Tbird

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<p><p><p><p><p><p>I've tried all renditions of Charizard, even DD + Roost. That one was pretty cool, except he's not hurting much unless they're weak to Fire or something. SD versions are pretty cool too, but unlike Venusaur, he doesn't have a disabling move nor does he have bulk. I think that's what made Venusaur scary... but how? Venusaur is weaker than Charizard/Sceptile/Empoleon and I can make HIM SD, but I can't make the other three.</p></p></p></p></p></p>

<p><p><p><p><p><p>No matter how much I try to use Charizard in some weird fashion, it seems Moltres does it better because of its higher SpA and better bulk. I even tried Sub/Toxic/Roost/Flamethrower Charizard (NOT JOKING)... yes Charizard is faster so he can get the jump on Zapdos, but the problem is he is weaker than Moltres, doesn't have Moltres's bulk, and doesn't have Pressure. Well, Blaze can help with the "weaker" part... I don't know how I can make Charizard survive two + 2 Extremespeeds from Lucario while I was able to do that with Moltres.</p></p></p></p></p></p>