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I mean, there's a huge difference between having next to nothing to do after beating the E4, and having at least some stuff.

D/P/Pt had the whole battle island at the top-right that had a few story elements in it, and more importantly imo, higher level routes and towns to hang out at. The higher level wild Pokémon and re-match-able trainers were really nice, and you were given an incentive to keep playing after the Elite Four with the PokéRadar, even if you weren't interested in battling.

The PokéRadar-exclusive Pokémon in each route gave a reason to go back everywhere if you were interested in collecting, or if you like shinies. If you preferred battling, every trainer in the game levels up to fairly high levels after enough re-matches with the Vs. Seeker and there was Battle Tower with several different modes (and later on, the whole Battle Frontier.) Platinum even gave us higher level E4 rematch with more varied E4 rosters.

They gave us the Underground where we could mess around in for hours just digging, and there was even new treasure to find added to it once you beat the Elite Four, giving you even more reasons to go back even if you already spent hours there before beating the game. New fossils to find for the collectors, for the most part.

There were contests, you could plant berries around to get more and make Poffin playing that minigame, working on increasing your contest stats so your Pokémon could have a better chance at winning. Heck you could spend a lot of time collecting accessories too.

That and I guess there's also a bunch of legendaries you unlock in the post-game, but that's the kind of thing you spend 15 minutes on each and then you're done so those don't really weight all that much.

There's already been a good precedent imo. There was lots of replay value in Gen. IV that was simply not present in any future Gens. and that's a real disappointment.

I mean Gen. V had a bunch of new areas open up post-game, and Battle Subway was as good as Battle Tower, but other than that it's missing a lot of things that made Gen. IV post game so good.

I don't think we should be defending the lack of post-game stuff to do in X/Y, and apparently Sun/Moon from what I'm saying there, by saying that "Pokémon has never been known for good post-game and replay value", because we know that Game Freak can do way better than the complete absence of anything we were given in Gen. 6/7

The least they could do in X/Y was give us higher-level E4 rematch and they didn't even bother to do that. Does Sun/Moon have a higher-level E4 rematch in post-game, at least? That would at least make spam-running the E4 more interesting...

Gosh I need to replay Platinum.

Tldr: gen 4 best gen remakes when

(Coz I totally agree)

In the 11.2 or whatever it is Homebrew, the workaround for extracting saves is selecting Bank with your cartridge in. If you select the game title it won't work.

Oh... i'm so used to CFW haha.

So, once I get my cartridges and get the save extracted, there are a few things PKHex can do already? Mystery gift is good. I can get Mangearna after Japan's or Europe's is dumped. Are there any Pokemon currently able to be genned?

Will JKSM let me extract the save even though bank doesn't have the Sun/Moon update yet?

Yes.. Bank is a completely different working entity to pkhex and JKSM and in no way is it related ever. Not sure what made you assume this... I mean JKSM does way more than just pokemon games

Yes.. is the only thing i hear after passed the game :/// ok, can be a funny quest to do... But after all the game you only goes to catch UB's and make NOTHING after that. is disapointed...

And about my first question, you know Something? you know as the game is not a good postgame, for me, At least good battles.

Pokemon has never been known for its extensive post game story and replay value. The delta episode was quite special and I'm still in the camp that says the main reason behind it was a nod to Pokemon Emerald and Rayquaza needing a big role in the Hoenn story. On top of that they needed something to explain the origin of Mega Evolution and what better place to put the origin than putting it at a mysterious Pokemon who roams the Ozon layer which even today scientists haven't fully figured out.

That said, the real replay value is indeed in what you said - battling. The competitive scene moves the Pokemon community forward and keeps it alive once we are through the story. And along with battling there is of course the hacking scene which offers randomizers and hackroms and there are challenges such as nuzlocke challenges.

After all that you have said.. You have finished the game, right? I'm playing now the Sun.. and i have several questions about that game...

1- After i finished the game, i can fight again with Trial's captain or Kahuna Leader(And randon trainers in the game.)??

2- i've made that question many many times for the guys in various foruns, and anyone can answer me with propriety. What? What we can do of interesting after passed all the game?

Thank you, bro.

I haven't yet but as for 2 - there is an ultra beast related post game story with Looker.

"Level up at electric rock" which is in a cave right after the fourth Kahuna.

oml that's so late in the game! Well eviolite charjabug until then it is I guess.

Has it been discovered how you can get Cosmog yet? I want a second Lunala

Friend of mine actually figured that out and I posted on his behalf on /r/pokemon about it earlier today. Check it out: https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/5cm811/spoiler_how_to_get_a_secret_pokemon_post_game_on/

Also question to everyone - is it known or can it be figured out how for the love of arceus Charjabug evolves? The only info we got is "Level up at electric" whatever the heck that may mean and it sure as heck isn't just level up...