wraith89 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 (Wraith89 vs Anonymous) Shoddy Warstory My first ladder match... I had no idea how ladder matches worked, so I decided to give it a try... and I got randomly challenged by an eager battler. Whoops. I was NOT prepared Rules: Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause Pokemon: (In order of appearance) Wraith89 Anonymous v Anonymous sent out Hikari Gar (lvl 100 Gengar ?). wraith89 sent out Kip (lvl 100 Swampert ?). Hikari Gar used Energy Ball. It's super effective! Kip lost 100% of its health. wraith89's Kip fainted. --- Ugh. I mean UGH. A Gengar with Energy Ball? Come on! Now I didn't even get a chance to lay out Stealth Rocks. Just unfair v wraith89 switched in Fimbulvetr (lvl 100 Abomasnow ?). Fimbulvetr's Snow Warning whipped up a hailstorm! Hail began to fall! Anonymous switched in Hikari Skarm (lvl 100 Skarmory ?). Fimbulvetr used Blizzard. Hikari Skarm lost 74% of its health. The hail continues to fall. Hikari Skarm is pelted by hail! Hikari Skarm lost 6% of its health. Hikari Skarm's leftovers restored its health a little! Hikari Skarm restored 6% of its health. --- Hm, Gengar switches for some reason (was it scarf'd or something?) and out comes the wall Skarmory to take 74% damage with a Blizzard in its face. So much for a wall v Fimbulvetr used Blizzard. Hikari Skarm lost 26% of its health. Anonymous's Hikari Skarm fainted. The hail continues to fall. --- Well, down goes the metal birdy. No entry hazards for me! Touche for taking down my Swampert v Anonymous switched in Hikari Ape (lvl 100 Infernape ?). wraith89 switched in Jelly (lvl 100 Tentacruel ?). Hikari Ape used Flamethrower. It's not very effective... Jelly lost 17% of its health. Hikari Ape lost 10% of its health. The hail continues to fall. Hikari Ape is pelted by hail! Hikari Ape lost 6% of its health. Jelly is pelted by hail! Jelly lost 6% of its health. Jelly's leftovers restored its health a little! Jelly restored 6% of its health. --- Lesson #1: Never Flamethrower something that you know is gonna switch. Thank goodness for Tentacruel, my Infernape counter. v Hikari Ape used U-turn. It's not very effective... Jelly lost 15% of its health. Anonymous switched in Hikari Bliss (lvl 100 Blissey ?). Hikari Ape lost 10% of its health. Jelly used Surf. A critical hit! Hikari Bliss lost 18% of its health. The hail continues to fall. Jelly is pelted by hail! Jelly lost 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Jelly's leftovers restored its health a little! Jelly restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss's leftovers restored its health a little! Hikari Bliss restored 6% of its health. --- I took 15% damage from a resisted U-turn? Fail! And a critical hit Surf only managed 18% on Blissey (yes Blissey is a special wall, we know)? Once again, fail v Jelly used Knock Off. Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Jelly knocked off foe Hikari Bliss's Leftovers! Hikari Bliss used Thunder Wave. Jelly is paralysed! It may be unable to move! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Jelly is pelted by hail! Jelly lost 6% of its health. Jelly's leftovers restored its health a little! Jelly restored 6% of its health. --- This is why I run Knock off, or else Hail would do nothing against walls like these v Hikari Bliss used Seismic Toss. Jelly lost 27% of its health. Jelly used Toxic Spikes. Toxic Spikes were scattered around the foe's team! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Jelly is pelted by hail! Jelly lost 6% of its health. Jelly's leftovers restored its health a little! Jelly restored 6% of its health. --- Well, time to lay out some Toxic Spikes... v Hikari Bliss used Softboiled. Hikari Bliss restored 36% of its health. Jelly is paralysed! It can't move! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Jelly is pelted by hail! Jelly lost 6% of its health. Jelly's leftovers restored its health a little! Jelly restored 6% of its health. --- 간호원은 계란을 먹고 그리고 해파리는 움직일 수 없다! v Hikari Bliss used Seismic Toss. Jelly lost 27% of its health. Jelly used Toxic Spikes. Toxic Spikes were scattered around the foe's team! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Jelly is pelted by hail! Jelly lost 6% of its health. Jelly's leftovers restored its health a little! Jelly restored 6% of its health. --- Well, let's set up Toxic Spikes again. v wraith89 switched in Tuscanini (lvl 100 Mamoswine ?). Hikari Bliss used Seismic Toss. Tuscanini lost 28% of its health. The hail continues to fall. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. --- Here comes my physical attacker Mamoswine. Heh heh heh. Eat this, Blissey! v Anonymous switched in Hikari Ape (lvl 100 Infernape ?). Hikari Ape was badly poisoned! Hikari Ape was badly poisoned by the Toxic Spikes! Tuscanini used Earthquake. It's super effective! Hikari Ape lost 74% of its health. Anonymous's Hikari Ape fainted. Tuscanini lost 10% of its health. The hail continues to fall. --- Good idea: using Infernape to revenge kill a Mamoswine. Bad idea: using Infernape to take a LO STAB EQ from a Mamoswine. v Anonymous switched in Hikari Gar (lvl 100 Gengar ?). Tuscanini used Ice Shard. Hikari Gar lost 57% of its health. Tuscanini lost 10% of its health. Hikari Gar used Shadow Ball. Hikari Gar's attack missed! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Gar is pelted by hail! Hikari Gar lost 6% of its health. --- 눈숨기는 좋다! > v Tuscanini used Ice Shard. Hikari Gar lost 37% of its health. Anonymous's Hikari Gar fainted. Tuscanini lost 10% of its health. The hail continues to fall. --- And the Doppleganger falls to Mamoswine's Ice Shard v Anonymous switched in Hikari Cham (lvl 100 Medicham ?). Hikari Cham was badly poisoned! Hikari Cham was badly poisoned by the Toxic Spikes! Tuscanini used Ice Shard. Hikari Cham lost 49% of its health. Tuscanini lost 10% of its health. Hikari Cham used Psycho Cut. Tuscanini lost 32% of its health. wraith89's Tuscanini fainted. The hail continues to fall. Hikari Cham is pelted by hail! Hikari Cham lost 6% of its health. Hikari Cham is hurt by poison! Hikari Cham lost 6% of its health. --- Aw... fiddlesticks v wraith89 switched in Autumn (lvl 100 Froslass ?). Hikari Cham used Psycho Cut. A critical hit! Autumn lost 100% of its health. wraith89's Autumn fainted. The hail continues to fall. Hikari Cham is pelted by hail! Hikari Cham lost 6% of its health. Hikari Cham is hurt by poison! Hikari Cham lost 12% of its health. --- Ok... it HAD to be a Medicham. It HAD to be Scarf'd. And it also HAD to critical me! Come on! Why can't Froslass ever do anything? :mad: It's okay Froslass, I still love you v wraith89 switched in Fimbulvetr (lvl 100 Abomasnow ?). Fimbulvetr's Snow Warning whipped up a hailstorm! Hikari Cham used Psycho Cut. Fimbulvetr lost 65% of its health. Fimbulvetr used Blizzard. Hikari Cham lost 20% of its health. Anonymous's Hikari Cham fainted. The hail continues to fall. Fimbulvetr's leftovers restored its health a little! Fimbulvetr restored 6% of its health. --- Thank goodness it didn't critical. And take that! Blizzard in your face > v Anonymous switched in Hikari Bliss (lvl 100 Blissey ?). Hikari Bliss was badly poisoned! Hikari Bliss was badly poisoned by the Toxic Spikes! Tage has entered the room. Fimbulvetr used Substitute. Fimbulvetr lost 25% of its health. Fimbulvetr made a substitute! Hikari Bliss used Flamethrower. It's super effective! The substitute took damage for Fimbulvetr! Fimbulvetr's substitute faded! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Fimbulvetr's leftovers restored its health a little! Fimbulvetr restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. --- Ugh. That Blissey HAD to have Flamethrower, did it? v Fimbulvetr used Leech Seed. Hikari Bliss was seeded! Hikari Bliss used Flamethrower. It's super effective! Fimbulvetr lost 22% of its health. wraith89's Fimbulvetr fainted. The hail continues to fall. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 12% of its health. --- My snowman's dying wishes... plant seeds of life all over the world! Since Blissey's fatness is apparently stretched all over... that's where we start v wraith89 switched in Claudia (lvl 100 Walrein ?). Anonymous: ...gg Tage: hail team? wraith89: gg Anonymous switched in Hikari Elf (lvl 100 Azelf). Claudia used Substitute. Claudia lost 25% of its health. Claudia made a substitute! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Elf is pelted by hail! Hikari Elf lost 6% of its health. Claudia absorbed the hail! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Claudia's leftovers restored its health a little! Claudia restored 6% of its health. --- GG, says my opponent. But she underestimates this Walrus. I have a 12% health paralyzed Tentacruel... and a walrus! Can I do this? I'm not going down without a fight! Apparently, the nurse refused to grant my snowman's last wishes. How cruel v Claudia used Protect. Claudia protected itself! Hikari Elf used Zen Headbutt. Claudia protected itself! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Elf is pelted by hail! Hikari Elf lost 6% of its health. Claudia absorbed the hail! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Claudia's leftovers restored its health a little! Claudia restored 6% of its health. --- Yeah, the usual Sub + Protect stallrein thing. Soooooo cheap v Hikari Elf used Zen Headbutt. The substitute took damage for Claudia! Claudia's substitute faded! Claudia used Substitute. Claudia lost 25% of its health. Claudia made a substitute! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Elf is pelted by hail! Hikari Elf lost 6% of its health. Claudia absorbed the hail! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Claudia's leftovers restored its health a little! Claudia restored 6% of its health. --- And there we go again, rinse and repeat until that thing is outstalled v Claudia used Protect. Claudia protected itself! Hikari Elf used Zen Headbutt. Claudia protected itself! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Elf is pelted by hail! Hikari Elf lost 6% of its health. Claudia absorbed the hail! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Claudia's leftovers restored its health a little! Claudia restored 6% of its health. --- Yeah, I don't think I need to comment much v Hikari Elf used U-turn. The substitute took damage for Claudia! Anonymous switched in Hikari Bliss (lvl 100 Blissey ?). Claudia used Substitute. But it failed! The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. --- U-turn. And thank you Toxic Spikes v Claudia used Blizzard. Hikari Bliss lost 13% of its health. Hikari Bliss used Softboiled. Hikari Bliss restored 50% of its health. The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 12% of its health. --- Um, 13% with Blizzard? Uh oh. That nurse laughs at my walrus v Hikari Bliss used Softboiled. Hikari Bliss restored 43% of its health. Claudia used Roar. Anonymous switched in Hikari Elf (lvl 100 Azelf). The hail continues to fall. Hikari Elf is pelted by hail! Hikari Elf lost 6% of its health. Claudia absorbed the hail! --- Yeah, I'm not getting outstalled. I'll roar the egg nurse away and force out the maniacal elf in! v Claudia used Protect. Claudia protected itself! Hikari Elf used Zen Headbutt. Claudia protected itself! The hail continues to fall. Hikari Elf is pelted by hail! Hikari Elf lost 6% of its health. Claudia absorbed the hail! --- Here we go again... you're not winning this v Hikari Elf used U-turn. The substitute took damage for Claudia! Claudia's substitute faded! Anonymous switched in Hikari Bliss (lvl 100 Blissey ?). Claudia used Substitute. Claudia lost 25% of its health. Claudia made a substitute! The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Claudia's leftovers restored its health a little! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. --- And more stalling v Claudia used Protect. Claudia protected itself! Hikari Bliss used Seismic Toss. Claudia protected itself! The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Claudia's leftovers restored its health a little! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 12% of its health. --- Eh, the sub's not going to be broken by a single Seismic Toss anyhow... v Hikari Bliss used Seismic Toss. The substitute took damage for Claudia! Claudia used Roar. Anonymous switched in Hikari Elf (lvl 100 Azelf). The hail continues to fall. Hikari Elf is pelted by hail! Hikari Elf lost 6% of its health. Claudia absorbed the hail! --- Let's scare her away once again! v Hikari Elf used Zen Headbutt. The substitute took damage for Claudia! Claudia's substitute faded! Claudia used Blizzard. Hikari Elf lost 57% of its health. Anonymous's Hikari Elf fainted. The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! --- And a Blizzard in your face, Ms. Hikari Elf > v Anonymous switched in Hikari Bliss (lvl 100 Blissey ?). Claudia used Substitute. Claudia lost 25% of its health. Claudia made a substitute! Hikari Bliss used Flamethrower. The substitute took damage for Claudia! The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Claudia's leftovers restored its health a little! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. --- It's just between you and me, Ms. Hikari Bliss! Mhm, Natural Cure won't save anyone now. And thanks to Toxic Spikes, that egg's not going to win v Claudia used Protect. Claudia protected itself! Hikari Bliss used Flamethrower. Claudia protected itself! The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Claudia's leftovers restored its health a little! Claudia restored 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 12% of its health. --- ...hail and poison takes its toll... v Claudia used Substitute. But it failed! Hikari Bliss used Flamethrower. The substitute took damage for Claudia! Claudia's substitute faded! The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 18% of its health. --- ...thankfully it's Toxic Poison... v Claudia used Protect. Claudia protected itself! Hikari Bliss used Flamethrower. Claudia protected itself! The hail continues to fall. Claudia absorbed the hail! Hikari Bliss is pelted by hail! Hikari Bliss lost 6% of its health. Hikari Bliss is hurt by poison! Hikari Bliss lost 8% of its health. Anonymous's Hikari Bliss fainted. wraith89 wins! Er... ouch. I guess that GG went in my favor. Interesting. I told you I won't go down without a fight! wraith89: gg wraith89: Anonymous: gg Tage: nice wraith89: Didn't expect that? Anonymous: Not really wraith89: Stallrein always does the trick wraith89: Want to know its set? Anonymous: Yea wraith89: Oh wait wraith89: family meeting wraith89: I'll bbl wraith89: Okay? wraith89: Good game Tage: lol Anonymous: ij Tage has left the room. Anonymous: ok FAQs 1) Is that Team Fimbulvetr? Yeah, the same old one I used to use. But they still need some work... 2) So what exactly is ladder playing? Well, in Shoddy you go to the "Find" tab and load up your team, and click Find Match. Then in a few seconds, all of a sudden you get challenged by someone. I don't know, at least that's what happened to me. I was testing stuff out and I got into a battle I didn't even want to be in. But still, I haven't seen Stallrein in action for ages. But for some reason, my ranking dropped after beating Anonymous... >.> But still, it was fun. I care nothing for numbers, so thank you Anonymous 3) What language is that weird thing in some of your comments? Korean 4) Now how does that Walrein work? She's a monster!! The only two Pokemon that can do this type of stalling in this metagame are Walrein and Breloom. Actually, Glalie and Ludicolo can do the same thing, but to a lesser extent. I'm sure there are others Walrein@Leftovers Bold Nature Ice Body 220 HP/X Def/At least 60 Speed to outspeed Skarmory in phazing, but you can put more if you feel the need to - Substitute - Protect - Roar - Surf/Blizzard/Toxic So here's how it works. First of all, Hail is ABSOLUTELY necessary to make this work. Without hail, Stallrein will NOT work. 220 HP EVs hit 416 HP, which is divisible by 16. You make a substitute, it cuts your HP off by 25%, which ends up being 104, which is quite sturdy, and enough to take hits from even Seismic Toss. After Leftovers, you regain 26 HP, and with Ice Body, you gain an extra 26 HP, which ends up 52 HP altogether after you used Substitute. Then you Protect. Protect will give you an extra 26 HP from Leftovers and an extra 26 HP from hail. Then, you have regained 104 HP altogether, which means you are at the same health you were at before! So then you can Substitute again, and Protect, and continue the chain, and you have effectively 32 turns of stalling. However, to make this work, you'll want to set up Toxic Spikes first, get rid of Leftovers from stuff, and eat spin away entry hazards (which is why TENTACRUEL is recommended for a team like this). Also, get something to deter Hippowdon and Tyranitar (Abomasnow can deal with the Hippo and sometimes T-tar, but I brought in Swampert to take the T.rex down). Remember to Protect Abomasnow at all costs! (I didn't do a good job on that btw, but I hope this one can encourage you to try to create a hail team of your own). What to NOT switch Walrein into: STAB Close Combat from a Heracross hurts. 'nuff said. And other Fighting types similar to that I guess. What Walrein should not outstall: Articuno and other related bulky ice or waters are tough to stall out, particularly Articuno because it is actually faster. This ice bird has stalling powers like you've never seen before. TLDR: Just use 220 HP/240 Def/48 Speed Bold nature Ice Body Leftovers Walrein with PERMAHAIL and continue to Substitute/Protect for 32 turns. 5) So how do you make a hail team? I'll write a guide soon, maybe. I'm not an expert at this... but I can tell you one thing: do NOT fill your team with all Ice teams. Just because it's a hail team doesn't mean you need Ice immunity to work it. Abomasnow is a definite yes to a hail team... so you'll want 3-4 Pokemon that works well in hail and 2-3 Pokemon to destroy the counters for hail. That's all I'll say, and btw my team falls to Alakazam (that monster is too strong!) >.> 6) You idiot! Why do you run Blizzard on your Walrein? I don't know, and frankly I don't care. Between Surf and Blizzard, I alternate, so it doesn't matter to me anyways. Thanks to: Anonymous: For sparking my interest in Team Fimbulvetr again so that I can fix it up to fit into the Platinum metagame even more Walrein: For working her magic again Blissey: For being such a tough opponent Abomasnow: For setting up hail Mamoswine: For actually taking down 2 Pokemon and severely injuring another Snow Cloak: For actually working for once Tentacruel: For setting up Toxic Spikes and getting rid of Blissey's leftovers Froslass: For trying (I'm thinking of using Sash instead, hmmm...) Swampert: For trying... (Energy Ball Gengars, hmmm... maybe I do need Rindo Berry) You: For reading. I think this "stall battle" went fairly quickly. Too much stuff OHKOing things here and there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Ugh! It's that same stall tactic you used on me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraith89 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Ugh! It's that same stall tactic you used on me! It stalled out five Pokemon before... Bottom line: Stallrein is evil > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Exactly. You used the same cheap, dirty trick on me >: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraith89 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) It's not cheap You swept 4 of my 6 Pokemon because of 1) Critical hits (Lady Fortuna hates me so much, ask everyone here) 2) Focus Blast HIT me 3) I was sloppy in early-game 4) You happened to have the right Hidden power on your Pokemon (I have no idea how) 5) You won anyways when I decided to just "okay I'll stop subbing and protecting since it's annoying her so terribly :D" So that was the only way I'd do anything significant near the end anyhow Ok, never mind what I said in the beginning. So it was cheap >.< But does that mean I should stop Walrein from running one of its most potential sets? Keep in mind Walrein's fully evolved, and like poor Pidgeot, it doesn't have much chance to shine with its unimpressive "I-am-so-outclassed-by-Lapras" stats. But we can fix that by abusing its Ice Body ability. I didn't invent this set of course... but Stallrein = win I will SO make non-impressive Pokemon shine > List of non-impressive Pokemon: - Pidgeot - Raticate - Farfetch'd - Dewgong - Cloyster - Muk - Articuno <--- did a couple of times - Furret <-- Para and I did a couple of times - Corsola - Politoed <3 - Delcatty - Magcargo <--- somehow done - Delibird <--- accomplished by Shogun Ryu - Mantine - Mightyena - Whiscash - Tropius - Kecleon - Walrein <--- done many times - Bibarel <--- done a few times - Chatot - Shaymin (Land forme) - and a few more... Many of them here can be managed, some can't, but I'll still try Edited July 8, 2009 by wraith89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaDoX65 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Wow....Stallwrein is just.....UGH! I hate it when he gets set up >.< Anyway, Great battle! Since you and Ray both have a hail team, maybe I shoud make one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJFLA Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Ah, another stallrein victory. Will she ever lose??? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Ah, another stallrein victory. Will she ever lose??? Probably not. Stallrein can and does lose... it just takes a bit of wise decision-making when setting your teams up. your best bets are to either 1) Phaze stallrein, forcing it to leave the battlefield after hurting itself by making a substitute (options here include roar/whirlwind/yawn/encore) 2) hit it hard and fast (before it can set up a sub). Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, and Vacuum wave (or, if you're THAT scared of subprotect sets, feint) all accomplish this feat nicely (you eventually get a strong hit in while stallrein is trying to set its own sub up again, or 3) change the weather. I cannot emphasize the change that weather can have on the battle. Change hail to sand, and next thing you know, stallrein loses its ice body healing AND is taking damage from the sandstorm, negating even its lefties healing. Abomasnow is the key to hail teams, and keeping the weather from being a factor will help you win often. While it may not be a common occurrence, preparing for unorthodox teams can save your team from an untimely demise. If I've just exploited Stallrein's weaknesses and ruined its use for you, wraith, then I'm sorry. I'm just trying to inform the others here of some things that maybe aren't thought of when they throw a team together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraith89 Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 Stallrein can and does lose... it just takes a bit of wise decision-making when setting your teams up. your best bets are to either 1) Phaze stallrein, forcing it to leave the battlefield after hurting itself by making a substitute (options here include roar/whirlwind/yawn/encore) 2) hit it hard and fast (before it can set up a sub). Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, and Vacuum wave (or, if you're THAT scared of subprotect sets, feint) all accomplish this feat nicely (you eventually get a strong hit in while stallrein is trying to set its own sub up again, or 3) change the weather. I cannot emphasize the change that weather can have on the battle. Change hail to sand, and next thing you know, stallrein loses its ice body healing AND is taking damage from the sandstorm, negating even its lefties healing. Abomasnow is the key to hail teams, and keeping the weather from being a factor will help you win often.While it may not be a common occurrence, preparing for unorthodox teams can save your team from an untimely demise. If I've just exploited Stallrein's weaknesses and ruined its use for you, wraith, then I'm sorry. I'm just trying to inform the others here of some things that maybe aren't thought of when they throw a team together. There are so many ways Stallrein can be defeated X_X Doesn't really matter Milo, we all know what beats it But if you save the surprise until late game, the opponent can be thrown off. And as you said, Abomasnow is key... making sure Aboma doesn't faint is a must... you build a team with Aboma and Walrein (and maybe another Ice) and three others that counter their counters, such as a Tyranitar counter (Aboma can easily take down Hippo one on one) and all. Stallrein isn't invincible... but I wouldn't use Feint. That's a very overspecialized move and isn't practical at all BulkyGyara's got nothing against Stallrein. Sure it can Taunt, but Blizzard can 3HKO it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 but I wouldn't use Feint. That's a very overspecialized move and isn't practical at all I wasn't necessarily saying it should be used, just that it DOES end up breaking the protect. I probably shouldn't have mentioned it, but I didn't want to leave anything out either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraith89 Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 Fun fact: Articuno can outstall Stallrein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Out-stall? You mean that's possible to do?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted July 14, 2009 Share Posted July 14, 2009 Fun fact: Articuno can outstall Stallrein I would guess that vappy can as well, with water absorb for surf-using variants and a resist to ice for blizzard variants. Wish healing keeps you from having to worry about the damage racking up, and you can just wait until stallrein can't attack anymore. Suicune does the same job almost as well (at least, resting variants of suicune). Calm mind boosts resistance to either attack rather well, rest will allow you to stall out more PP while keeping healthy, and pressure will ensure that stallrein is forced to wear out its subs/protects after only a few turns (surf gets to 12 uses, and blizzard will get 4). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraith89 Posted July 14, 2009 Author Share Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) I outstalled Suicune a couple of times though, but that's because of Toxic Spikes Articuno has spikes immunity to work with, so yeah... Crocune MIGHT though... BTW Sub and Protect are NOT affected by Pressure. Pressure only affects moves that affects the foe. Edited July 15, 2009 by wraith89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentFox Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Wraith .... i have accomplished wins with cloyster .... you dont need to do it :]( if proof is needed battle my cloyster ;] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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