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So knowing that our Wraith89 is departing from us i cannot help but make a thread like the ones he used to make. So the weekly brawl will be between the first generation's grass type starter's final evolution against the fourth generations final grass starter's evolution. Venusaur: [sprite]003[/sprite] [shinysprite]003[/shinysprite] HP: 80 Attack: 82 Defense: 83 Sp. Attack: 100 Sp. Defense: 100 Speed: 80 Advantages: + It is partly Poison type so moves from that type do normal damage and is immune to poisoning attacks. + Has bigger Sp. stats + Can learn Sleep Powder, Poison Powder and Stun Spore + It finds a way to boost its Sp. Attack. + It is the final evolution of one of the most famous Pokemon ever. Disadvantages: - Being Poison type makes it weak to Psychic and Ground type moves. - Has slightly weaker defense. - Limited movepool. Torterra: [sprite]389[/sprite] [shinysprite]389[/shinysprite] HP: 95 Attack: 109 Defense: 105 Sp. Attack: 75 Sp. Defense: 85 Speed: 56 Advantages: + Has a Higher Attack and Defense. + Learns Ground attacks without the need of a TM helping deal with steel type based opponents. + Has decent HP + Learns moves that other Grass type have to breed to get. + Being Ground makes it immune to Electric type attacks. Disadvantages: - Being Ground type makes it take twice the damage from Ice type moves and normal damage from other not effective against Grass attacks. - Has significantly low speed making it almost certain to hit last. - Receives normal damage from Water based attacks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I personally prefer Venosaur because it is the first Pokemon's number final evolution. And that requires respect. No to mention that it is still being used and i really enjoyed how it saved me in pinches.