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Ok, I was just thinking back to the differences between D/P and Pt and realized that there is such a difference in the gyms. In diamond and pearl I believe they were a lot weaker! Take a look at the first gym... Geodude and Onix are both at level 12 and they are the exact same types and share the same weakness, grass! I say grass just incase you chose the fire type starter this might be difficult. However, they are all weak against fighting type moves so a mach punch from monferno will crush them all. The highest there is a level 14 cranidos which shares the same weakness as its fellow combatants. Although this is the same as the gym in platinum I still think it is weak because the weakness is obvious and with a little training up to about level ten with a grass type, (chimchar evolve it) you can easily beat this gym. Could the creators at least find a way to make it difficult? The stealth rock signature attack wouldn't matter because you wouldn't have to switch out because you can sweep through this gym. My Luxio went in level 15, came out level 17 and beat the entire gym single handily! A luxio! That was in my pokemon pearl version. Are gyms supposed to be weak or what because this gym is weak. The second gym although it remains the same besides its design in platinum I think it is similar to the first gym, easy to beat. Its weakness being fire and flying type pokemon makes it a sinch to defeat. There is the starly you can catch in the beginning of the game and if you come in knowing wing attack or aerial ace your bound to sweep. Dont forget both dustox and beautifly learn gust, a flying type move, at an early level. Plus there is ponyta (in case you didn't choose the fire starter) Ponyta learns a fire type attack, ember, at level 16 at least in diamond and pearl. In platinum it learns flamewheel an even more powerful attack at level 15! Ember is learned back at level 10 in platinum. It is fairly simple to get a ponyta so why one wouldn't is beyond me. Then there is a big factor when it comes to taking on the gym without training, drifloon. You can catch a level 22 drifloon in diamond and pearl at the valley windworks on fridays. Drifloon will know gust and at a level 22 it will be the same level as roserade the highest level pokemon that gardenia will use. Gust is flying type move which will be a STAB attack for drifloon (at that level its pretty decent) so it should be a pretty decent sweep of that gym. Overall yet another easy gym. Then with the third gym...it gets different. In D/P its maylene in Pt. Its Fantina, the ghost trainer. This is what I think makes the gym leaders in platinum tougher because fantina was fought earlier. Maylene can be a very easy sweep, especially with a drifloon that knows gust. Drifloon will be immune to the fighting type moves of the foes and the ground type move of lucario, bone rush, the only thing drifloon will have to worry about is metal claw. However, a powerful gust can easily clean up. Plus with all the psychic pokemon you can catch like abra, (and get via trade) chingling, and meditite with those knowing some psychic type moves you wont have to worry about drifloon fainting because if the other two pokemon that didn't know metal claw are out then if drifloon does faint the psychic types can clean up. Plus dustox can learn confusion early on. Fantina on the other hand might prove to be more difficult because of the lack of dark types available but there are the ghost types like ROTOM which can be caught before the national dex and platinum. Plus there is drifloon again rearing his head. Dont forget the ever gassy gastly and evolved co. The 4th gym, crasher wake, (at least in d/p) can easily be beaten with the plethora of grass types and the electric types such as pachirisu and shinx + evolved forms. Annoyingly enough if you put all your effort into infernape then the grass type move, grass knot, that you got from gardenia will work great with infernape and crasher wake will fall faster then an elephant. Being that all of his water types are heavy grass knot will be really super effective on them. I do have to comment on the levels of crasher's pokemon in D/P. They are the exact same as maylene's! 27, 27, then 30. I mean at this point, because I've been training a lot. My highest pokemon in my restarted pearl version is drifblim (no surprise being that I'm obsessed with drifloon/and kind of the drifblim.) and Drifblim is a level 40 and I haven't even challenged maylene yet or gotten to veilstone because I've been training. Looking onward the next 4 I'm going to have a level advantage over! That's if I dont level up drifblim from now till I battle byron. I'm going to level him up because he's going to be in my gym battles before hand I'm still going to train. The ghost gym can easily be brought down with ghost type team. Like my gengar and drifblim are currently higher then fantina's and mismagius shares the same level with her mismagius. Its going to be a peace of cake making it through. By then I'll have a major level advantage over byron and the rest of the gyms. Byron can easily be brought down by the flames of rapidash/infernape and the ground power of graveler/golem. Byron's top level pokemon is a level 39 with his bastiodon. That's only 9 levels higher then lucario and floatzel maylene and crasher's best pokemon. Plus all that training you do on the way with a type advantage too you can easily destroy that gym. Then the 7th gym is going to burn to the ground by the power of rapidash/infernape. Other pokemon would be good to. The only problem might be medicham but throw in a ghost type or a dark type and lets see what happens to that psychic warrior. A sneasel caught up in snow point knowing a dark type move can bring down medicham and then flames will burn through the snow and grass that is the snowpoint gym. The hardest part of that gym may very well be the puzzle. The 8th gym. Wow, send in ground types and your done basically. I think the gyms are incredibly weak and can easily be destroyed. They should be harder so someone who took complete advantage of the gyms weaknesses doesn't get to the elite four and then they get creamed because their highest level pokemon is like in the 50s because that's all it took to beat the gyms. Maybe I train my pokemon to much when I dont need to at this point...I dont know what it is but I think the gyms are too weak. Are they meant to be weak because it sure didn't help me the first time through when I came up to the elite four. My pokemon were so under leveled because that's all it took for the gyms. The elites creamed me until I finally got my pokemon up to speed and then even with that it was a close match. Does anyone else see this. What do you think of this? I'm wondering if the gyms are supposed to be weak? So what do you think?

Didn't you hate how easy the gym leaders were (aside from Whitney's killer Miltank)? This is just a theoretical proposal to make each and every Gym Leaders challenging in-game. If there are any objections... or if stuff looks too hard, let me know. Johto Gym Leaders Falkner: Comparison Video: Bugsy: Comparison Video: Whitney: Comparison Video: Morty: Comparison Video: Note: I lost to him before when I didn't bring my Butterfree >_< Chuck: Comparison Video: Jasmine: Comparison Video: Pryce: Comparison Video: Clair: Comparison Video: The Elite 4: First Round Will: Koga: Bruno: Karen The Champion... Lance: Kanto Gym Leaders Lt. Surge: Sabrina: Erika: Janine: Misty: Brock: Blaine: Green (Blue in US): BONUS: Red: Theoretical: Blue (Leaf in US) Coming soon: - Kanto Leaders - Elite 4 - Rematches

Combee power..never underestimate the bee! I played pearl again and had a little fun battling maylene and I thought I'd share it with you [sprite]415[/sprite] VS [sprite]307[/sprite] Combee level 36 VS Meditite level 27 Combee used air cutter...meditite avoided the attack Meditite used meditate Meditite's attack rose ______________ The honey bee will blow you into oblivion you meditating pokemon! Combee used air cutter Its super effective (brings down into yellow) Meditite used meditate Meditite's attack rose _____________________ Combee's winning! Combee uses gust Meditite faints ____________ Yes go combee sting him to a pulp! Combee level 36 VS level 27 Machoke [sprite]415[/sprite] VS [sprite]067[/sprite] Combee used Air cutter its super effective critical hit (only one HP point left for machoke) Machoke used karate chop its not that very effective (loses 9HP) _______________ Yay now maylene will foolishly heal! So I can just humiliate her machoke again Leader maylene used a super potion (fully restored machoke now ugh) Combee used gust Its super effective (machoke is now in the green because gust isn't the greatest stab attack) _______________________ Ah if only it was a critical hit -.- Combee used air cutter its super effective (machoke almost dead) Machoke used foresight Machoke identified combee ______________________ You die now machoke! Combee used gust Machoke fainted Combee grew to a level 37! Yay level up! _____________________ Go combee its your birthday its your birthday! [sprite]415[/sprite] VS [sprite]448[/sprite] Combee level 37 VS Lucario level 30 .... Combee used air cutter (stupid steel side! it hardly did a thing!) Lucario used force palm (brings down just a tad) _____________________ Criticals, berries, and a powerful metal claw Combee used air cutter Critical hit (yes!) Lucario restored its health with a sitrus berry (crap!) Lucario used metal claw (crap it almost killed me) Combee restored itself with an oran berry (yes but my bee is almost dead >.>) ______________________ come on hang in there! Combee used air cutter Lucario used metal claw Lucario's attack missed (yes the bee could do it after all!) ___________________ it missed you can still do this combee! Combee used air cutter Lucario used metal claw Combee faints (NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!) I guess not -__________- ___________________ well the fun ended but now drifblim gets to pown [sprite]426[/sprite] VS [sprite]448[/sprite] Drifblim level 40 VS Lucario (low health) level 30 I could've done this gym easily but I wanted to have fun with combee :tongue: Drifblim used ominous wind...lucario faints _____________________ Combee rocked! Yay go combee (nicknamed honey bee...) "Bees aren't meant to sweep" ~Wraith89 after he swept me with beedrill >.> Comments? ________________________

Toughest gym? In sinnoh of course which one do you think it is? I think it is either fantina or that steel type guy. I think they were both tough especially in platinum. They are the only gym leaders I've lost to in platinum so far. What about you? Edit: This is in relation to platinum I hope this brings about good discussion!