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According to the common knowledge passed around, since there's no technical relationship between the PID and IVs, ANY PID and IVs can be used. Even if they just happen to be related in a coincidental way.

If you mean the completely random one it can generate, PokeGen does the same thing if you leave the PID editbox blank. It's generated solely based on the information you provide and not by any sort of game-related algorithm.

Hmm, I see. Thanks for the quick and insightful responses!

Very nice program. I think it's my new favorite

Editing them manually just invites user error even more than is already possible. I've considered adding a VIEWER for the raw data, but it's not exactly high on my list of things to do.

As far as I know, there is no algorithm used for eggs. I don't personally think this is entirely correct, I just think nobody has done any conclusive research on it yet. Someone else might be able to give more information though.

The IVs aren't contained IN the PID, they're just RELATED to the PID in that the PID and IVs all come from the same RNG seed.

Their IVs are supposedly unrelated to the PID.

Thanks for the fast response!

I like the raw data viewer idea; I decided to make a Groudon caught in SoulSilver with PokeSav instead of PokeGen because I couldn't be 100% sure if all of the hex values would be correct, and I wasn't sure how I could even check them.

So... if their IVs are supposedly unrelated to the PID, then if you have an egg that is hatched with a PID that relates the IVs, wouldn't this be suspicious?

While I don't hold PokeSav in the highest regard, it does seem to have some kind of PID generator for egg hatched pokemon. I haven't done any research whatsoever to see how it generates the PID or whether or not its a 'legal' PID, but it seems that a generated PID for egg pokemon would be less suspicious than an egg with a PID that relates to its IVs.

This program is great. I mean really great.

At first I was nervous about this program because you can't edit the hexadecimal values yourself (i would advise possibly adding this feature in), but then I found out the program does it for you.

I do have one question, though:

For creating a hatched egg pokemon, which algorithm should be used?

The way I understand it, algorithm 1 (A-B-C-D) is used for caught pokemon, and includes the pokemon's IVs in the PID. Hatched egg pokemon's PIDs should not contain any information about their IVs; isn't this correct?

Anyways, if I am mistaken, please clear me up on this. And thanks for the great program and the help!

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I just checked a Pineco I caught in Ilex Forest, and its 85h is 05... for caves? I guess forests classify as caves. 05 should be the same for Viridian, they're both forests.

It's just DayCareCouple. Just like Platinum, the 44h and 45h would be D0 and 07, respectively. Farawayplace is only for locations not in D/P.

I got confused reading the last part, can't really say anything there. Sorry.

Hatched Pokemon shouldn't use PID/IV generator. The random generator is what they need.

Embedded Tower Kyogre/Groudon have 05 as their 85h. Hall of Origin Arceus is also 05.

Some legends can be confusing... Lugia is caught in water that's inside a cave, but its 85h is 07, for water. Really, that's the only sort of time where I'd say it's complicated, even then not so much.

Wow; great information, thank you very much!!

I do have one more question; i'm new at this, thanks for your kindness!

I am trying to create a Togekiss 'hatched from an egg,' but it keeps telling me that I found the egg from DayCareCouple and that it was hatched at the location DayCareCouple.

I am putting it as the following (using Pokesav):

Met in Place: DayCareCouple (2000)

Egg Hatched at: Faraway Place (3002)

Hidden Hexadecimal values:

44h: D0 45h: 07 <-- to specify that it came from the DayCareCouple (2000)

46h: 83 47h: 00 <-- to specify that it hatched in Goldenrod City

85h: 00 <-- to specify that it is a 'hatched' pokemon

86h: 04 <-- put it in a pokeball, because thats the only ball for a hatchling.

I have a feeling I've got something wrong in the hexadecimals, maybe in 44h/45h or perhaps in 46h/47h.

Anyone know where I've gone wrong?

This question may or may not have been answered, but I couldn't find it, so any help would be appreciated:

For HG/SS Pokesav 'hatched' pokemon in HG/SS, do you put DayCareCouple (2000) for Met At, or do you put Faraway Place (3002) for Met At? and is Pokemon DayCare (100) exclusively the DayCare from D/P?

I thought DayCareCouple (2000) would be the DayCare from D/P, and that HG/SS might use the exact same code for it. I then thought that maybe it should be Faraway Place (3002), and that the 44h, 45h, 46h and 47h hidden hexadecimal values should take care of distinguishing that it was from the DayCare Couple.

This is interesting to me because it seems like if you note that a Pokemon's hometown is from Johto, but then pick the DayCareCouple from D/P, if it is exclusive to D/P, then it should trigger a legality checker that pings hexadecimal values and 'met at' locations for a Pokemon egg.

Another thing, if you use a proper PID for an egg pokemon, that is, use the PID/IV generator to come up with a legal combination that corresponds with the IVs, is it suspicious/illegal? I know (think) that egg pokemon PID has nothing to do with their IVs, so should the random PID generator be used instead of the PID/IV generator?

Thanks to anyone who lends some insight or spares their time to read this!

ADD:

Also, what about 85h values for strange places, specifically like catching Groudon/Kyogre in Hidden Tower? It is very easy to determine 85h values for some pokemon, but it is hard to create others, like the legendaries. What is a 'caught' Arceus' 85h value supposed to be?

Thanks again!