Sukotto50 Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 Totally need help with a good team. I don't think I have ever really applied a strategy to my battling, and would like a little advice on attack ideas, nature and IV/EV recommendations. I am open to any suggestions. My team, for shoddy and on DS, consists of the following: Charizard (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Blaze EVs: 85 HP/85 Atk/85 Def/85 Spd/85 SAtk/85 SDef Bold nature (+Def, -Atk) - Flamethrower - Dragon Pulse - Thunderpunch - Dragon Dance --- Raichu (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Static EVs: 85 HP/85 Atk/85 Def/85 Spd/85 SAtk/85 SDef Brave nature (+Atk, -Spd) - Thunderbolt - Surf - Volt Tackle - Bide --- Blaziken (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Blaze EVs: 85 HP/85 Atk/85 Def/85 Spd/85 SAtk/85 SDef Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd) - Blaze Kick - Sky Uppercut - Earthquake - Thunderpunch --- Garchomp (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Sand Veil EVs: 85 HP/85 Atk/85 Def/85 Spd/85 SAtk/85 SDef Hardy nature (neutral) - Earthquake - Dragon Pulse - Crunch - Flamethrower --- Lucario (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Inner Focus EVs: 85 HP/85 Atk/85 Def/85 Spd/85 SAtk/85 SDef Serious nature (neutral) - Aura Sphere - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Shadow Ball --- Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers Ability: Intimidate EVs: 85 HP/85 Atk/85 Def/85 Spd/85 SAtk/85 SDef Hardy nature (neutral) - Dragon Pulse - Earthquake - Flamethrower - Surf --- Thanks for any and all help.
randomspot555 Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 Garchomp is in the Uber tier, so you'll be facing Pokemon like Kyogre and Rayquaza. TLDR is your team doesn't stand a chance against comon uber threats. Your EV spreads also do absolutely no good at all. The point of EV training isn't to evenly spread EVs throughout all stats. First, EVs work in 4s. For every 4 EVs, you get one additional stat point than an non-EV trained Pokemon (assuming same IVs and nature). Finally, most Pokemon only have one or two stats even worth applying EVs for. For example, Jolteon has base 115 special attack and base 130 speed. That means all of it's EVs should go into those two stats. The exception would be Baton Pass sets, but literally every other Eevee evolution is better at doing that besides Flareon. Finally, you seem to know what natures do, but choose neutral ones anyway. Don't. You want a nature to enhance one stat and to hinder the stat you aren't using. For example, Jolteon really likes the modest and timid natures. Modest boosts special attack, Timid boosts speed, and both hinder (physical) attack. You should probably thumb through the guides posted in this forum and elsewhere on EV training, natures, etc...read up, and ask questions when you need help. EDIT: I think I faced you on PP Shoddy once. Didn't you used to have a Blastoise on this team?
Shogun Posted March 25, 2010 Posted March 25, 2010 I don't like advertising this.. but :http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/ This should help you out. If you have any questions. I'll help =P
Sukotto50 Posted March 29, 2010 Author Posted March 29, 2010 Thank you both so much for the help. Been playing these games since I was a little kid. Guess I really haven't acquired the hang a great team building.
Shogun Posted March 30, 2010 Posted March 30, 2010 It's about enjoying the game. If you're having fun ... then it doesn't matter if you've got a great team or not. Maybe I could either help you build a strong team or give you one of mine.
Sukotto50 Posted March 31, 2010 Author Posted March 31, 2010 So here's my new team. Already tried it out, and Gyrados pretty much sweept all my opponents Pokemon. Thanks for all the help. I think I'm starting to understand the strategies a little better. It's great still being able to use a team of my favorite Pokemon. Can't wait to hear what anyone might think. Metagross @ Leftovers Ability: Clear Body EVs: 252 HP/244 Def/12 Spd Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Explosion - Meteor Mash - Stealth Rock --- Charizard (M) @ Petaya Berry Ability: Blaze EVs: 4 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Fire Blast - Solarbeam - Sunny Day - Substitute --- Blaziken (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Blaze EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def) - Fire Blast - Hidden Power [Grass] - Superpower - Vacuum Wave --- Lucario (M) @ Salac Berry Ability: Inner Focus EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Crunch - Reversal - Substitute - Swords Dance --- Gyarados (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Intimidate EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Dance - Stone Edge - Waterfall - Earthquake --- Pikachu (M) @ Light Ball Ability: Static EVs: 4 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hidden Power [ice] - Substitute - Thunderbolt - Grass Knot --- Thanks, Shogun for all the support and help. I really appreciate it.
Shogun Posted March 31, 2010 Posted March 31, 2010 o. o But all I did was post a website link... But um... Glad to help! If you need anything else ask me. I am used to making random junk work perfectly in a team.
shroudedwolf51 Posted April 1, 2010 Posted April 1, 2010 So here's my new team. Already tried it out, and Gyrados pretty much sweept all my opponents Pokemon. Thanks for all the help. I think I'm starting to understand the strategies a little better. It's great still being able to use a team of my favorite Pokemon. Can't wait to hear what anyone might think. Overall, in my opinion, this is a rahter unusual team. Don't take this offensively, but this team has more defensive holes in it than swiss cheese....and a major SR weakness. I'll post my comments on each pokemon on your team separately, and then afterwards, make suggestions on what you can do to make it better and whatnot. Metagross @ LeftoversAbility: Clear Body EVs: 252 HP/244 Def/12 Spd Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Explosion - Meteor Mash - Stealth Rock If I remember correctly, is an almost standard lead 'gross, so... not much I can say about him. Two things, though. Occa (no need to run shuca. Even hippo or swampert can't OHKO you with EQ) berry over lefties. And also, consider running bullet punch because of the priorityness of it over meteor mash (or earthquake, but you'll probably want EQ for coverage). Blaziken (M) @ Life OrbAbility: Blaze EVs: 4 Atk/252 Spd/252 SAtk Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def) - Fire Blast - Hidden Power [Grass] - Superpower - Vacuum Wave Looking at the set that you're running, in all honestly, you're better off running an infernape. The only real thing that blaziken can do that infernape can't is agility or SD passing. Otherwise, it's outclassed. Charizard (M) @ Petaya BerryAbility: Blaze EVs: 4 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Fire Blast - Solarbeam - Sunny Day - Substitute If you REALLY wanna add him, you need to add a spinner to your team since even SR can absolutely murder the thing by slicing off half his health on your first switch-in. Lucario (M) @ Salac BerryAbility: Inner Focus EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Crunch - Reversal - Substitute - Swords Dance Holy crap, I haven't seen one of these since about the time that platinum first came out. If you're gonna run that set, you definitelly WILL need a spinner to make sure that SR and spikes don't screw up your health/subs. I would really recommend, though, running another set Gyarados (M) @ Life OrbAbility: Intimidate EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Dance - Stone Edge - Waterfall - Earthquake Standard offensive gyara. Not much to say here. Pikachu (M) @ Light BallAbility: Static EVs: 4 Def/252 Spd/252 SAtk Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hidden Power [ice] - Substitute - Thunderbolt - Grass Knot certainly an interesting idea, but... very fragile and kinda slow. Opt out for another poke. Overall review: I know that you're new to all this and such, so I'm sorry, but... This really needs a lot of work. You have a lot of exposed weaknesses (SR, salamence, tyranitar, scizor.....it's a long list) and not many ways to deal with them. Also, you're running no defensive pokemon, so you have even less ways to deal with a lot of threats. --- Alright, Now for some team suggestions. My main suggestion is to rebuild. I'll take as much of your team as I think is decent and suggest you stuff to do better with it. I'll assume you want to keep your 'gross as your lead. After fixing up his set, I suggest you opt charizard for sometihng else that can cover his weaknesses and that has some synergy with him. Considering the threats, you have a bnuch of choices. From personal experience, I've had some pretty good experiences running specsmence or specs latias. Both of them make good switch-ins to many threats like infernape, heatran, swampert, and hippopowdon, and then can fire off a draco meteor or surf (hydro pump over surf on 'mence) with the 1.5x boost. Also, assuming that you'd be keeping the gyara, I'd suggest that you opt the offensive gyara out for the bulky DD variant of him. I don't know how good you are, but even if new, after a while, you'll learn what moves to expect from what pokemon that you're facing, so the taunt and gyara's bulkiness will help you out a lot more than it seems at first. Anyway. This is make another switch in to the before-mentioned threats to your lead, and while the pokemon are switching out either after you coming in or after being taunted, you can set up and sweep with him. Pairing along with the gyara, quite nicely, gliscor, as he covers gyara's rock and electric weaknesses quite nicely, plus you need a physical wall. Even though I haven't ran one of these since garchomp was shipped off to ubers, gliscor makes an excellent physical dragon killer and provides good coverage over the big revenge-killer, scizor. Also, I don't know how much of a good suggestion this will be, but you can consider swapping out SR on your lead for something else and running SR on gliscor. Someone else, please comment on this. Well... I kinda gotta run for now, but what you will need for tihs team would be a specially defensive wall (rotom formes, blissey, registeel....) and a sweeper that will cover your team's other weaknesses. Feel free to contact me over one of my IMs or such; I'll be glad to help you out further. Good luck!
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