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<p><p><p><p><p><p>That's the problem. In this metagame, you need to have the bulk, the speed, and the power (Excadrill >_>) to even think about running set up moves. If you don't have all of that, it's pretty hard, which is why I'm starting to forgo setting up in general and attacking outright with immediate power for things like Sceptile. Empoleon I think I'm having bigger success with the defensive set. Some Excadrills just attack it outright, but at other times I'm attacking while it sets up thinking I'd switch heh heh. Charizard though... is a problem. He ABSOLUTELY needs the set up to be successful, but it's too hard to pull that off now, which is why I still like Specs or LO set more at this point. His Fire Blast still OHKOs his intended targets, Air Slash and other SpA for coverage... really.</p></p></p></p></p></p>