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The following is an attempt to catalogue various elements of the Gen 6 Pokémon games that will be inaccessible should Pokémon Bank shutdown in the future. CFW non-withstanding of course.
Pokéball legality is not being touched on, given the vast resources which already exist for this element.
For Hidden Abilities; added notes where Gen 5 has continued accessibility without Dream World where possible, and also Gen 7 alternative methods. Evolutionary lines represented by a single Pokémon.
Hidden Abilities requiring Gen 5 or Events:
Spoiler# Pokémon Form Method Hidden Ability Gen5 Accessible Gen7 Alternative 115 Kangaskhan Poké Transporter Inner Focus SOS Battle 138 Omanyte Poké Transporter Weak Armor 140 Kabuto Poké Transporter Weak Armor 142 Aerodactyl Poké Transporter Unnerve 446 Munchlax Poké Transporter Gluttony Curtis's/Yancy's trade SOS Battle 161 Sentret Poké Transporter Frisk 211 Qwilfish Poké Transporter Intimidate 252 Treecko Poké Transporter Unburden 258 Mudkip Poké Transporter Damp 345 Lileep Poké Transporter Storm Drain 347 Anorith Poké Transporter Swift Swim 387 Turtwig Poké Transporter Shell Armor 390 Chimchar Poké Transporter Iron Fist 393 Piplup Poké Transporter Defiant 408 Cranidos Poké Transporter Sheer Force Curtis's trade 410 Shieldon Poké Transporter Soundproof Yancy's trade 412 Burmy Poké Transporter Overcoat 449 Hippopotas Poké Transporter Sand Force 504 Patrat Poké Transporter Analytic Hidden Grotto 550 Basculin Red-Striped Form Poké Transporter Mold Breaker SOS Battle 550 Basculin Blue-Striped Form Poké Transporter Mold Breaker 564 Tirtouga Poké Transporter Swift Swim 585 Deerling Summer Form Poké Transporter Serene Grace Route 6 Scientist 585 Deerling Autumn Form Poké Transporter Serene Grace Route 6 Scientist 585 Deerling Winter Form Poké Transporter Serene Grace Route 6 Scientist 588 Karrablast Poké Transporter No Guard 616 Shelmet Poké Transporter Overcoat 249 Lugia Dream Radar Multiscale Dream Radar 250 Ho-Oh Dream Radar Regenerator Dream Radar 641 Tornadus Incarnate Forme Dream Radar Defiant Dream Radar 642 Thundurus Incarnate Forme Dream Radar Defiant Dream Radar 645 Landorus Incarnate Forme Dream Radar Sheer Force Dream Radar 483 Dialga Dream Radar (also Event) Telepathy Dream Radar 484 Palkia Dream Radar (also Event) Telepathy Dream Radar 487 Giratina Altered Forme Dream Radar (also Event) Telepathy Dream Radar Events (primarily) # Pokémon Form Method Hidden Ability Gen5 Accessible Gen7 Method 144 Articuno Event Snow Cloak 145 Zapdos Event Static 146 Moltres Event Flame Body 150 Mewtwo Event, Poké Transporter Unnerve 154 Meganium Event Leaf Guard 157 Typhlosion Event Flash Fire 160 Feraligatr Event Sheer Force 255 Torchic Event, Poké Transporter Speed Boost 377 Regirock Event Sturdy 378 Regice Event Ice Body 379 Registeel Event Light Metal 497 Serperior Event Contrary 500 Emboar Event Reckless 503 Samurott Event Shell Armor 696 Tyrunt Event Sturdy - 698 Amaura Event Snow Warning - 710 Pumpkaboo Super Size Event Insomnia - Hidden Abilities which generally require Friend Safari:
Spoiler# Pokémon Form Method Hidden Ability Gen5 Accessible Gen7 Alternative 2 Ivysaur Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Chlorophyll 5 Charmeleon Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Solar Power 8 Wartortle Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Rain Dish 12 Butterfree Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Tinted Lens Hidden Grotto SOS Battle 21 Spearow Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Sniper SOS Battle 83 Farfetch'd Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Defiant 91 Cloyster Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Overcoat SOS Battle 105 Marowak Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Battle Armor SOS Battle 131 Lapras Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Hydration SOS Battle 148 Dragonair Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Marvel Scale Hidden Grotto SOS Battle 163 Hoothoot Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Tinted Lens Dream Radar SOS Battle 165 Ledyba Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Rattled SOS Battle 175 Togepi Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Super Luck B2W2Trade + Dream Radar 194 Wooper Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Unaware 206 Dunsparce Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Rattled Hidden Grotto SOS Battle 209 Snubbull Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Rattled Hidden Grotto SOS Battle 213 Shuckle Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Contrary Dream Radar 215 Sneasel Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Pickpocket Hidden Grotto SOS Battle 216 Teddiursa Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Honey Gather B2W2Trade 221 Piloswine Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Thick Fat 235 Smeargle Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Moody SOS Battle 375 Metang Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Light Metal Hidden Grotto + Dream Radar SOS Battle 400 Bibarel Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Moody Hidden Grotto 415 Combee Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Hustle Hidden Grotto 417 Pachirisu Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Volt Absorb Hidden Grotto 426 Drifblim Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Flare Boost Hidden Grotto + Dream Radar SOS Battle 442 Spiritomb Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Infiltrator B2W2Trade + Dream Radar 447 Riolu Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Prankster Dream Radar SOS Battle 454 Toxicroak Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Poison Touch 459 Snover Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Soundproof 510 Liepard Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Prankster Hidden Grotto 511 Pansage Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Overgrow 513 Pansear Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Blaze 515 Panpour Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Torrent 527 Woobat Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Simple Hidden Grotto 536PalpitoadFriend Safari, Poké TransporterWater Absorb544 Whirlipede Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Speed Boost 561 Sigilyph Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Tinted Lens Dream Radar 578 Duosion Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Regenerator 581 Swanna Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Hydration 587 Emolga Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Motor Drive SOS Battle 597 Ferroseed Friend Safari EVOLVE - 608 Lampent Friend Safari Infiltrator - 618 Stunfisk Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Sand Veil 619 Mienfoo Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Reckless Hidden Grotto SOS Battle 623 Golurk Friend Safari, Poké Transporter No Guard SOS Battle 624 Pawniard Friend Safari, Poké Transporter Pressure SOS Battle 651 Quilladin Friend Safari Bulletproof - 654 Braixen Friend Safari Magician - 657 Frogadier Friend Safari Protean - 660 Diggersby Friend Safari Huge Power - 662 Fletchinder Friend Safari Gale Wings - SOS Battle 666 Vivillon 18 Forms Friend Safari Friend Guard - 668 Pyroar Friend Safari Moxie - SOS Battle 670 Floette Red Flower Friend Safari Symbiosis - SOS Battle 670 Floette Yellow Flower Friend Safari Symbiosis - SOS Battle 670 Floette Blue Flower Friend Safari Symbiosis - 673 Gogoat Friend Safari Grass Pelt - 674 Pancham Friend Safari Scrappy - SOS Battle 677 Espurr Friend Safari Own Tempo - 682 Spritzee Friend Safari Aroma Veil - 684 Swirlix Friend Safari Unburden - 686 Inkay Friend Safari Infiltrator - SOS Battle 689 Barbaracle Friend Safari Pickpocket - 694 Helioptile Friend Safari Solar Power - 701 Hawlucha Friend Safari Mold Breaker - SOS Battle 702 Dedenne Friend Safari Plus - SOS Battle 705 Sliggoo Friend Safari Gooey - SOS Battle 710 Pumpkaboo Average Size Friend Safari Insomnia - 712 Bergmite Friend Safari Sturdy - 714 Noibat Friend Safari Telepathy - SOS Battle Egg Moves:
SpoilerPokémon Move Method Charmander Air Cutter Gen 4 Charizard Move Tutor Shellder Avalanche Gen 4 Cloyster TM 72 Scyther Defog Gen 4 HM05 DPt Munchlax Self-Destruct Gen 4 Pokéwalker Winner's Path Dratini Extreme Speed Gen 4 In game trade Drifloon Defog Gen 4 HM05 DPt Vanillite Natural Gift Gen 4 TM on a Mineral male parent Volbeat Dizzy Punch + Seismic Toss Simultaneously requires old gen parent Shinies:
SpoilerPokémon Method Articuno Poké Transporter Zapdos Poké Transporter Moltres Poké Transporter Mewtwo Event, Poké Transporter Mew Poké Transporter Kyogre Poké Transporter Groudon Poké Transporter Rayquaza Event, Poké Transporter Jirachi Event, Poké Transporter Deoxys Poké Transporter Manaphy Poké Transporter Darkrai Poké Transporter Shaymin Poké Transporter Arceus Event Genesect Poké Transporter Xerneas Event Yveltal Event Diancie Event Event Exclusives:
Spoiler# Pokémon Form Accessible(?) Method 151 Mew My Pokémon Ranch 251 Celebi Events 385 Jirachi Wishmaker/Channel 489 Phione Breed Manaphy 490 Manaphy Ranger 491 Darkrai Gen4 Event Key Item 492 Shaymin Gen4 Event Key Item 493 Arceus Events 494 Victini Gen5 Event Key Item 647 Keldeo Events 648 Meloetta Events 649 Genesect Events 666 Vivillon Fancy Events 666 Vivillon Poké Ball Events 719 Diancie Events 720 Hoopa Events 721 Volcanion Events -
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Posting to have a record of some GSC egg investigations I've made playing recently. Perhaps this is already known, but I'd not found the info myself.
Breeding for shinies in Gen 2, you can use Stadium 2 to detect shinies by the Hue of the egg (details as noted on bluemoonfalls).
Using Fëanen's document for Hue calculation (link), I noticed a few Pokémon that would have undetectable shiny egg hues for my Gold TID/OT combination. My plan to trade eggs from Gold to Crystal to change the egg.
- Turns out eggs have some hidden OT data. Though showing TID of hatch game after a trade, while still an egg Stadium 2 imposed limits on non-OT Pokémon withdrawal until 150 Pokédex. This also applies to eggs
- As the hidden egg generation TID is set for eggs, no trading will get around shiny Hue limitations. Hue set on generation, shiny visibility trick for a given Pokémon only on a favourable save file OT/TID.
- Crystal only egg moves are saved to the egg, so new egg moves are retained for Crystal eggs hatched in Gold/Silver. Probably not many care, but my Gold TID team benefits a few new egg moves.
Hopefully this post is of some use to anyone reading this. Thanks!
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On 11/8/2021 at 9:55 PM, DrGonzo said:
My IDs are (40117, 50117, 60117 - Gold, Silver, Crystal).
Hi there, I noticed your post so here are your mystery gift results for those trainer IDs (interesting pattern in them!)
SpoilerTRAINER ID 40117 50117 60117 BERRY no no no PRZCUREBERRY often often often MINT BERRY no no no ICE BERRY often often often BURNT BERRY often often often PSNCUREBERRY no no no GUARD SPEC no no no X DEFENSE often often often X ATTACK often often often BITTER BERRY no no no DIRE HIT no often no X SPECIAL often no often X ACCURACY no often often EON MAIL often no no MORPH MAIL often no no MUSIC MAIL no often often MIRACLEBERRY no no no GOLD BERRY sometimes sometimes sometimes REVIVE sometimes no sometimes GREAT BALL no sometimes no SUPER REPEL sometimes no no MAX REPEL no sometimes sometimes ELIXIR no sometimes sometimes ETHER sometimes no no WATER STONE no no no FIRE STONE rare no no LEAF STONE no no no THUNDERSTONE no no no MAX ETHER no rare no MAX ELIXIR no no no MAX REVIVE no no rare SCOPE LENS no no no HP UP no no no PP UP rare rare rare JIGGLYPUFF DOLL no no no POLIWAG DOLL often often often DIGLETT DOLL often no often STARYU DOLL no often no MAGIKARP DOLL often no no ODDISH DOLL no often often GENGAR DOLL no often often SHELLDER DOLL often no no GRIMER DOLL no often no VOLTORB DOLL often no often CLEFAIRY POSTER no often often JIGGLYPUFF POSTER often no no SUPER NES often often no WEEDLE DOLL no no often GEODUDE DOLL often no no MACHOP DOLL no often often MAGNAPLANT no no no TROPICPLANT sometimes sometimes sometimes NES no no no NINTENDO 64 sometimes sometimes sometimes BULBASAUR DOLL sometimes sometimes sometimes SQUIRTLE DOLL no no no PINK BED no no no POLKADOT BED sometimes sometimes sometimes RED CARPET no no no BLUE CARPET no no no YELLOW CARPET no no no GREEN CARPET rare no no JUMBOPLANT no rare no VIRTUAL BOY no no rare BIG ONIX DOLL no no no PIKACHU POSTER no no no BIG LAPRAS DOLL no no no SURF PIKACHU DOLL rare rare rare Reading the latest discussions above, I guess none of us have thus far managed to find a single instance where Stadium 2 gives one of the rarer items that does not match the Trainer ID from this tool.
I guess I will need to consider getting a second Gameboy Colour if I ever intend to get all the items on my Gold save for the completionist spirit in me. And keep reset some second Gen 2 game for different trainer IDs. Oh well!
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Hi MagnusHexem. I've ran the code on those 3 Trainer IDs. Forgive the format as I struggled in my attempts to paste this into a table.
SpoilerTRAINER ID 64818 41962 37613 BERRY often no no PRZCUREBERRY no often often MINT BERRY often often no ICE BERRY no no often BURNT BERRY no no often PSNCUREBERRY often often no GUARD SPEC often often no X DEFENSE no no often X ATTACK often no no BITTER BERRY no often often DIRE HIT no often often X SPECIAL often no no X ACCURACY no no no EON MAIL often often often MORPH MAIL often no no MUSIC MAIL no often often MIRACLEBERRY no no no GOLD BERRY sometimes sometimes sometimes REVIVE no no sometimes GREAT BALL sometimes sometimes no SUPER REPEL sometimes no no MAX REPEL no sometimes sometimes ELIXIR no sometimes sometimes ETHER sometimes no no WATER STONE no no no FIRE STONE no no rare LEAF STONE no rare no THUNDERSTONE no no no MAX ETHER no no no MAX ELIXIR no no no MAX REVIVE no no no SCOPE LENS rare no no HP UP no no no PP UP rare rare rare JIGGLYPUFF DOLL no no no POLIWAG DOLL often often often DIGLETT DOLL no no often STARYU DOLL often often no MAGIKARP DOLL often no no ODDISH DOLL no often often GENGAR DOLL no often often SHELLDER DOLL often no no GRIMER DOLL no often often VOLTORB DOLL often no no CLEFAIRY POSTER no often no JIGGLYPUFF POSTER often no often SUPER NES no no often WEEDLE DOLL often often no GEODUDE DOLL no often often MACHOP DOLL often no no MAGNAPLANT sometimes no no TROPICPLANT no sometimes sometimes NES sometimes sometimes no NINTENDO 64 no no sometimes BULBASAUR DOLL no no sometimes SQUIRTLE DOLL sometimes sometimes no PINK BED sometimes sometimes no POLKADOT BED no no sometimes RED CARPET no no no BLUE CARPET no no no YELLOW CARPET no no no GREEN CARPET rare no no JUMBOPLANT no no no VIRTUAL BOY no no no BIG ONIX DOLL no rare rare PIKACHU POSTER no no no BIG LAPRAS DOLL rare no no SURF PIKACHU DOLL no rare rare EDIT: At a glance of your post, maybe those all add up? That will be good to know but sad. It may be the only way to get all the gifts is IR between two GameBoy Colours.....
Funny that both your GOLD and SILVER can indeed send the PINK BED
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I've received some rares. Indeed so far all the rares I've got match those of my Trainer ID, whether co-incidence or not....
- GOLD (17817): MAX ETHER, BLUE CARPET and SURF PIKACHU DOLL (Very Rare even)
- CRYSTAL(57942): No rares for me yet, However, Carrie received a VIRTUAL BOY about a week ago. Crystal can send those out according to the tool, so it may well appear the rares are ID based?
- Carrie also reminds me she received BLUE CARPET before, "am I jealous"? That would match that the giving and receiving between Stadium 2 for rares at least might be limited by ID. I hope not....
Can also add my support for the likelihood that receiving often/rare/etc it is entirely random. After Carrie got that VIRTUAL BOY the few days after were nothing buy X Items and Berries, until today as it happens when GOLD got the MAX ETHER. I doubt that effects odds. I'd still expect there may be something going on to get the TENTACOOL DOLL and other STADIUM 2 only items. Maybe you need everything else first? Maybe you need to have beaten all of STADIUM 2?
MagnusHexem, I feel your pain looking for MIRACLEBERRY. I'd also like a SCOPE LENS as that might also be mystery gift locked. I've never even got a GOLD BERRY from STADIUM 2, but I at least got one from the Bug Catching Contest. Gradually bringing my team through the STADIUM 2 battles and always think that berry wouldn't hurt.
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Found your post searching for answers to GEN 2 MYSTERY GIFT. I've been doing mystery gift for just under a year now, wondering if I could get every gift on GOLD using STADIUM 2 alone as I've only got 1 GameBoy Colour.
I compiled and ran the mystery gift tool you referenced using my GOLD trainer ID (17817).
I have been getting several gifts which do not align with those my trainer ID can send out. For the first few months I received MUSIC MAIL very often, despite that being a "no" using that tool. I've also received GOLD BERRY, and several Dolls that my ID does not send to other GBC games according to that tool. Of the 11 Dolls I've received thus far, 6 are possible on my ID according to the tool, 5 are not.
I can only assume the gifts from Stadium 2 are not limited to trainer ID in the same way, though there may be some correlation in probability?
Some anecdotal thoughts to add. Only within the past 3 weeks or so I have a CRYSTAL cartridge which I've started playing. So far that game has received 4 dolls (1 of which GOLD already had). It may be that when one of the games gets a rare gift, the other cartridge tends to get a better item too. I've not nearly enough evidence to back that up, but figured I'd mention my feelings so far based on your comments.
Finally, the STADIUM 2 character does mention the TENTACOOL DOLL very very often! Thus far I've not received any of the STADIUM 2 exclusive items on either GOLD or CRYSTAL cartridges (PIKACHU BED, UNOWN DOLL, TENTACOOL DOLL). I've no idea if any special triggers are involved with those....
I'd love to know if you have since found any documentation on how this all works?
Gen 7: Previous Generation Transfer Exclusive Checklist
in Generation 7
Posted · Edited by Mark_Eire
The following is an attempt to catalogue various elements of the Gen 7 Pokémon games that will be inaccessible should Pokémon Bank shutdown in the future. CFW non-withstanding of course.
Pokéball legality is not being touched on, given the vast resources which already exist for this element.
Evolutionary lines represented by a single Pokémon.
Edits to follow as I go.
Hidden Abilities:
Egg Moves:
Shinies:
Event Exclusives:
Previous Generation Transfer Exclusives: