Legality of Poké Portal events

[Rillaboomburst]

I was doing some research using PKHeX to compare data from mightiest mark mons from the files posted on the site and from mons caughts during the original event raid period.

 

Two things I noticed and related questions:

1) even mons caught during the event period in different save files (and thus 100% legit) will have different origin seeds and variable weight (height and scale are always 128). Why is that so?

2) in addition to that, mons from the injected files will also have variable height, not only weight. Does that mean they would fail a legality check?

 

Thanks for any insight!

[theSLAYER]

12 hours ago, Rillaboomburst said:

even mons caught during the event period in different save files (and thus 100% legit) will have different origin seeds and variable weight (height and scale are always 128). Why is that so?

Game revisions (software patches) had changed the height/weight between variable and fixed for certain scenarios, so using poke portal events that undergone such changes may cause issues. To be clear, I don’t know “which way around” this situation would be. (Basically did it go from fixed to variable or vice versa?)

As much as poke portal events vs game revision supposed mismatch is a nightmare, and could cause potential issues legality-wise, it’s possible for such things to occur naturally.

Imagine you’ve legally connected to poke portal news during software revision 1.0.0, then never brought your game online nor updated the poke portal news until now. But you’ve also updated your game revision. Thus it is possible to create this kind of “mismatch”. But note this only works in the “forward” direction (you can’t downgrade game revisions, and I do not believe you can legitimately transfer your save to another switch with a lower game revision and the save to load)

12 hours ago, Rillaboomburst said:

 in addition to that, mons from the injected files will also have variable height, not only weight. Does that mean they would fail a legality check?

That part I’m not sure. Keep in mind met date and seed generated isn’t an indication of game revision versions, so as long as their existence is not something that can only be explained using the “backward” direction it should be fine.

[SkyLink98]

4 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Game revisions (software patches) had changed the height/weight between variable and fixed for certain scenarios, so using poke portal events that undergone such changes may cause issues. To be clear, I don’t know “which way around” this situation would be. (Basically did it go from fixed to variable or vice versa?)

As much as poke portal events vs game revision supposed mismatch is a nightmare, and could cause potential issues legality-wise, it’s possible for such things to occur naturally.

Imagine you’ve legally connected to poke portal news during software revision 1.0.0, then never brought your game online nor updated the poke portal news until now. But you’ve also updated your game revision. Thus it is possible to create this kind of “mismatch”. But note this only works in the “forward” direction (you can’t downgrade game revisions, and I do not believe you can legitimately transfer your save to another switch with a lower game revision and the save to load)

That part I’m not sure. Keep in mind met date and seed generated isn’t an indication of game revision versions, so as long as their existence is not something that can only be explained using the “backward” direction it should be fine.

No SV game patch changed the Height/Weight behavior, it was a HOME patch. Connecting to Pokémon HOME (even without actually opening the SV save file) copies the Scale value into the Height field for any Pokémon in the SV save files on the console.

The reason the user thinks new events have variable height is probably just because they haven’t connected to HOME after obtaining the Pokémon

[theSLAYER]

11 hours ago, SkyLink98 said:

16 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Game revisions (software patches) had changed the height/weight between variable and fixed for certain scenarios, so using poke portal events that undergone such changes may cause issues. To be clear, I don’t know “which way around” this situation would be. (Basically did it go from fixed to variable or vice versa?)

As much as poke portal events vs game revision supposed mismatch is a nightmare, and could cause potential issues legality-wise, it’s possible for such things to occur naturally.

Imagine you’ve legally connected to poke portal news during software revision 1.0.0, then never brought your game online nor updated the poke portal news until now. But you’ve also updated your game revision. Thus it is possible to create this kind of “mismatch”. But note this only works in the “forward” direction (you can’t downgrade game revisions, and I do not believe you can legitimately transfer your save to another switch with a lower game revision and the save to load)

That part I’m not sure. Keep in mind met date and seed generated isn’t an indication of game revision versions, so as long as their existence is not something that can only be explained using the “backward” direction it should be fine.

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No SV game patch changed the Height/Weight behavior, it was a HOME patch. 

IIRC correctly it happened with wonder card redemption, and based on their description thought it could have happened to Poke portal news too.

 

11 hours ago, SkyLink98 said:

The reason the user thinks new events have variable height is probably just because they haven’t connected to HOME after obtaining the Pokémon

While that’s a reasonable conclusion, I think they’ve said stuff they’ve caught are stuck at height 128. Were raid captures always at 128 at the first place?

I’m under the impression it was random; I’ve not done Tera raids in a long time, but I recall they could be random, and Anniversary Pika had its scale set to be “highly likely” jumbo.

[SkyLink98]

8 minutes ago, theSLAYER said:

While that’s a reasonable conclusion, I think they’ve said stuff they’ve caught are stuck at height 128. Were raid captures always at 128 at the first place?

Most (possibly all, I should double check) of Mighty Encounters (Unrivaled raid events) have Scale set to 128, both old and current ones. Height and Weight have always been random for raids, except that HOME 3.0.0 introduced the copy height (Scale → Height):
https://github.com/kwsch/PKHeX/pull/3899/commits/c1c36965a662402ea65d5c0aeb9d027e9759474c

Tera Finder also had to be updated to handle this HOME copy height quirk
https://github.com/Manu098vm/Tera-Finder/commit/17286cbbc9df98709857229de3715af5f5d107c0

 

As examples, we can look at the latest Mighty raid, Tyranitar:

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And at the first Mighty raid, Charizard:

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[theSLAYER]

Ah so you’re saying scale was always 128, but they’ve just never noticed it, and HOME copying scale to height showed that it became fixed.

There’s a few that were variable or fixed to a different value right? Like the Pikachu the unrivaled and The unrivaled Hisuian Typhlosion?

[SkyLink98]

14 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

Ah so you’re saying scale was always 128, but they’ve just never noticed it, and HOME copying scale to height showed that it became fixed.

Yeah

14 hours ago, theSLAYER said:

There’s a few that were variable or fixed to a different value right? Like the Pikachu the unrivaled and The unrivaled Hisuian Typhlosion?

Yeah just checked, Pikachu has Scale >= 140, while Typhlosion has it fixed to 128

[theSLAYER]

7 hours ago, SkyLink98 said:

Yeah

Yeah just checked, Pikachu has Scale >= 140, while Typhlosion has it fixed to 128

I’m confused, I think this one is the one that’s locked. I vaguely remember something about “it’s locked to small because Hisuian Typhlosion is small” or something.

Anyhow thanks for the clarification.

 

I believe this is the conclusion then: I’m not sure which revision of SV can communicate with HOME; this means that technically if you’re on a revision history that cannot communicate with HOME, your height shouldn’t be locked to 128, cause there’s no way to have scale -> height legitimately. But one would likely to be on a revision that can communicate with HOME so there’s no issues there

[Rillaboomburst]

On 4/13/2025 at 6:15 PM, SkyLink98 said:

Most (possibly all, I should double check) of Mighty Encounters (Unrivaled raid events) have Scale set to 128, both old and current ones. Height and Weight have always been random for raids, except that HOME 3.0.0 introduced the copy height (Scale → Height):
https://github.com/kwsch/PKHeX/pull/3899/commits/c1c36965a662402ea65d5c0aeb9d027e9759474c

Tera Finder also had to be updated to handle this HOME copy height quirk
https://github.com/Manu098vm/Tera-Finder/commit/17286cbbc9df98709857229de3715af5f5d107c0

 

As examples, we can look at the latest Mighty raid, Tyranitar:

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And at the first Mighty raid, Charizard:

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I think you're right because I hadn't connected the console with the save file with the injected raid mons to home yet, so that might explain why the older mons had their Height fixed and equal to their scale and the new test mons from injected raids had both Height and Weight variable.

 

Judging from the pictures and the explanation, do tera raid events naturally have variable Height and Weight, with the Height value getting changed to the Scale value (usually 128 for mons with the mightiest mark) whenever home is used on the console whereas Weight stays at its random value? Is that it?

 

Also, does that mean then that the variable Height and Weight from injected tera raids won't pose a legality issue?

[SkyLink98]

9 hours ago, Rillaboomburst said:

Judging from the pictures and the explanation, do tera raid events naturally have variable Height and Weight, with the Height value getting changed to the Scale value (usually 128 for mons with the mightiest mark) whenever home is used on the console whereas Weight stays at its random value? Is that it?

Correct.

9 hours ago, Rillaboomburst said:

Also, does that mean then that the variable Height and Weight from injected tera raids won't pose a legality issue?

Also correct. Both random height and copy height (equal to scale) are perfectly legal, for both old and new raid events.

Note that the random height still has to be related to the seed. Editing the Height with random values without changing all the other Pokémon values accordingly would result in an illegal Pokémon.