Tbird Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 It wouldn't work at all. Gallade is a solid physical sweeper, espeon is a special one, and the passed calm minds wouldn't benefit your team WHOLE LOT though it could work. However, the loss of your physical sweeper would be very noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 9, 2010 Author Share Posted July 9, 2010 So Espeon wouldn't work out in my team eh? Here is my Espeon's Original Move Set. [hgsssprite]196[/hgsssprite][icon]196[/icon] Espeon @ Leftovers Ability: Synchronize Nature: Timid 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Hp - Psychic - Shadow Ball - Baton Pass - Calm Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogun Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 You're teams weak to offensive users, and also needs at least one mixed attacker. It's very late and I'm tired right now, but I suggest that you use Drain Punch, Substitute, Bulk Up and Ice Punch on Gallade, Lucario would owrk, but needs a custum team if you're going for Calm Mind. The subject changed multiple times, but what is your actual team atm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 I have changed my Typhlosion with my New Blissey. Did I make a good choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbird Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 [hgsssprite]242[/hgsssprite][icon]242[/icon] Blissey @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Care Nature: Calm 252 Hp/252 SpD/4 Def - Toxic - Softboiled - Attract - Swagger I like blissey on this team it should work well. I recommend a different EV spread though - 32HP 252 DEF 224 SpDEF. If you know how to get seismic toss on your blissey then that would work wonders over swagger, and you could put aromatherapy over attract too. If not then I'm sure an attrafusing toxic stalling set such as your own would probably do a hell of a lot of good (Just be careful of swaggering a physical attacker, as a +2 physical assault is going to really hurt .) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 13, 2010 Author Share Posted July 13, 2010 Thank you. I like my Blissey Moveset and I was thinking the same thing that Blissey would work well with my team. I will change my Blissey EV Spread as you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogun Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Here's a list of possible Blissey sets. I know it's really confusing, but err I'll break it down into the options. Blissey - Bold @ Leftovers and always 252 Defense Seismic Toss/Thunderbolt Softboiled/Wish/Rest Aromatherapy/Protect/Flamethrower/Ice Beam/Counter Toxic/Stealth Rock/Thunderwave/Flamethrower/Heal Bell/Calm Mind/ice Beam/Protect/Counter OK. Again this is confusing but I think it could help you out. Seismic Toss should be on every Blissey set that isn't running Calm Mind or a set that has boosted in Special Attack to counter threats. (Since I don't recommend either to be used, best stick with Seismic Toss) Softboiled doesn't need explanation. Wish is if you want to heal the party or you like to make the Toxic stalling set with Wish/Protect/Toxic/Seismic Toss. Wish should ALWAYS be used with Protect. Rest may seem pointless on Blissey since you can't do anything for two turns after, but Blissey has Natural Cure (of course it would have, it wasn't already unfair to begin with) and when it switches out, it's healed from status (Sleep) This is if you're going for a set meant to attack Pokes, and switch out instead of the usually stalling. Aromatherapy heals the team, I could babble for a long time on how good this move is. Protect should only be used if you also have Wish, Toxic, or Counter. As it's also a great scouting move. Flamethrower is there to hurt steel types and also damage Ghosts who think they can Sub behind against a Blissey. Ice Beam is for Salamence and Gliscor... Both who should be 1HKO'd with Stealth Rock unless they are Roosting. Counter is just optional, and if you think about it, Blissey has such high special defense that it's physical attack bait. This move could actually 1HKO some things like Swampert who attacks you with Earthquake or a bulky Gyarados with Waterfall Toxic shouldn't need explanation on a wall like this who can't do too much direct damage, and is especially useful to wear down walls, Swampert, Vaporeon, Hippowdon, Zapdos, etc Stealth Rock is just there to let you know it can learn it, if you're using mostly offense and don't have other Stealth Rock users or something. Thunderwave is mostly for countering fast threats, Salamence, Gengar, Lucario, Infernape, etc. Flamethrower again for Steels. Heal Bell if you're using Wish/Protect, but it doesn't allow you to use Aromatherapy with it. Calm Mind if you're using special attacks with it and actually want to try the CM set. Ice Beam was previously mentioned for its uses, as well as Counter and Protect. And below are the sets you should actually use. Bold @ Leftovers Wish Protect Seismic Toss Toxic/Heal Bell/Counter Bold @ Leftovers Seismic Toss Softboiled Aromatherapy/Flamethrower Toxic/Thunderwave Modest @ Life Orb Thunderbolt Ice Beam Flamethrower Rest This last one is just for fun, but still usable and surprisingly usable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 15, 2010 Author Share Posted July 15, 2010 Ok, thanks Shogun. I have changed my team again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogun Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 LOL! What's your actual team though?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbird Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Go back to how you had your team, maybe adding one of shogun's sets. AND STICK WITH IT!!! . Your team was fine before. The espeon lead works like a poor man's alakazam, and baton pass does nothing for it that generally switching out wouldn't - Entry hazards are arguably more effective in the long run anyway - lasting up to a duration of the game, where as screens last 8 turns. Earthquake is terrible on blissey because of its low attack stat. The attrafusion works well, though most people won't stay in to let you annoy them for a whole game, similarly one that focuses on thunderwave would really help your team as you have a few slower sweepers - and also has the effect of permanently crippling the opponent. Toxic stalling is your bog standard, bread and butter 'works wonders' set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 15, 2010 Author Share Posted July 15, 2010 Shogun: - Froslass - Sceptile - Lucario - Gallade - Flygon - Blissey Tbird: So which move should I have for my Blissey? Toxic or Thunder Wave? I like my Attrafusing Toxic Moveset because it works wonders for me and defeats mostly all deadly threats against my Blissey and it is my very own unique set. I have changed my Flygon's Fire Blast to Flamethrower because Accaracy works better than Power. I have changed my Blissey's Calm Nature to a Bold Nature due to the Low Def she has. I have changed my Sceptile's Hp Ice to Hp Water for better coverage and just because Hp Water works better for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbird Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 If that works for you then of course use it . I think your team is pretty much good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 15, 2010 Author Share Posted July 15, 2010 I have edited my previous post. Can you name all of my team Weaknesses please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbird Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Weaknesses, just brief what comes to mind. Lead[hgsssprite]478[/hgsssprite][icon]478[/icon] Froslass @ Focus Sash Ability: Snow Cloak Nature: Timid 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 SpD - Ice Beam - Spikes - Destiny Bond - Taunt Trick leads - Alakazam, Azelf, Persian etc General Scarf leads - Dragonite Faster taunt leads - Aero = pwned by icebeam, Weavile Special Sweeper [shinysprite]254[/shinysprite][icon]254[/icon] Sceptile @ Choice Specs Ability: Overgrow Nature: Timid 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 SpD - Hidden Power Water - Energy Ball - Leaf Storm - Focus Blast Locked into Hp water - Breloom, gyarados, Salamence, dragonite, Metagtross Any_water_type_w/_Ice beam Locked into energy ball - Heatran, Infernape, Blissey, Celeb, Gyarados, Salamence, dragonite, | fire/steel/grass types in general Locked into Leaf Storm - Same as above Locked into Focus Blast - Gengar, Rotom, Dusknoir, Gyarados, possibly salamence, but I'm not sure how much it would hurt it, same with dragonite Special Attacker [hgsssprite]448[/hgsssprite][icon]448[/icon] Lucario @ Leftovers Ability: Inner Focus Nature: Timid 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 SpD - Aura Sphere - Calm Mind - Shadow Ball - Hidden Power Ice Blissey, Gliscor (outspeeds and OHKO's this set w/ EQ), infernape, gyarados, scizor can hurt, flygon Physical Attacker [shinysprite]475[/shinysprite][icon]475[/icon] Gallade @ Leftovers Ability: Steadfast Nature: Jolly 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 SpD - Substitute - Bulk Up - Night Slash - Close Combat Any late game taunters such as gyardos, hazers and phazers such as swampert, skarmory, weezing, suicune. Walled by spiritomb. Revenge Scouter [shinysprite]330[/shinysprite][icon]330[/icon] Flygon @ Choice Scarf Ability: Levitate Nature: Lonely 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 SpD - Outrage - Earthquake - U-turn - Fire Blast If you don't keep this is for more than a turn or two, then this thing shouldn't have any weakness. You want fire blast on the set as Flygon needs all the power it can get. However: Locked into EQ any levitaters - Gengar, gyarados, azelf, salamence, dragonite, flygon, rotom etc etc. Locked into outrage Vaporeon, suicune, gliscor, forretress, metagross, steelix, skarmory. Locked into Fire Blast Heatran, suicune, blissey. Attrafusing Toxic Staller [hgsssprite]242[/hgsssprite][icon]242[/icon] Blissey @ Leftovers Ability: Natural Care Nature: Bold 32 Hp/224 SpD/252 Def - Toxic - Softboiled - Attract - Swagger Breloom, infernape - insert physical sweeper here - Anything with taunt, anything with substitute, steel types and special attackers in a way, as swagger won't be too much of a bother, though toxic will hurt them. Those are my blatently obvious weaknesses that I can see. However your team should have most of them covered. Bulky waters and gyarados look Like they may pose threats, so if you can allocate a move for hp electric/thunderbolt/_electric attack_ then cool. However seeing as most bulky waters attack from the special side, and seeing as swampert won't hurt blissey too much, toxic stalling should remove those problems. I'm too tired to tell you how you counter those weaknesses, but in looking at ways you think you can counter them, you should devise a better strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shogun Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Sword Dance Lucario and Sword Dance Scizor can destroy your whole team after a Life Orb Sword Dance. Lucario's Extremespeed and Scizor's Bullet Punch 1HKO everything except for Lucario and Blissey (not 100% sure about the ladder though). Also don't expect Lucario to be able to stop Scizor or survive Extremespeed if your Lucario is not with a lot of health still. I guess I should say that you're weak to offense and stall, which you could somewhat break using Gliscor w/ Earthquake, Toxic, Taunt and Roost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 16, 2010 Author Share Posted July 16, 2010 Thanks Shogun and Tbird for the info. I have defeated many Swords Dance or Extremespeed Lucario and Scizor using my Sceptile's Old Moveset as follow. [shinysprite]254[/shinysprite][icon]254[/icon] Sceptile @ Choice Specs Ability: Overgrow Nature: Timid 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 SpD - Energy Ball - Dragon Pulse - Focus Blast - Hidden Power Water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 18, 2010 Author Share Posted July 18, 2010 Should I change my Froslass Lead with a Swampert Lead? Mixpert [hgsssprite]260[/hgsssprite][icon]260[/icon] Swampert @ Leftovers Ability: Torrent Nature: Relaxed 252 Hp/252 Def/4 SpD - Stealth Rock - Surf - Ice Beam - Earthquake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riolu Aura Sphere Now Posted July 18, 2010 Author Share Posted July 18, 2010 I have changed my Froslass Lead to my Empoleon Lead. Here is my Empoleon Lead. Lead [hgsssprite]395[/hgsssprite][icon]395[/icon] Empoleon @ Focus Sash Ability: Torrent Nature: Modest 156 Hp/252 SpA/100 Spe - Stealth Rock - Ice Beam - Hydro Pump - Aqua Jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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