apri

34 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

In SV itself, no.

You could deposit the Pokémon into HOME, then view the Pokémon on mobile, and see what ball it has.

In Home mobile, it has a Poké ball just like it's supposed to. It says it was "first moved in" to Home at today's date. Does that mean the Home tracker was unchanged?

On 7/6/2023 at 3:51 AM, theSLAYER said:

Inject via sysbot, then receive back from sysbot, then compare the files.

I don’t have any recommendations 

I did it and it looks like it worked! But how do I check that the HOME Tracker on the pokémon is unchanged after I received it from the sysbot? Is there a tell tale sign to look out for?

On 6/30/2023 at 7:40 AM, theSLAYER said:

Different servers may have different commands, but generally it’s a trade command (!trade or ?trade I reckon) + attach the file with that command.

then the server’s bot would DM your account and give you a link code when it’s ready.

Alright! How do I know that the sysbot doesn't change the Home tracker? Is there a sysbot that you can recommend?

On 6/28/2023 at 7:08 AM, theSLAYER said:

Responding in case no one replies you:
I have the file in one of my collections uploaded to the site.

Could be useful to you if you can perform save editing (to inject it directly to your save), or to receive from sysbot via a trade (provided the bot doesn’t change any of the data, including the HOME tracker).

Oh that sounds like it could be something. I can't do any save editing, but I could do the sysbot thing. What info do I enter to the sysbot?

34 minutes ago, Desmondcsz said:

Yeah that's it pretty much

Got it, thanks for the info!

Hey!

Looking for someone that has a Vivillon with Poké ball pattern from the event years ago (or from the wondercards on this website) that has a duplicate of the Poké ball Vivllion to trade me in Scarlet & Violet. Looking for it for a friend who missed the event.

I have lots of Dittos that I caught from raids with unique IVs, natures and shininess to trade. Hopefully someone can help me out to get this Vivillion.

8 hours ago, Desmondcsz said:

You can leave the PIDs as they are really, the only reason to change them would be if some of them were shiny, as shininess uses TID/SID so if you change the original combo, the pokemon will not be shiny anymore and you'll have to find a new shiny PID for the new combo

Oh I see. Yeah, none of the already caught Pokémon were shiny. So if I got this right, all the same PIDs for non-shiny Pokémon are all available naturally in the game regardless of what your TID/SID is? *Just* not on shiny Pokémon, cause that's when only a set range of PIDs are available.

6 hours ago, Desmondcsz said:

I just did some tests on my HG save file. Changing TID/SID didn't affect the legality of already caught pokemon, though stuff like shininess changes due to the new combo.

 

If you edit your TID/SID then the game will just "accommodate" to that and generate regular, legal PIDs for the new combo

Oh cool! Good to know.

So do I need to find a new PID for the already caught Pokémon that I now put the new TID/SID on? Cause I assume the old PID was chosen for them to correlate to my old TID, and now a new PID need to match the new TID, right?

Does anyone know this? About to catch Lugia with my new (edited) trainer ID, and want to make sure the PID and all that will generate correctly according to my new TID, so I can transfer it up.

44 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

Good luck!

If you're okay with cloning, just send over 15-20 saves containing one single mon, and see which is eligible for the mini/jumbo mark ><

Thanks!

32 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

Alternatively, if it's a species you can catch in Pokémon GO, may be better to just do that.

XXS and XXL sized Pokémon are guaranteed to be size 0 and 255 respectively, upon transfer.

That's a great tip too!

If it's one of my old fave Pokémon from gen 1-4 that I'm transferring up all the way with ribbons and things, I think I'll give it some tries to at least get an XXS (in SV measurements). That's still close enough to SV size XXXS, so visually they'll be pretty much the same. So that will be cool for the old classics in a new game.

Other than that, I think chasing for a Mini and Jumbo in Scarlet & Violet or Go is, you know, the way to... GO!

On 6/14/2023 at 2:39 PM, theSLAYER said:

I used a custom made plugin to dump all the HT/WT values in my save into a CSV file, which I then ported the data to my Excel file that already have graphing set-up.

Yeah, ultimately it matched the triangular distribution curve. Testing with 50k mons for 95% confidence would be the gold standard, but that just takes way too much time. Even if the odds cannot be confirmed, at least the 'shape' of the distribute is.

Yeah, I think we totally know the odds well enough to know what we can expect. Your research was plenty.

And alright, I only have devices to dump saves from gen 1-4 games, and my switch is not CFW so I'll just try my luck the regular way then to transfer and check the sizes. I probably won't give it too many tries if it gets boring tho. We'll see

21 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Well, 255 only in Weight. Have yet to get 255 in Height yet.

Nah that is still within odds. It could be 1/16512; think of it as getting a shiny Pokémon at the 500th encounter.
That doesn't mean that shiny odds are not 1/4096, it just means that you got it under odds

Oh, true! You could've just been 'lucky' getting two pokémon with HT 0 below odds, and then I guess unlucky with 18 000 transfers to finally get the HT 255.

I checked your linked threads, interesting findings for sure. Thanks for the helpful research! I'll be transferring Pokémon through Bank to Home and then to SV. How do you transfer and check the pokémon as fast as possible?

17 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Yeah I came to the same conclusion in my tweet. Either not possible or possibly triangular distribution. For triangular, need roughly 51 full boxes to be transferred.

edit:

@apri in case you're curious about my findings

 

Whoah congrats on getting size 0 and size 255! Now we know! Getting a few after "just" 3700 tries certainly gives hope. Much better than 1/16512 odds as in SV at least. Any technique to transfer and check them as fast as possible?

19 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Fair enough.

Yup, HT/WT gets assigned in HOME.
And when the mon enters SV, it copies HT to the variable Scale, before it enters SV (Scale is used by SV to visually show sizes of stuff)

The only time SV gives HT/WT of stuff, is for stuff that is generated in SV, so it wouldn't apply to stuff caught/bred outside of SV.

Oh I see, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the info!

I guess the only thing we can still find out now, is if it's even possible at all, to actually randomly get HT/WT 0 from Home, and then ofc sending the Pokémon to SV and get size 0 the regular way (as intended by Home). I guess it's probably either 1/16512 odds, or locked to not be able to get size 0 at all. I'm assuming it's the same odds as SV though, so I guess it's just a matter of time until the first person shows up to state that they randomly got size 0 through Home.

It can be a new thing, just like shiny hunting legendaries, but instead finally seeing the Mini mark after 16 000 transfers

45 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

And for the record, if the Pokémon's origin isn't a SV game, then absolutely no.

The HT/WT/Scale was GIVEN BY HOME. It is generate/rerolled in HOME. It has the data before it even enters SV.
No offense, I think you have no idea what you're saying, and might be unconsciously bending known facts to fit your mental narrative, to justify you being able to whatever size you want. It is likely an unconscious cognitive bias, and not a personal attack. Just pointing it out before you fully commit to that train of thought.

It is true that if a mon was caught/bred in SV, HOME would absolutely have no way of knowing what size it was supposed to have before entering SV, but then you encounter a different breed of issues: the size is defined by RNG, and what if that RNG state was correlated, and became public knowledge after? Changing HT/WT/Scale could break that.

A lot of people in Gen 8 didn't know there were RNG correlations (cause at that time it wasn't discovered), and all the edits became illegal.
So both sides (pre-HOME and post-HOME) of the coin you're causing trouble for yourself.

Oh, you totally misunderstood. I personally wasn't at all looking to actually edit a Pokémon after it entered Home. I don't have a CFW Switch and I as I wrote in my original post, I'm not interested in editing a Pokémon with Home trackers and troublesome things like that. I was just curious of the mechanics of how the Home tracker works and where the size gets assigned, which is apparently in Home, and this I had no idea of. I thought it was in SV. Well, that's good to know.

18 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Yea if it’s triangular it is possible 1/16512. But out of all the people that have done it, I’ve not heard reports stating it’s possible, so who knows. 
 

Not safe. Whether they’re clones doesn’t matter. HT/WT appears to be assigned randomly (if they didn’t already have it). Don’t edit anything that has a HOME tracker.

Interesting question that was asked. But how would Home even be able to tell if the Pokémon received an actual random size, or (an edited) size 0 meanwhile it is in Scarlet & Violet? I thought the Home tracker doesn't track anything meanwhile the Pokémon is in SV, and it only became active once the Pokémon was sent back to Home and leaving Scarlet & Violet. And at that point, the tracker wouldn't really know what happened in Scarlet & Violet, the tracker would just assume whatever size it got, was randomly assigned?

On 6/7/2023 at 9:43 PM, theSLAYER said:

@apri I figured out how it works (in terms of why I had mons that were HTWT 0). But you’re probably out of luck.

if you want to keep a Bank transfer Pokémon to have HT/WT 0 (resulting in scale 0) in HOME v3.0.0 (and other stuff, such as old HOME events), it needs to have entered PLA before v3.0.0.

Once it gains a scale, that value sticks, and the HT/WT doesn’t get rerolled. As of now the rerolling is random, as I’ve got clones that gets different values, meaning it’s likely not derived from some other value on the Mon.

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edit:
If you're looking at the chance to generate a mini/jumbo via HOME, read the Tweet thread

 

Thanks! Yeah the first part I was aware of originally, but I thought there was hopefully another unknown way to bypass it or something. But I guess it really was just like that then!

The part about the odds is news to me. Thanks for doing the research, that's helpful to know. I was really hoping it'd be 1/256 for a mini mark, but I guess not then. The fact that you got nothing after 1920 transferred probably means it's the same odds like in Scarlet & Violet, 1/16512 right?

20 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

I was moving them to and fro. 
originally, they entered HOME A and SWSH, PLA, and LGPE in v2.0.0

After HOME v3.0.0, they entered HOME B, and went to and fro SV, then finally went back in and out of HOME A to have a different HOME tracker.

That's a lot of games! I'll try a bit of everything and see if there's any pattern anywhere, regarding how size gets assigned when moving from Home to those games.

If anyone does figure out a pattern of what sizes gets assigned when moving to certain games, feel free to respond in this thread. Like, patterns of what sizes that the Pokémon usually get, or some size determination that seems to be rare. Or if anyone have a gauge of what odds there can possibly be of getting size 0 through Home, maybe 1/16512 or 1/256, that'd also be interesting to know.

55 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

Stuff that has been through HOME before v3.0.0 gets size 0, yes.

Yes but v3.0.0 supposedly gives those Pokémon a proper size. Meaning none of them should be non-zero; it fixes them retroactively.

Why some of them non-zero for me, I can only theorise that it involves me swapping them across different HOME accounts. Maybe they only fix non-zero to HOME existing HOME trackers at that point, and the act of me entering from a HOME (hence getting those assigned different trackers) circumnavigated that.

However I cannot be sure, as not all my old Pokémon are non-zero, only some.

Yeah, it might be something like that. Did you move them to any game after they were in Home?

2 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

Tho to be fair the size 0 could be a result of me messing with things way too much.

I transferred shinies over in v2.0.0.

Then proceeded to use a different HOME account to import them into HOME, then out. Then into yet a different HOME account. I only noticed this on my shinies, and not my regular mons, so there's a chance I messed with something somewhere. In any case, it may not be a thing, who knows. No one can properly answer that.

Oh I see. But I read that before the 3.0 update, if you transfer any Bank Pokémon through Home to PLA, it would always get size 0. But you're saying that your Pokémon entered Home for the first time in v 2.0, and then before the 3.0 version came out, you didn't actually transfer the Pokémon onwards to any game, they kept just hanging out in different Home accounts during all that time?
 

Now, after the 3.0 update, did you transfer then from Home to any game? If so, what was the first game you transfered them to after they arrived to Home?
Trying to figure out when and where size 0 was assigned

30 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

No real way. HT/WT/Scale is a HOME only thing, and can't be hacked.

If there's any consolation, I have some stuff with 0 in all three stats, despite being transferred up normally. It is a weird scenario.

Oh really!? That could be good news for me!

The Pokémon that you got size 0 on, you transfered those from Bank to Home for the first time after the 3.0 update, right?
And what game/games did you transfer those from and to?

Hi!

So I just missed my shot at making old pokémon get size 0 in PLA with Home transfer, so now I wonder if there's any other ways. I'm sending Pokémon all the way from gen 3 up to Scarlet & Violet.

Can I in any part of the process, either through the game mechanics themselves of through save editing, alter size/height/weight so that it get's the Tiny mark in Scarlet & Violet? (I mean before the Pokémon is sent to Home, where the app starts to track what's going on)

Update! I got it to work! I had missed this thing that describes a bit more of what to do:

I used a Windows 8 computer, running on 64. No virtual machine. I did need to manually disable driver signature enforcement before installing the drivers, as well as every time I start up the computer when I want to use the NDS Adaptor Plus, since it accesses the drivers even when you just open the program. I used the Advanced Startup option to do it, not through the command prompt. It was pretty easy once you know where to click.

In the link in my previous post, I just used the contents in the folder called 0907_v3.05 and there were both drivers there, as well as the actual program. So if anyone needs it to work in 2023, that's a way to do it.

Yeah, I guess that's the thing, if Home allows any "outdated" transfers at all. My pokémon are still in gen 3 atm, so it's a while till when I'll see for myself if it works. Has anyone tried out transferring Pokémon with an older version of Home?