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Please watch your language when posting Illithian. Saying stuff like that in real life like that slips so it can be excused, but on the Internet, you can fix it whenever possible.

That article did mention stellar evolution I guess, which is really in the astronomy fields. From what I recall, there are six types of evolution, five of which I am going to keep reading upon. I know for a fact microevolution is a fact.

The evolution you are thinking of is the biological type, which is Darwin's. I have yet to read that whole article, but you'd be surprised what people in the astronomy field believe in.

"The Bible is true"

Some people do believe in that, and that statement has not been refuted yet nor has it been completely proven. The Jewish Levites were known to be great recorders of the history, I wouldn't doubt their skills in preserving things. One mistake and they would have to toss their manuscript on fire.

"Water came before the atmosphere."

How do you know this? What evidence is there to show that?

well, assuming that you are talking about earth's atmosphere as we know it today, the bacteria that produced the oxygen in the earth's atmosphere needed water to survive.

EDIT: "In all honesty, that article is complete bullshit."

You're mocking me by saying that I don't know science? Oh, believe me, I study science, but evolution is no science. Your modern science is filled with faulty assumptions and is going on a dangerous path. There is NO basis for evolution. So if you have many things that have the same DNA or whatnot, you'd say "oh they're related!" But it can also suggest the case for a common creator. *gasp* You mean... God? Yes, an absolute! What's the matter? Can't face the fact an absolute being exists?

What the hell does this even mean? It should be noted that science does not exist to mindlessly support its theories, but to observe and draw conclusions about said observations. If there is something found tomorrow that actually disproves evolution, I will not hesitate to start to base my beliefs around that. To make this post justifiable, lets just list off some stuff that supports evolution:

• fossil records show that species have indeed slowly changed over time
  
• you can literally SEE evolution happening in some bacteria.
  
• DNA and RNA are similar in different organisms that appear to be similar, and your argument that states that they could have a common creator makes no sense at all. It defies all of the research that has been put into biology for the last 100 years.
  

Not to mention that most cancer treatment (most notably breast cancer) is based upon the mutations in your genes (evolution!!!), AND IS ENTIRELY BASED UPON THE CONCEPTS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DEBUNK!!! guess what! These treatments work! I live in Portland, and know some of the people at OHSU (which has one of the leading cancer programs in the world) who do this research, so trust me, I know what I'm talking about. No offense, (I actually don't mean that, I'm not to worried about offending you) but you seem to be WAY in over your head here.

Oh and look, I can use dumb formatting for extra emphasis too!

I personally don't like the themes much. I mean they look nice and everything, but they're just kinda distracting. I just use the vbulletin default one. I trust it will still be here, right?

OK, whoa, wraith89; I never said that science was right and special creation was wrong; I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way. What I meant to say was that there could have been special creation, I just believe that Darwin's theory was correct. And, now, of course, chickens supposedly evolved from T. Rexes. That does seem a bit odd... But, really. I know Pokémonfan said that there was never a transspecies fossil found; that doesn't mean that there aren't any. I'm sorry, I just believe that things evolved, because if a divine force helped us, where did that divine force come from? Was it created by another? Because if that happened, the one that created ours was probably created by another, which was most likely created by another, and so on and so on. I'm not gonna get in the way of your beliefs, and this is starting to be too philisophical for me. So, uh... Bye, people.

EDIT: Like Endiku said:

I totally agree with this.

Oh yeah. /end rant.

There is nothing "philosophical" about this. Belief in anything really should be grounded in reality. When all the evidence points in one direction, and people still think otherwise, it is usually called stupidity. People really need to stop bending over backwards like this and stand up for what all evidence points toward.

And that other post simply makes you seem more jesus addicted. Seriously, it's not something to be proud of.

Well, retarded simply meant slow before it meant anything pertaining to mental disorders, and by the nature of the human race you can assume that it was used as an insult before then.

Also, your comment about "thinking everyone gives a damn about what you say, saying OH HEY LOOK AT THIS!" is looking pretty hypocritical right now... >.>

I was a rebel back in high school and used Firebird when it came out (v 0.7) and nowadays, Firefox seems to be the standard browser now. And yeah, Opera is better for the most part... I'm guessing.

choosing a browser has to do with functionality, not popularity. Just by the way, IE is still most used not that it should be.

Hi syberia.

So we all know that somehow this world we all live in today, the entire universe came to be. The complexities of everything right down to mitosis all had to happen somehow. So how do you think that it happened. Darwin's theory has something to do with ooze that became X which became X which became X which became X and so on and then X turned into us or humans. The bible states that God created everything in 6 days on the 7th day he rested. I think those are the two main ones on the subject of creation. Please post your opinion and back up your answer...now for mine...

Right into your first paragraph you have already shown that you know nothing about evolution. Ya for you. The way life (in all acceptable probability) started off is carbon forming bonds with other elements to form what we call organic compounds. Some of these compounds formed the various building blocks of life (deoxy ribonucleic acid and ribonucleic acid to name a few) these molecules mutated over time and the organisms around them started to change (because proteins are the final manifestation of genes)

You see I believe in the bible. I think it makes more sense and I believe the bible to be 100% truth. The actual probability that over billions and billions of years the universe fell into the precise location it lies in is just inprobable. The actual idea that over billions of years the earth formed into the exact location it is now in order to sustain life. If our planet was just a little bit off where it is now life would be unable to exist! The actual theory that life came from inanimate ooze that was zapped by who knows what is just well 0.

First of all, the universe is not in an "exact position". It is a well known and well documented fact that, one: the universe and bodies withing the universe (galaxy clusters, nebulae, etc...) are constantly moving, and two: the universe is expanding constantly. And the idea that one planet out of many (there are an estimated 70 sextillion (or 7x10^22) stars in the universe, and it is safe to assume that many of them have more then one planet, even if we can not see them well) having the capability to support life is completely plausible, seeing as as we can see it right now there are probably two main necessities for life, those necessities being a heat/electromagnetic radiation emitting energy source, and dihydrogen monoxide. And I think I already discussed why your "opinion" about "inanimate ooze" is complete and utter BS.

The scientists that back this thing say that miracles are impossible because they dont see it and it is not able to be replicated. Well....what about your ooze! Did you see it? "well know it was X years ago no one was around..." is it able to be replicated? "Well know it is a once in an existance thing it can only happen once..." well then you are incorrect by your own basis.

It can and it has been replicated to an extent, under circumstances that were vary much like what was on early earth. The other thing is that miracles don't happen in the first place, which is why they cannot be replicated.

Well you know how they say that the ooze goes to X and then X well then how come there is not a single legit fossil record of a transspecies creature? Your answer-because they dont exist. The whole theory in my opinion is nonsense and the guy who made it up and his offspring are now filthy rich because of it and because of money no one is able to stop them.

For one thing it is easy to see evolution happening today. Some bacteria reproduce so quickly that you can literally SEE them evolving. You don't need a fossil record to prove that, when its happening under your very eyes. Also were you aware that there have been many religions that have only been enormous money making schemes? (The most notable one being the catholic church.)

There are a lot of wholes in the theory and the earth does not top 10000 years of age. The bible has the answers and I believe to be the greatest historical record in the history of man kind. The whole evolution thing just has to many wholes to believe in. Ok, there is my argument. Now what do you say?

Lets clear something up here. many of the facts in the bible have been PROVEN to be 100% wrong. For example, lets look at the jew's escape from Egypt. Not only was one man parting a huge lake a physical impossibility at the time, but after the Jews got away from egypt, they went from city to city. The catch? Many of these cities did not exist simultaneously. The whole thing about them conquering the "holy land"? Archeological records show that they Jews were an ingenious group in the so called "holy land" one of the things that actually set them apart the earliest is their practice of not eating pork, as is evidenced by the lack of pig bones in ancient Jewish fire pits, in contrast to those of other natives. So now you're probably asking yourself: "why would you make up a big story like that anyway?" Well, do you know how you claimed land back then? You conquered it. Claiming to have taken the holy land by force was as good as a title deed for the Jews. The entire thing looks like it was put together by a whole bunch of not very well informed theologians. It was.

That's me answer earth, is placed perfectly, if it's a tiny bit near the sun, we would all burn up, and if earth was a little bit further, we would all freeze, i think it's strange, that the ooze, or whatever, thought of an idea of putting the earth there, i know it's God's doing.

Already been discussed

If you have visited church, people are getting saved, either emotionally, or physically, like last Sunday, we had an Healing Service, and this one boy, he was deaf at birth, or something, which made him have to use a hearing aid, when it was his turn to get prayed for, and healed, the pastor shouted to take off his hearing aids, thus the pastor, and everyone around started praying, and the boy asks his mum why are people so loud, and his mum started crying.

You know there is a possibility that he had ear damage at birth, or that there was some mutation in some homeotic gene that caused delayed hearing development. I would explain this now, but I don't feel the need to unless you really want to know what I'm talking about.

there has been numerous cases where the patient is healed, and the doctors are fumbling trying to figure out, like once there was a guy he was due to die from cancer like a week away, and when he asked for the prayer request, he miraculously healed, the doctor's were astonished, there wasn't any trace of Cancer left.

Cancer can die too you know. The other thing is that this kind of thing is often nothing more then urban legend, and thus should be taken with a grain of salt. But trust me, the laws of physics are not violated in normal hospitals

I believe wholeheartedly in the truth of Genesis.

This is not simply some religion for me. In fact, I don't follow a religion. I am a Christ-follower, a Christian as they may call them, in a very personal, very spiritual sense. It is my being and my everything.

This thing I have with God, it's a relationship. A real, true and powerful, intimate love relationship. Think of a newlywed man and woman, the passion they feel for each other and the zeal they have for life. That is me to my Lord and Saviour, Jesus.

In other words, this thing you have is a bunch of more or less arbitrary chemical and electronic signals in an organ that is the direct result of millions of years of genetic mutations. You are incredible my friend. One other thing: I really don't know how many newlywed people you have met, but all of my experinces with them have involved a LOT of sex (AKA hormonal action). Are you trying to say that you have a hormonal/sexual relationship with someone you can't see, feel, touch, or any other evidence of existence?

He was this guy who healed broken lives, and I have felt this healing in my life. He humbly laid His life down, and gave Himself to men to die an excruciating death on a Roman cross. And then, three days later, rose. Conquering death. He proved to even His own doubting disciples who He was, once again. Amazing.

have I not already discussed why the bible should be taken with a grain of salt? Try finding anything about Jesus' rebirth in roman records from that time, trust me, you will NOT find any.

That is Genesis. Birth. Death. Restoration.

genesis: physical impossibility. Birth: AKA sexual reproduction, a simple biological process. Death: cells ceasing to function. Restoration: In the case of rebirth, another physical impossibility.

God said let there be light, and there was light. Universe. One spoke word.

"Uni" = One and "Verse" = spoken word.

What does this even mean?

That is what I simply believe, nothing less. The signs are everywhere, His fingerprints detailed in our very blood. Nothing anyone could ever say will change this for me, because I simply know it is true, it screams it in my heart and in my mind. There's no going back. I am His. :]

This screams heroin addict to me. I have met them so I would know too.

only posting this down here so that the thing will let me post!

Who does that anyway?

I haven't encountered anyone who just bluntly attacks someone intentionally, Project Pokemon/Pokesav has respectful members, and if anyone who does go over the dark side, I'm pretty sure the mods would take care of it before we even realize.

Sometimes when people shout out <Insert Pokemon Here> is the best Pokemon, then the usual case is they're just joking around.

well, in any debate where there is one party that has all the evidence on their side and a few other people still hold out against all logic, there would be a little of this around. I'm sure you can think of some debates where this is true.

The other thing is that when people say something like "dude only fucking retards like totodile, real men prefer the notably more badass squirtle", then its a pretty obvious joke. Then again I'm not sure why anyone would ever get upset for being called stupid over the issue of what pokemon they like more.

There is no "think" involved here. That event does not take place in the game.

obviously the manaphy egg and darkrai in pokemon ranger

emerald of course! think about all the cool stuff you can do in it!

not quite sure if this is appropriate, but a code that simply made an egg be generated in the daycare would be nice (not like the one that you choose the nature and gender for)

just a quick piece of forum etiquette pokemonfan: don't PM people asking them to vote in polls.

(Just to let you know your all wrong o.0)