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Oddly I don't see those event flags on my latest version of PKHeX (Edit: oh you have 3-14, I have 2-14), but you should still check the event constants. I remember doing this manually a few years ago, it may help you out.

8 minutes ago, LieboOSBA said:

I’ve got the sav files dumped and used PKHex to save the pk1 files however if I upload them here, they’d be cloned loads of times. Is that going to be an issue?

Naturally any time we upload pokemon here they will be downloaded and used by a lot of people, so it's not an issue to us. If it's not an issue for you personally, feel free to upload them!

2 hours ago, LieboOSBA said:

Is there any issue with the trainer ID being unique for each one?

The "Mew Machines" distribute identical Mews, only with the TID's incrementing from 00001 with each Mew distributed.

We always welcome more Gen 1 and Gen 2 event pokemon here, so it will definitely be appreciated if you can share them.

11 hours ago, Allegedly137 said:

Darn, so  even for my own personal, never-will-trade collection they can’t go any farther than VC due to the transporter knowing it’s not legit, or would it somehow bug out the VC copy?

 And if any generous soul would be willing to let me borrow one of these GB USB devices I'd get these guys backed up a lot sooner than later.

If you'd like to ship me your cartridge to dump for you, you can send me a private message. I'm willing to help. If you'd rather me send you the dumper I understand, though I'm actively using for the time being, so it'd be quickest with the former option.

For credibility, I've done this before:

I just wanted to post this here. We have a new theoretical idea how these Mew/Celebi machines worked. In several posts I've made during the past years I've said it was probably a devcart inside a SGB2/SFC linked to a GBP. This was based on the fact you can see the SFC controller in photos, as well as a cartridge slot that looks like a GBP. Upon discovering the PCNY machine, our theory has changed. Partly, but not limited to, the fact the PCNY writer's cartridge slot has a faux-GameBoy plastic cover for that illusion. I'll leave out specific details for now, but basically the PCNY cartridge writer is called Machine 2. We think Machine 1 is possibly none other than the Mew/Celebi Machine, which would mean it could theoretically be a devcart in a SGB1/SFC with the cartridge writer plugged into Port 2. Upon learning how the PCNY machine works, this process makes the most sense to be the same case for these original machines. If none other than considering the fact they all support cartridges being constantly inserted/removed without the need of a system reboot, this theory stands very well.

Now even more so than in the past, I hope we will one day obtain the software and the cart writer used inside these machines, if not even an entire intact unit. If a few Machine 2s still exist in some form, then Machine 1s more than likely do as well. The question is how and when will they surface?

I was just sent this link via email, amazing news important enough for me to log in again and reply. This is the most important Pokemon distribution device to surface so far! I'm still curious about these things to know when they show up, even if they're of no use to me these days. I stand by willing to help if in need, or with any sort information related. Glad to see extraordinary finds are indeed not yet over and passed! Keep us updated.

On 6/24/2019 at 6:57 PM, theSLAYER said:

How easy was it!? Was custom hardware even needed?

The full details will become public when the team is ready, though I will tell you that it can be done by literally anyone, perhaps not costing anything since many people likely already have what is needed, bar the devcart. What made it seem so hard to achieve, and hard to believe it was easily doable, is that no information seems to be online on how to do so. People would just say, "oh, you need a rare and expensive gang writer unit and the proper software to do that", or something similar. Though after searching hard enough with certain keywords, a single piece of information will roughly tell you what you need to know to figure it out. I want to publicly thank YoshiMoshi who worked with me on figuring this out for the longest time. It may have taken us several years, but consider someone who got a head start on this around 2012, then once figuring it out, starts to buy devcarts relatively cheap, approx $100-$400, starts selling them for $1000-$2000 with a sought after rom on it, thus having a monopoly on something highly profitable since 2014/2015 that no one could prove was actually dishonest otherwise, and without forgetting to mention having some touch of immorality and selfishness, you can make quite a living. Karma comes around though.

Even though we shelled out quite a bit of money to this immoral machine, even after I knew the truth and acted like I didn't, in the end what we have is a sure death to that system as well as the data that made it possible being available to the entire fanbase.

I'm not even going to go into rebuttals on trading and all that, it's draining me thinking about it. When I retired I told myself I wouldn't focus any more of my energy on this, the entire scene took a huge toll on my mind over the years. What I will at least say quickly is that I have never ever seen a situation spring up where keeping one of these roms private allowed for a deal that wasn't somewhat dirty. Adding on to the reasons ajxpk said, in my experiences where the trade option was open, the deal is always either attempted to be vastly unfair to the other party, often mixed with lies and deception, or in the end gets nowhere and instead it becomes offered for an unreasonably inflated price due to said hoarding. I think ajxpk described the scene perfectly. Let's not even get into the hypocrisy of some supporting statements I've seen throughout my time involved. Some people keep up masks so you can't see they have ulterior selfish motives. This has been proven time and time again.

Do other roms/devices currently still exist in hiding among private collectors outside of Nintendo or Bergsala sources? Most certainly yes. I know the European Eon Ticket device and European Aurora Ticket device have been sold in the past. My leads only revealed who sold them a long time ago, circa 2014 if I recall correctly. Someone also owns a non-mass produced NDS device, something as rare and similar to the GBA units versus the loose specially produced carts we're familiar with when it comes to NDS distibutions. This one is out of grasp, but the info surrounding it, as well as those two GBA units, was passed on to the team individuals as disclosure to everything I could pass along. As I said before, I had no solid leads when I retired. Within my scope, Doel Deoxys was the end of the line. I guess that's symbolic if you analyze the name. I had no longer cared about any video games besides Pokemon for several years, and even that slowly diminished until my passion struggled to keep me motivated or interested until the last flame.

So is there a future in distribution and rarity preservation? I think perhaps for the community, yes. First and foremost, you have to have the passion, enough to unreasonably justify why you should allow yourself to be selfless enough to sacrifice so much to help the community and attempt to destroy the established scene. Even though in the end it perhaps seems to really not be worth it, how is it going to ever progress otherwise? Like Sabresite said, I'm not a greedy bastard. I've also told the team that everyone should really be watching Japanese auction sites like Yahoo Japan/Buyee and Mercari Japan. After all, that is how YoshiMoshi found Strongest Pokemon, among other rare Japanese demo stuff that has surfaced. The prices are tough to swallow, but that's why a team effort helps to pay for things. So many people want something for nothing, beg for it, but in the end don't want to contribute help. It makes the whole process very hard, but you can't let the selfish people allow the rest to suffer as a whole if you truly care about it. Understandably not everyone can afford it, but those who can should help if they believe in it. It is highly unlikely everything will ever be obtained, so as long as there are still things that never leaked from Nintendo, people will use it to justify hoarding. The most productive and relatively fastest route, is to buy them when they are in potential grasp, at whatever means necessary, to benefit the preservation community. No one person can keep up at this forever, but as long as there are people leading, new followers will be inspired and keep things going. History is steered and effected by those who act.

I think that is about all I wanted to say. I don't really have the time or energy to keep responding regularly, so I let it all out. I never really explained to people outside of the team why I was retiring, simply because there was never the time, place, or situation that called for it, nor have I ever been one to care about calling attention to myself. I left it at that. Though I have people emailing me from time to time about it, and understandably ghosting myself like that can be fairly confusing. This thread pretty much allowed me the opportunity to make this final closure and explanation to those who wondered, since the topic at hand is very much weaved into the same context. Now that Doel is finally being publicly discussed, I can lay it out in full. I may not be interested in this stuff anymore, but it doesn't mean I no longer care for the community. I'm glad to see things are still in the works regardless of my absence. I had previously left my email address visible on my profile if anyone needed to get in touch with me, and it still stands that I don't mind sharing information/advice on occasion.

Someone just sent me this link. I was wondering when/if people would find out this exists earlier than anticipated. I guess I'll clarify. We spent most of 2018 raising money to obtain this rom, which we finally did in September. It was a toss up between Doel and Strongest Pokemon Japanese NDS roms to release for the annual Christmas Pokemon rarity release. We opted on releasing Strongest Pokemon in 2018, and saving Doel for 2019, in hopes that it being more valuable may be handy for trade material if some sort of other ultra rare rom came to our attention during 2019. I did give the rom to all those who contributed, and told them not to share or talk about it publicly until it was released in December 2019. Naturally I'm trustworthy of anyone who is willing to help spend as much money as we needed for this thing.

There's a lot of information on how this rom works, how it is unique, and how to use it. Just possessing the original rom, and you wouldn't know what the hell you're supposed to do. That's kind of the truth though. Its nature also prevents anyone from being able to sell this as physical reproductions and get away with it. I don't think I'll release any of my notes or private posts explaining the rom details as of yet, that'll probably come out near Christmas if @InsaneNutter and others still plan to hold out until Christmas. It's no longer any of my concern.

Perhaps this spoiled you guys' Christmas, but that was the risk. When I retired from Pokemon and video games earlier this year, I had zero solid leads on obtaining anything else in 2019, and as far as I'm aware, there's still nothing on the horizon.

Since I'm logged in and on the topic, if anything to look out for, I did also privately provide our event preservation team with bombshell information detailing how these developer carts are EASILY rewritten, as well as a plethora of info an anonymous source passed onto me detailing the history of the infamous scammer who has specialized in creating and reselling these for years. I told them to try to release both pieces of information sometime this summer, I don't know if it has or when it will be, but I'm sure it will be seen relatively soon. Certain aspects of the infodump made me not want to be the one to do it earlier. But rest assured, once it is all out, the dirty market on these reproduction distribution carts will start declining until it is destroyed, just like what happened when we made the Mystery Mew savefiles public in 2016. After years of killing myself to obtain these roms, killing the market was the least I could do when I decided to up and leave. Don't EVER buy GBA distribution carts if your goal is to have "a piece of history", buy an Everdrive and use the publicly available roms instead.

I have one more semi-related cartridge label in need of translation:

On 1/28/2019 at 8:20 AM, XxPhoenix1996xX said:

Yeah, it's the same text.

What's it say in the box above 64Kbit? I didn't see that text on the other carts.

I'm going to ask a very similar translation request here since it doesn't warrant a new thread. Just want to know what all the Japanese text is saying:

Edit: It looks nearly identical to the text on YoshiMoshi's cart, with only unique text in the box above 64Kbit.

I've had an account there since September 2016 and don't recall any trouble setting it up... maybe its some kind of new feature?

Also, yes I do use my Gmail when making forum accounts.

Likelihood any of these savefiles are all long dead. Gen II events that aren't in Stadium, or already privately dumped, are lost for good.

I think if someone on this forum had one they'd be willing to contribute, they would have come forward already.

I always figure the main reason most people used the Stadium storage system was to back up their pokemon to start a new game without loosing them. Some may have been transferred back, some not. That's what you'll usually see in storage, tons of random pokemon. I figure some Celebis went through this process. Like you said, some people probably know what they have. Though when they no longer care, the cart will end up somewhere with a new owner, by internet or locally, whether we find it or not. I'm sure there's some out there.

It's a very hard goal, but dedication usually pays off. At least, it's something we can aim to achieve within the coming years. I'm personally sick of spending money on this stuff, so I'd rather look towards finding a private collector to deal with... if possible lol...

In regards to the clock message you mention, idk. My Crystal gave me clock reset messages upon boot for a couple years before it actually lost the savefile. It must have had trouble retaining the RTC data with the battery getting weaker, but with any other cartridge their deaths came with no warning. It was odd. All I know is when the battery drains totally, there's zero power running through the cart to retain any RAM, so the savefile will be gone regardless of seeing a message or not.

What bothers me is that when these guys retire, many will likely completely stop caring about doing further trading/collecting, yet still keep these things under lock and key years later to be forgotten. Though those that are still into trading and have one of these, I don't think it would hurt to have at least ONE Japanese Celebi public in the meantime. If anyone reading this has one, I would be willing to negotiate a fair variety from my private stuff just to allow one Japanese Celebi to surface.

Before I sold off my N64 collection, I bypassed the region lock on Japanese carts by replacing the back of the cartridges with those from cheap trash sports games:

https://imgur.com/a/zCBx3

Being worth the time is subjective, as pretty much most efforts of event preservation are. I used to think buying GBA distributions were worth the hundreds/thousands of dollars. These days? Hell no. It all depends on your passion and drive to achieve that goal. I'm pretty sure a few people I know here would be more than willing to start occasionally buying Stadium GS carts on eBay. Though the real problem I see at the core of what I was recommending is the very slim chance of finding a real one in the storage. I used to do occasionally this with Japanese Gen I carts and never got lucky. It can happen though, look at the SpaceWorld 97 Mew. However since you're referring to manipulating data from the rental Celebi, personally I wouldn't, but I don't speak for everyone.

@Brittany Most private collectors like this don't care about money, but I suppose it's possible. We have rare trade-worthy material, the question is if he'd accept.

@fabio00 I think @ajxpk tried contacting him a couple years back and got no response. I have ideas that some people on this forum may have the Celebi anyway.

A problem we face either way is they'd probably not want it to go public if we made a deal.

I thought I had seen them on Ahiru in the past, but I don't think I ever figured why there weren't downloads like with the Gen III events. Thanks for the explanation.

That proves my point, they are preserved and are being hoarded away somewhere.

I don't think that really helps us though, because iirc Ahiru doesn't answer emails anymore.

46 minutes ago, InsaneNutter said:

Given that Gen 2 games have a much shorter battery lifespan due to the RTC these would have had to have already been preserved, chances of finding them on a cart in the wild today are probably 0% now.

This is the HUGE problem with preserving Gen II events compared to Gen I. Most carts died many years ago, while quite a good amount of Gen I were still alive until more recent years.

I think the only real chance is buying Japanese "Pocket Monsters Stadium Gold Silver" N64 carts, as it's likely the only place you'll find an original Celebi these days. Regardless, it's still playing "needle in the haystack".

However it wouldn't surprise me if someone is already hoarding one somewhere.

On 12/25/2018 at 12:57 PM, King Impoleon said:

HOW MUCH DID U PAY?!

on Ebay or Private Collector?

Not sure if he wants to share the price he paid, but it was found on a Japanese auction site. We try to keep watch for these things, but it seems only by luck it may have been a one-time thing. YoshiMoshi found it back in March, and I personally haven't seen anything since.

As part of this year's annual Christmas releases to the Pokemon event community, today we present the first Mew ever known to be preserved from the distribution held at SpaceWorld 1997. Not only is this our first Mew from SW97, it is also the oldest/earliest pokemon event we've ever had the privilege of preserving. This Mew was recently discovered through a post on Reddit by u/salinbreezy, in which he shows the Mew on a Japanese Blue cart that he found at a thrift store alongside several other Japanese Pokemon cartridges. I'd like to give special thanks to @suloku and @HaxAras who both emailed me in late September to inform me of it, while suloku asked me to contact salinbreezy myself to counter the time and expense of overseas shipping. Thankfully salinbreezy happily agreed to ship me his cartridge to allow me to dump the savefile. After direct examination, we're positive that this Mew is very likely legitimate.

This Mew was distributed like most events of the era, by a "Mew machine", which as we know distributes identical Mews with TIDs incremented by 1 to the player's party. Bulbapedia provides a bit further information on the event, stating: To be eligible to receive a Mew, players had to submit an application postcard; only 100,000 people were able to receive this Mew. While originally going to be run from November 22 to 23, 1997, the distribution was later extended to the non-exhibition day November 24, 1997.

While this is the ヨッシー (YOSHI) OT variant of the SW97 Mew, one of the other known OT possibilities is ルイージ (LUIGI). This is TID 15219 of the ヨッシー Mews.

Again, I'd like to thank salinbreezy for allowing us to preserve this Mew. It may very well be the only Mew we ever see from SpaceWorld 1997, as the life of the batteries retaining these old savefiles are at their very end. Japanese events from Generation I and II are extremely rare as it is, and to date the only other Japanese events from the era that we've preserved are four マクハリ (Makuhari) Mews from SpaceWorld 1999.

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salinbreezy's image from Reddit:

Dumping salinbreezy's Japanese Blue cart:

SpaceWorld 1997 Mew Promotional Advertisement:

In regards to further event rarities being released this year, there may be more to see tomorrow elsewhere on the internet

151 - ミュウ - 15219.pk1

Blue.sav

@jojo12100

As @ajxpk stated, mistakingly not filtering out perfect hacks is always a potential reality of event preservation. If we are going to be this paranoid, a good amount of the older events we currently have up should come into question. It's hard to say we can 100% verify the lesser documented events. It doesn't make me discount the loads of undocumented PCNYs we have, for example.

We have to consider that when events like this check out legal in comparison to our research data, especially events this rare, they shouldn't be withheld due to the off chance it's a perfect hack. I trust the judgment of Sabresite and ajxpk. Most hackers don't know how to do it right anyway with out some sort of unintentional sign, much less go through that effort for a public hoax.

That's just my two cents anyway, not trying to chew you out or anything. We have a ton of rarities we may never find again, I just don't want to see them held back for lack of perfect documentation.

Odd, I don't remember any PKRuS tagging, but I may be wrong. It can't be all of them that's for sure. In my personal opinion, a PKRuS tag is no big deal and should be put up anyway since they're so rare, even removing the PKRuS first if it's questionable.

I honestly have no idea where the Makuhari Mews came from, I've had them on my PC a long time. Only source I can find is the github, so maybe see what @Sabresite has to say.