Duplicate WC in the database?

[Jacinthe]

I was checking some gen 6 wonder cards in the PKHeX database and noticed that, in addition to different WC cards for each languages, some events have two identical WC for the same language. In some cases I can easily tell by TID or OT it's because of the region of the event (like the US OCT2014 and the PAL NOV2014 Diancies). But for others, they are strictly the same (like the OCT2014 Shiny Gengar and the Super Size Pumpkaboo, that have the same OT, TID and Card ID). Is that also because of the region? If so, how can I tell between the US and the PAL WC in order to redeem the correct one according to my 3DS region?

 

Thanks in advance!

[theSLAYER]

6 minutes ago, Jacinthe said:

If so, how can I tell between the US and the PAL WC in order to redeem the correct one according to my 3DS region?

If the details are exactly the same, it wouldn't matter which one you end up using. In those instances, the servers literally used the same file for both regions

[Jacinthe]

5 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

If the details are exactly the same, it wouldn't matter which one you end up using. In those instances, the servers literally used the same file for both regions

But can't the region of the WC be tracked in the pokemon's data? If so, wouldn't redeeming a PAL WC in an american 3DS cause a legality issue?

[theSLAYER]

7 minutes ago, Jacinthe said:

But can't the region of the WC be tracked in the pokemon's data? If so, wouldn't redeeming a PAL WC in an american 3DS cause a legality issue?

"region" isn't listed on the Wonder card. Yes, Gen 6 and 7 Pokemon format has data for region, but if you it's not like "traces of the card's region" will be left on the Pokemon. What matters is you use the correct card for the correct region.

And you can determine the correct card by TID/SID/Item, if the card is different across regions. If it's the same, then it does not matter..

[Anyhow, region data will be wiped when the mon is transferred up to the Switch, so even if you made a mistake, it does not matter if you plan to move it up..]

[Jacinthe]

8 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

"region" isn't listed on the Wonder card. Yes, Gen 6 and 7 Pokemon format has data for region, but if you it's not like "traces of the card's region" will be left on the Pokemon. What matters is you use the correct card for the correct region.

And you can determine the correct card by TID/SID/Item, if the card is different across regions. If it's the same, then it does not matter..

[Anyhow, region data will be wiped when the mon is transferred up to the Switch, so even if you made a mistake, it does not matter if you plan to move it up..]

That's great to know. Thanks!

 

Does that also apply to a region locked exclusive WC (like one of the many rare japanese events that have never been distributed in the west)? If I redeem in an american 3ds the WC for an event that has only be distribuited in Japan or Korea (like Shiny Diancie or Shiny Arceus), will the pokemon be indistinguishable from one redeemed in a japanese/korean 3DS when transferred to home and thus be legal on the switch?

[theSLAYER]

4 hours ago, Jacinthe said:

That's great to know. Thanks!

 

Does that also apply to a region locked exclusive WC (like one of the many rare japanese events that have never been distributed in the west)? If I redeem in an american 3ds the WC for an event that has only be distribuited in Japan or Korea (like Shiny Diancie or Shiny Arceus), will the pokemon be indistinguishable from one redeemed in a japanese/korean 3DS when transferred to home and thus be legal on the switch?

So there's a few things to note:
1. Some wonder cards were distributed via Infrared. Infrared distributions aren't region locked, so it can be any region. So you've got to read/check what event you're looking at.
2. You can just change the "region" on the pk6/pk7 file, if you redeemed it in the wrong location. To an external party like HOME, it'll just look like you've received it via trade.
3. To answer your last point, yes, all the "region'd ROMs" are actually the same, just bundled with an extra check before that launch. This means their generation sequence is all the same.

[Jacinthe]

2 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

So there's a few things to note:
1. Some wonder cards were distributed via Infrared. Infrared distributions aren't region locked, so it can be any region. So you've got to read/check what event you're looking at.
2. You can just change the "region" on the pk6/pk7 file, if you redeemed it in the wrong location. To an external party like HOME, it'll just look like you've received it via trade.
3. To answer your last point, yes, all the "region'd ROMs" are actually the same, just bundled with an extra check before that launch. This means their generation sequence is all the same.

Sorry, but I didn't quite understand that last point. I got it that if the pokemon was distributed in more than one region and the TID/SID/Item are the same, then the mon is the same regardless of WC locks. But what if the mon was distributed exclusively in one region and not through infrared (take for example the dahara city shiny arceus, that was distributed exclusively through japanese and taiwanese serial codes redeemed online and not through infrared), so there's a region lock and no identical file to be redeemed in the west by normal means? For example, if I inject the code through PKHeX and redeem it in an american 3ds, will the arceus be indistinguishable from one redeemed in a japanese 3DS when transferred to home and thus be legal on the switch?

[theSLAYER]

Just now, Jacinthe said:

But what if the mon was distributed exclusively in one region and not through infrared (take for example the dahara city shiny arceus, that was distributed exclusively through japanese and taiwanese serial codes redeemed online and not through infrared), so there's a region lock and no identical file to be redeemed in the west by normal means?

I mean, if it was only distributed via Serial Code for Japanese devices, then there you go, it is region locked.

So you should set the region to Japan after you redeem it/hack on in.

1 minute ago, Jacinthe said:

For example, if I inject the code through PKHeX and redeem it in an american 3ds, will the arceus be indistinguishable from one redeemed in a japanese 3DS when transferred to home and thus be legal on the switch?

The point I was trying to say:

Base ROM across all regions are the same = same stats generation protocol

So it will be indistinguishable if you set the region correctly.

Additionally, region data is wiped in HOME, so the Pokemon will be legal.

This article may be old but give it a read.

[Jacinthe]

5 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

I mean, if it was only distributed via Serial Code for Japanese devices, then there you go, it is region locked.

So you should set the region to Japan after you redeem it/hack on in.

The point I was trying to say:

Base ROM across all regions are the same = same stats generation protocol

So it will be indistinguishable if you set the region correctly.

Additionally, region data is wiped in HOME, so the Pokemon will be legal.

This article may be old but give it a read.

Thanks for the explanation! One last question: I don't like editting the pokemon after redeeming or rnging it. If I simply inject a japanese region locked WC and redeem it on my american 3DS, it would noticeably illegal if checked in gens 6 or 7 because of the region lock. But would the fact that home wipes region data make it indistinguishable from one redeemed in a japanese 3DS upon transfer home and thus 100% legal on the switch since the only data that would make it illegal doesn't exist anymore?

[theSLAYER]

1 hour ago, Jacinthe said:

Thanks for the explanation! One last question: I don't like editting the pokemon after redeeming or rnging it. If I simply inject a japanese region locked WC and redeem it on my american 3DS, it would noticeably illegal if checked in gens 6 or 7 because of the region lock. But would the fact that home wipes region data make it indistinguishable from one redeemed in a japanese 3DS upon transfer home and thus 100% legal on the switch since the only data that would make it illegal doesn't exist anymore?

You could just change the country and region on Luma3DS before receiving the event.

And I feel like I’m beating a dead horse at this point..