EchoLandon

Alright! This is quite odd. One minute I am pwning with that team and the next I cant win a battle. I am going to have to do SOMETHING. Get rid of blissey I suppose.....

If I may, people keep telling me not to worry about countering every single pokmeon in the metagame, and then name a few that they think I should counter.... First off, does Life orb on starmie give it similar power to choice specs? I got rid of heatran and now have blissey. Starmie and dragonite can kill infernape while starmie can also kill gyarados while my own infernape can kill scizor. So far this team has been woring far better than any Ive ever had. Tusk (Mamoswine) (M) @ Focus Sash Trait: Snow Cloak EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Ice Shard - Avalanche - Earthquake - Stealth Rock Europa (Blissey) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Wish - Seismic Toss - Heal Bell - Toxic Flamberge (Scizor) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Brick Break - Swords Dance - Bullet Punch - Roost Alexander (Dragonite) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Inner Focus EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 12 Def / 184 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Claw - Dragon Dance - Roost - Earthquake Astra (Starmie) @ Choice Specs Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 4 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hidden Power [Dark] - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt - Surf Prometheus (Infernape) (M) @ Lum Berry Trait: Blaze EVs: 64 Atk / 252 Spd / 192 SAtk Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Nasty Plot - Flamethrower - Close Combat - Grass Knot

Ill try that. But I just won 3 battles with this...

Alright. I have edited the team and this is what I've come up with. Europa (Blissey) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Wish - Seismic Toss - Heal Bell - Stealth Rock Lead bliss to set up rocks and leave. I then use her later for wish/cleric support. Tusk (Mamoswine) (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Snow Cloak EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Ice Shard - Avalanche - Earthquake - Stone Edge Modified to be a physical attacker. Alexander (Dragonite) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Inner Focus EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 12 Def / 184 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Claw - Dragon Dance - Roost - Earthquake Same. Astra (Starmie) @ Choice Specs Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 4 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Psychic - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt - Surf Same. Flamberge (Scizor) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Brick Break - Swords Dance - Bullet Punch - Roost Same with Brick break Prometheus (Infernape) (M) @ Lum Berry Trait: Blaze EVs: 64 Atk / 252 Spd / 192 SAtk Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Nasty Plot - Flamethrower - Close Combat - Grass Knot He is working well I just need to get the hang of boosting.

I think I need to get rid of vaporeon.

I meant to get rid of rapid spin yes. I wil do that. But vap replacing starmie makes no sense. Starmie is a special sweeper. Vaporeon is support. And before I get rid of Starmie I will get rid of vaporeon. I battled 4 people. 1. 1-0 me. It felt hard to get this win. I barely did with vappy surfing at the end. Not to mention this was a UU team I fought. 2. 0-6 them. sheddy sweep 3. 4-0 me. Nice sub-->scizor sweep 4. 0-4 them. fail. Just fail. Mamoswine is dying much faster now. Infernape used to give at least as good as he got and now that isnt happening. Alexander is the same. Vaporeon isnt working right. Scizor is carrying the team. Starmie is the same. Infernape isnt adjusted yet. I am not complaining about your advice. I will keep battling with a tweek here and there and see what I can do. Perhaps all I need is to adjust.

Alright. Here are the changes I made. Ill work with these and see how it goes. Oter changes will be made later if I see fit. Tusk (Mamoswine) (M) @ Focus Sash Trait: Snow Cloak EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Ice Shard - Avalanche - Earthquake - Stealth Rock Romana (Vaporeon) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Water Absorb EVs: 128 HP / 252 Def / 128 Spd Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Substitute - Baton Pass - Surf - Heal Bell Flamberge (Scizor) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Brick Break - Swords Dance - Bullet Punch - Roost Alexander (Dragonite) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Inner Focus EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 12 Def / 184 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Claw - Dragon Dance - Roost - Earthquake Astra (Starmie) @ Choice Specs Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 4 Def / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Rapid Spin - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt - Surf Prometheus (Infernape) (M) @ Lum Berry Trait: Blaze EVs: 64 Atk / 252 Spd / 192 SAtk Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Nasty Plot - Flamethrower - Close Combat - Grass Knot

I did a damage calculator and the fire blast didnt vome close to ohko and the flamethrower was not swell either. Why is that? I gave dragonite minimum spdef, infernape 292 spatk with +2 modifier. Where did I go wrong?

God....why does everyone says mamoswine wont work! My mamoswine works. I will try a few different things baced on what you said. But I wont completely change his role. He has never failed me so epicly that I need to change his basic strategy. You say that mamoswine wont live long after it comes out. But mine does.

I was under the impression that giving mamoswine speed rather than bulk was so that it could survive for use later in the game. So should I use him as a suicide lead or a lead/physical attacker?

The power/accuracy debate isn't set in stone. I am one of the people who preffere to have as much accuracy as possible. Is there something wrong with that? And yes I did post it here for critique. But that doesn't mean I have to make every change that is suggested. I don't think that opting not to go with Fire Blast is a particularly stingy stance.

And with all due respect to you, I will not change my perpective of the metagame to fit the way everyone else thinks. If anything, that diversifys the metagame. I sm okay witht he def drops because I can keep sweeping afterwards. Switching is alright but Overheat's missing has cost me infernape's life. Superpower means I'll have to switch imediately which when I tried it, didn't work. The only time i needed that much power right now was when I fought set up leads. And it didnt do enough. They set up and beat me. I have to go which my own experiences as my main source of information. And ya. I wont see breloom 100% of the time but lum berry has saved infernape from a crippling status that's not from a breloom quite often. I tried blissey and didnt like her. I see the ohko on dragonite after SR and....it sounds good but I don't think so. Flamethrower won't get the ohko but it's not that necesary. Following Feralligates's train of logic, I wont see dragonite 100% of the time and when I do I wont send an infernape at him. (Earthquake on Dnite is nasty) I'll opt for starmie or mamoswine's ice shard.

Well I can do the nasty plot but the life orb and the fire blast I can't do. The extra power isn't worth the trade off. Infernape can't handle the free hits when he misses. And without the lum berry i'm not prepared for breloom.

erm....not exactly my style. =/ Fire blast is too inaccurate and Im not sure I want 3 set up pokemon. How about this? Infernape @ Lum berry (I need it to stop brelooms cold) Naive nature 64 Atk/ 192 SpAtk/ 252 Spe Vacuum Wave Grass Knot Flamethrower Close combat That way I have a secondary priority with ok type coverage (unlike the sparesly super effective bullet punch) thus I can revenge kill pokemon who are down to about 17%. Is there a special reaso why I need nasty plot?

Alright. I'll go 64. Perhaps replace overheat with flamethower since it lowers spatk and is only 90% accuracy. And okay. I'll try the evs but if it doesnt work i'll switch back. I'm still shaky about the subs. I could pass a vaporeon sub to scizor. Would that work?