for Ice Pokemon at all. The ability in itself is pretty cool, but due to the way Fairies appear unbalanced as it is, I think that's the end of seeing any form of Ice Pokemon in standard battles. That's just how it is, unless these Ice Pokemon vastly improve their movepool or have STAB that goes above a paltry 75 base attack (I'm staring at you, Weavile). Freeze Skin will be on a selection of Pokemon: you won't see much of this anywhere else. I mean, they had the chance: they could have just given Ice a few practical resistances and it would have been all right. But nope, Chuck Testa. Knowing Gamefreak, they won't do much with the old Ice Pokemon: I'm quite sure of it: not even access to Hydro Pump would save most of them. The T.rex looks cool, as it is a new Rock / Dragon Pokemon. Unfortunately, most Fossil Pokemon are slow, and if Tyranitar is any indication of how these people design their T.rex... well... it'll probably end up like poor Rampardos. Most fossil Pokemon that isn't Aerodactyl or Archeops are quite slow. However, unlike the Rock/Ice Pokemon, it doesn't have to pretend to be a defensive Pokemon, as Rock/Dragon is great offensively and can just fulfill its offensive role no problem. What is stupidly lopsided is you'd think the Ice type was designed to beat the Dragon. Lol nope. The Rex will probably be faster and STAB Stone Edge the Apatosaurus to death. I know they tell you carnivorous dinosaurs eat herbivores, but I don't know what to say about this. I think anything with Ice just automatically disqualifies it from being viable at all. I know I shouldn't be complaining about Ice Pokemon at a time like this, but... it still needs more mention. Ice type is beyond salvagable at this point, unless you're something like Cloyster or Mamoswine (but both have another typing along with the right moves and ability). Too soon to tell? Probably. But 4x weakness to Fighting and Steel is just ridiculous, along with the inclusion of Fairy types, who counter Dragons much better and have no need for Ice Beam or anything... Ice types are finished competitively. The old metagame was also kind of lopsided, as it was basically who gets to kill the opponent's Steel first and then finish off the rest with boosted Outrage. Now they're basically at the mercy of... Purin. Ick. I'm quite skeptical of how this will turn out, as Gamefreak were not exactly the masters of balancing things out. They had the right idea, but now ultimate types like Dragons are quite nerfed, which wasn't a bad idea, but I'm afraid of Fairy becoming the new overpowered typing. I'm not saying the whole dragon business was balanced either: it was stupid, as it was a matter of which dragon had strong enough attack and the highest speed (Garchomp, Latitwins), basically meaning the others really had little to no reason to be used, honestly. Garchomp even had Earthquake and other moves to deal with Steels. (They could have just given Kyurem's new forms 105 speed, but they didn't, and because Gamefreak absolutely loves Ice Pokemon, Kyurem was given the gift of an incredibly limited movepool and ultra powerful signature move... that required charge up, and a stronger version of Icy Wind). I don't know what to say, honestly. I'll have to wait and see how this turns out. But I needed to kind of rant regarding "balance". Some of the aspects are okay, but I don't like how they are conscious of Ice's weakness problems but refuse to address it.

September 12, 2013
131 replies

wraith89

Lorshinator

Megahorn and U-turn are also commonplace. At least they're not downright immune to Bug. That would suck for U-turn users. At least Fairies are resistant to three of four common attacking types Scizor use, but Bullet Punch spammers will still be the end of them. I don't like how Scizor usage will rise though: as if it needed that. This gen so far (even if we don't have all the info) is death to Ice types, and more power to the already power mongers. Dragons may be weak to Fairies, and not affect them, but after their Fairy is down, they're going to do that stupid DD + Outrage stuff again and just sweep... Dragons already have coverage to work with, but no, I'm not using Iron Tail.

I can't stand this Ice not resisting anything anymore. Articuno's still going to be useless, and Kyurem is going to be weak to pink stuff. Why?

... eh it's just a game. But still. UGH.

September 11, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

Bug and Dark are increasingly common, and Dark type moves are a common sight in OU, especially Pursuit, Crunch, Sucker Punch, and Foul Play even. Why are they doing this? It's like... they want to break the new type. This is too much really...

Not to mention the Rex will have offensively inclined stats, the Diplodicus looks defensive. SERIOUSLY GAMEFREAK HAVE YOU NOT LEARNED YOUR LESSON YET???? DEFENSIVE + ICE = NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Rex has nice offensive coverage with its STAB at least. So what if it is not good defensively? It's still killing stuff. The Diplodicus... Gamefreak really... that's just trolling. I like them both: first time it's ever happened. Can I just... yell or something?

September 11, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

Also, now that Ghost and Dark are neutral to Ice, I can change the weakness/resistance charts of previous game to make it that way... and by deleting those two entries, I can add two extra relations (which means two more resists for Ice!)... at least I can make believe now because Gamefreak stupidly failed here. What should I make them resistant to?

September 11, 2013

wraith89

Lorshinator

Fairies got me mad. These people had the right idea, the right resistances, but the weaknesses? Come on... it's okay to include Steel and Poison: I like that, and I don't contest that. But another mainstream weakness will help the balance more, mostly Ghost or Ice. Now Ice doesn't have any role because Fairies counter Dragons much better. I was afraid of this: Fairies are actually the new Dragon. They had the right idea... they screwed up in the end. UGH.

You know, it's because it's Ice. We all know Ice is going to suck. What the hack Gamefreak? See, what's so lopsided is this. Rock/Dragon vs Rock/Ice. You'd think Ice would be designed to beat Dragon, right? Wrong... the TRex will eat the Diplodicus with its Rock STAB. They clearly didn't think this through, especially if the Rex ends up faster than the Longneck. 4x weak to Steel and Fighting. I want to yell.

It's going to be Grass/Ground, Fire/Fighting, Water/Steel. Sounds familiar?

September 11, 2013

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